Autopsy US Election Day Thread - Trump 47th President of the United States

[Chief]

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[Tadpole]

We're going to cop it too. If it was just the Americans I couldn't care less but we'll all pay for this dickhead's dad telling him how disappointed in him he is.

Hopefully we won’t feel more than a ripple here, on the other side of the world. I really feel for those actually living there though. They’re going to get hit with the full force of the tsunami.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This post is legitimately too dumb to be racist.

Thats the joke

 

[Gethelred]

Thats the joke

... well, I suppose I'm laughing so it worked, well done.

 

[faible]

Firstly what are the exact numbers because if you have 100million citizens and 10 million illegal citizens your going to have more crime within the 100million. If you've entered a new country illegally there isn't many job opportunities for you as businesses can get in trouble for hiring you so naturally they would resort to illegal activities to make ends meet. Another thing I might add is if you've committed a crime in a new country you flee that country and it's extremely difficult to find them and prosecute them so those numbers won't be recorded and that's something that does happen.

I understand how studies work and there's room for error but that doesn't diminish the fact that the study says it mostly reflects on law enforcement activities rather than actual offending rates when your whole argument is based on the rates. Kinda counter intuitive don't you think?

I wish the world worked the way you perceive it and we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya but it doesn't necessarily work that way. A lot of 3rd World counties don't really have a thing like police checks and records and I have spoken to immigrants who fear this fact and that the reason why they fled their counties is finding them in their new home. There's a reason why a lot of Latinos, Cubans Venezuelans Philipinos and more share this opinion. I don't dislike immigrants they helped made American what it is as they did Australia we wouldn't have the luxuries in life we have today without them but is not as straight forward as you want to believe it to be.

The exact numbers are in the study. They're rates based on population size, not just total. So having more people is irrelevant in this case.

Many, many businesses have low-paid cash employees. Didn't Trump employee a heap of them as maids or some such?

As for your last sentence, you're being ridiculous and making shit up.

 

[Gethelred]

'Did Joe Biden Drop Out' Google Searches Spike on Election Night, Suggesting Many Americans Had No Idea He Wasn't Running

The spike began around 6 a.m. on Election Day, and continued to rise over the course of the day until reaching its peak at midnight Wednesday.

www.latintimes.com

... legit, you couldn't script this.

How in utter **** is that nation the dominant superpower globally?

 

[Episode IV]

This isn't a good reason to keep religion in Government or the Legal System today. Since Judeo-Christian principles are also largely just a rip-off of other religions that came before them anyway.

Oh really.
Particularly in the case of Judaism (Christianity being only one of several religions which developed from Judaism, part of the Abrahamic group of religions), which religions did they rip off?

The main thrust of this little side-conversation, though, seems to be that Australia was or was not founded on Christian religious principles, and furthermore whether or not Christianity as a religion has any place in government.

That Australia's laws, principles and social morality were founded as a Christian nation, and according to the principles of Christianity is a given. The ten commandments form the basis of just about every law there is. Granted, we've gotten a little slack on a few of them over time, but the basics remain.

These days, it's mostly ceremonial, if we're looking at the Lord's Prayer in Parliament by way of example. Sort of like giving a welcome to country before a game of footy. If you're going to be ideologically consistent, then viewing the Lord's prayer being said before a Parliamentary sitting could be viewed in exactly the same way as you'd view the aforementioned welcome to country - it's either something you sit through, or take seriously, it's up to you; but the tradition symbolises an acknowledgement of values and their origins. Not a specific religious adherence or belief in God.

Our nation was also founded as a British slave colony, sometimes things change.

Religion has no place in Government here. Any religion. There shouldn't be any prayers in Parliament.

... what? Australia was founded as a slave colony?
You might have meant we were slaves to Britain, which is untrue and hyperbolic, or you might have meant we were a slave-owning colony, which is also (mostly) untrue. Either way... what?

Side note - the religious institutions in Britain were instrumental in the social climate of the early 19th century, calling for change which lead to Britain outlawing slavery. Catholics, Protestants, you name the religion - it was one of those times in history in Britain where all the religious groups agreed with each other on an issue and presented a more or less united front.

Most illegal immigrants don't commit crimes. There's actual studies on this. More crimes are committed by American citizens.

Actual studies being the ones that aren't fake studies, I presume. Often we're presented with graphs and charts someone plucked from the internet which haven't been checked for veracity at all.
You haven't given us anything to look at, which isn't very helpful.

Do you think it might be possible that more crimes are committed by American citizens than illegal migrants because... there are more American citizens than illegal migrants?
Unless you meant on a per-capita basis, which again I'd be quite interested in looking at.

 

[Bluelegs]

Weirdly I think him being president before made the talk of his extremism fall flat.

Jan 6 has been largely sanewashed and people think the world didn’t end under his presidency before so what is different now?

Now we know he’s got all loyalists in positions he did before and they are way more organised than in 2017 when he didn’t even expect to win, but the average person doesn’t know or care about that.

It doesn't help when all the democrats who said he was a threat to the future of democracy have started the day saying they called him to congratulate him and are ready to help him move in to the white house.

 

[carltonchelsea]

We can't all afford to follow President Xi around the world so we can avoid the homeless

Xi likes his homeless like he likes his women, non existent.
My gay mates all reckon he likes men.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Weirdly I think him being president before made the talk of his extremism fall flat.

Jan 6 has been largely sanewashed and people think the world didn’t end under his presidency before so what is different now?

Now we know he’s got all loyalists in positions he did before and they are way more organised than in 2017 when he didn’t even expect to win, but the average person doesn’t know or care about that.

This being the main policy push is why they lost you will find

 

[faible]

I was referring to paying 60% in income tax

stefcep don't want to say told you so, but...

Sure. Unlikely though. Doubt that poster was making such an informed and nuanced statement though based on their posting history.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Oh really.
Particularly in the case of Judaism (Christianity being only one of several religions which developed from Judaism, part of the Abrahamic group of religions), which religions did they rip off?

The main thrust of this little side-conversation, though, seems to be that Australia was or was not founded on Christian religious principles, and furthermore whether or not Christianity as a religion has any place in government.

That Australia's laws, principles and social morality were founded as a Christian nation, and according to the principles of Christianity is a given. The ten commandments form the basis of just about every law there is. Granted, we've gotten a little slack on a few of them over time, but the basics remain.

These days, it's mostly ceremonial, if we're looking at the Lord's Prayer in Parliament by way of example. Sort of like giving a welcome to country before a game of footy. If you're going to be ideologically consistent, then viewing the Lord's prayer being said before a Parliamentary sitting could be viewed in exactly the same way as you'd view the aforementioned welcome to country - it's either something you sit through, or take seriously, it's up to you; but the tradition symