Autopsy US Election Day Thread - Trump 47th President of the United States

[Chief]

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[Crankyhawk]

What a terrible realignment.

error noted in the tweet where it has trump wins over voter in 2020 over 100k 54 - 52 this seems mathematically impossible.

 

[Zidane98]

In the scenario old mate put down, where you're living in the mountains and paying 60% of your income to the Government, I assume he's absolutely loading up on TVs and UberEats to maximise the GST he's paying.

He'd get a shock if he moved to Scandanvian nations.....


up to 70% tax there. however education (all levels), transport, healthcare is all totally free.

 

[Crankyhawk]

this is the entire problem with politics generally, but America is the extreme case in first world countries.

People need to respect that other people want different things and have different preferences.

If you cut people off you disagree with; you just end up in an echo chamber.

I recall looking at some of the exit polls from nbc (yes I know lefty chamber blah blah)
had Democrat voters having about 2% trust in trump and similar for Republicans with Harris
I can't see how that type of divide can be overcome

 

[10571z]

2004 Kerry - 59M
2008 Obama - 69.5M
2012 Obama - 65.9M
2016 Clinton - 65.9M
2020 Biden - 81.3M
2024 Harris - 66.4M

Very interesting. Am I agreeing that the election was tampered with? No. But it seriously makes you think.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying about ending friendships over this etc. But do you acknowledge that Trump is not a smart, decent, or honest person in any capacity whatsoever?

Is Trump smart? He's definitely not a genius, but he has a quick wit and clearly enough acumen to rise to the top of both the business and political worlds. Importantly in the context of an election - is he smarter than his opponent Kamala Harris, unquestionably.

Is Trump decent? He is not a standard bearer of decency. He is rough around the edges, a bit of a play boy. There are even elements of larrikinism from him if we were to look to the Australian context. There are certainly elements of his personality you would want to stand more upright if you were creating the perfect political leader from clay. But is he decent in a political sense? I think he is. He's fair, he's not vindicative. He could have had Hillary arrested in 2016 - he chose not to. He could have Biden and Hunter arrested now, but I doubt he will. He spoke on Rogan about releasing the JFK confidential information and hesitated out of concern for blowback on those who that information may indicate failed in their duties. Most importantly and as I've said before, I truly believe that he is running for president and is leading the United States out of a passion for the good of the people, not himself. I think that is decent.

Is he honest? I think he can commit to things too quickly. He can be grandiose and that appears as dishonesty in some instances. Again, the question here is is he more honest than his opponent? And on that front I think that is abundantly clear.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Trump’s core constituency of mostly white, working-class voters in rural America showed up in force, winning him the critical battlegrounds of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia. He also picked up Iowa – three days after one of the nation’s most respected polls found him trailing Harris by three points.

Donald Trump in shock return to White House after election win over Kamala Harris

Trump has become the first convicted criminal to win the White House, after broadening his coalition of voters through a campaign of fear.

www.theage.com.au

Why do people keep pushing lies that can easily be fact-checked?

If you look at the demographic voting from ecit polls , the major change was a massive Latino vote increase for trump.
Yes white working class rural voted trump but there was no increase from last election . So don't beva know alll smart arse.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Fair, but there were more white voters this time. Perhaps 5m more than last time. When you are 2/3 of the electorate, your voting pattern matters a lot.

More whit voters for Harris as well so that cancels that out.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

All nonsense mate.
Trump remains unpopular in Aus, even amongst LNP voters.
Silent polls have said that time and again.
Are you saying a majority of Australians supported Albo in 2022 and Trump in 2024?

Aussies don’t like dictators, we like peaceful transfer of power, we don’t like partisan courts stopping policies that are popular.

I assure you that there is a huge number of people around each of us who will be silent and not wish to offend those sprouting pro-Trump views and talking points.

Thanks Sam. I agree with a lot of the above, but just flagging that it can feel very all consuming once you think someone is a dictator or a fascist and I don't believe that view of Trump is shared by the majority.

 

[black is White]

Have you ever read a study before?

That's a very common thing to read, where they put down what they did, the limitations of past research, the limitations of their research.

What it does show is that there simply isn't a migrant crime epidemic. Most crimes are committed by American born citizens.

If you even take a moment to think about it, if you're an illegal immigrant trying to exist in the US are you; taking a low paid cash job and trying to keep your head down and not be noticed so you don't get deported, or, committing crimes where you're likely to be arrested and deported?

Firstly what are the exact numbers because if you have 100million citizens and 10 million illegal citizens your going to have more crime within the 100million. If you've entered a new country illegally there isn't many job opportunities for you as businesses can get in trouble for hiring you so naturally they would resort to illegal activities to make ends meet. Another thing I might add is if you've committed a crime in a new country you flee that country and it's extremely difficult to find them and prosecute them so those numbers won't be recorded and that's something that does happen.

I understand how studies work and there's room for error but that doesn't diminish the fact that the study says it mostly reflects on law enforcement activities rather than actual offending rates when your whole argument is based on the rates. Kinda counter intuitive don't you think?

I wish the world worked the way you perceive it and we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya but it doesn't necessarily work that way. A lot of 3rd World counties don't really have a thing like police checks and records and I have spoken to immigrants who fear this fact and that the reason why they fled their counties is finding them in their new home. There's a reason why a lot of Latinos, Cubans Venezuelans Philipinos and more share this opinion. I don't dislike immigrants they helped made American what it is as they did Australia we wouldn't have the luxuries in life we have today without them but is not as straight forward as you want to believe it to be.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

2004 Kerry - 59M
2008 Obama - 69.5M
2012 Obama - 65.9M
2016 Clinton - 65.9M
2020 Biden - 81.3M
2024 Harris - 66.4M

Very interesting. Am I agreeing that the election was tampered with? No. But it seriously makes you think.

 

[Todman]

At least you accept inflation happened under Trump?

Inflation got to 1.9% and then Biden got in and when on a massive spending spree.

Janet Yellen said it was only transitional.

 

[2 eazy]

I was right that once again polls underestimated Trump third time running. Harris needed 5 point lead in polls to win

 

[stefcep]

If you look at the demographic voting from ecit polls , the major change was a massive Latino vote increase for trump.
Yes white working class rural voted trump but there was no increase from last election . So don't beva know alll smart arse.

The article clearly says it was the whites in the key swing States that won it for him. Yes the black and latino votes increased too, showing that the Republicans enjoy broad support across racial groups.

 

[Chief]

Someone conceding an election, how novel.

I voted for more riots!

 

[T2B_]

If you are "cutting off any friends" over an election on the other side of the planet, rest assured you are of no loss to that person whatsoever. No need to feel high and mighty, you're doing them a favour

I assume, or hope, not many people actually do that.

You'd have to be a pretty sad individual, maybe terminally online or something, and lacking perspective to do it. People, real people, are more than just politics.

 

[ElectricG]

Is Trump smart? He's definitely not a genius, but he has a quick wit and clearly enough acumen to rise to the top of both the business and political worlds. Importantly in the context of an election - is he smarter than his opponent Kamala Harris, unquestionably.

Is Trump decent? He is not a standard bearer of decency. He is rough around the edges, a bit of a play boy. There are even elements of larrikinism from him if we were to look to the Australian context. There are certainly elements of his personality you would want to stand more upright if you were creating the perfect political leader from clay. But is he decent in a political sense? I think he is. He's fair, he's not vindicative. He could have had Hillary arrested in 2016 - he chose not to. He could have Biden and Hunter arrested now, but I doubt he will. He spoke on Rogan about releasing the JFK confidential information and hesitated out of concern for blowback on those who that information may indicate failed in their duties. Most importantly and as I've said before, I truly believe that he is running for president and is leading the United States out of a passion for the good of the people, not himself. I think that is decent.

Is he honest? I think he can commit to things too quickly. He can be grandiose and that appears as dishonesty in some instances. Again, the question here is is he more honest than his opponent? And on that front I think that is abundantly clear.

I feel like his stupidity and general awfulness is just a fact that people both pro and anti have just gotten bored of. He's everything Bush Jr was accused of being and more. With all the hideous things in his wake (Trump university, the short paying of contractors or not paying them at all, playing footsies under the table with the US's oldest enemies, etc) I don't accept the notion that he will become an upstanding individual just for having set foot in the oval office for a second time.

I listened to the Rogan interview over the last couple of days and I just don't understand it. He is clearly a hyperfixed and disturbed man. He is still in such denial about having lost 2020, and he only seems to be able to articulate his thoughts as far as:
"the mail votes. nobody else does it. the democrats, they like it. you know why? because they like to cheat. because they want to cheat. France! France, you know they stopped it. They stopped it to stop cheating. But I've said it before, that's what they want, they want to cheat. They want to cheat and steal the election" ad nauseum for a bloody hour or so. Even when Joe tried to steer the conversation towards UFOs (lol) it took a few goes for trump to snap out of it.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Think you may have me confused with someone else, we haven't discussed Harris' policies before.

Tax plan? Bigger tax benefits for families offset by raising of corporate taxes
Child tax credit? Bigger than the one Vance has been pitching
Housing scheme? Plan for 3 million affordable new homes and tax breaks for builders doing homes for first-time buyers
First home buyer assistance? Up to $25,000 in down-payment assistance for people who have paid their rent on time for 2 years
Healthcare? Announced last month agreements with drug manufacturers for lower prices for 10 common drugs, resulting in savings for patients of 38% to 79%

By all means, show me anything even approaching that from Trump's 'policy'.

Hmm maybe so.

I wrote up a big piece elsewhere but gotta find the damn thing

 

[black is White]

2004 Kerry - 59M
2008 Obama - 69.5M
2012 Obama - 65.9M
2016 Clinton - 65.9M
2020 Biden - 81.3M
2024 Harris - 66.4M

Very interesting. Am I agreeing that the election was tampered with? No. But it seriously makes you think.

A little hard to tamper 15 million votes unnoticed

 

[FlowersByIrene]

In the scenario old mate put down, where you're living in the mountains and paying 60% of your income to the Government, I assume he's absolutely loading up on TVs and UberEats to maximise the GST he's paying.

I was referring to paying 60% in income tax, assuming that person has a job and earns an income (say they are a remote consultant). You should read things a bit more carefully before you post.

 

[Chief]

error noted in the tweet where it has trump wins over voter in 2020 over 100k 54 - 52 this seems mathematically impossible.

Typo?

 

[Balls In]

2020
81 million voted for Biden
74 million voted for Trump

2024
71 million for Trump
67 million for Harris

14 million people chose not to vote and the Democrats need to work out why they failed to engage those people to vote

Even the dead wouldn't vote for her.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Being 22 minutes late to your own concession speech you should have made 12 hours ago is all types of cringe.

you dont think that just maybe you hold the two candidates to slighly different standards? just a little?

 

[spinynorman]

error noted in the tweet where it has trump wins over voter in 2020 over 100k 54 - 52 this seems mathematically impossible.

He gives a correction in the replies that it’s a typo - it’s 54-42.

 

[H00t]

• Taxation system needs a massive overhaul and is 100% broken to the core

The US built itself out of the Great Depression on the back of a super high tax rate.

Taxes work great. The problem is they get so incredibly neutered due to countries being bought and paid for by corporations and the rich.

Getting rid of taxes is only going to make the problem so much worse.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I feel like his stupidity and general awfulness is just a fact that people both pro and anti have just gotten bored of. He's everything Bush Jr was accused of being and more. With all the hideous things in his wake (Trump university, the short paying of contractors or not paying them at all, playing footsies under the table with the US's oldest enemies, etc) I don't accept the notion that he will become an upstanding individual just for having set foot in the oval office for a second time.

I listened to the Rogan interview over the last couple of days and I just don't understand it. He is clearly a hyperfixed and disturbed man. He is still in such denial about having lost 2020, and he only seems to be able to articulate his thoughts as far as:
"the mail votes. nobody else does it. the democrats, they like it. you know why? because they like to cheat. because they want to cheat. France! France, you know they stopped it. They stopped it to stop cheating. But I've said it before, that's what they want, they want to cheat. They want to cheat and steal the election" ad nauseum for a bloody hour or so. Even when Joe tried to steer the conversation towards UFOs (lol) it took a few goes for trump to snap out of it.

Fair enough. I think now the thing to focus on is his results. Let's just see what he does as president in his second term.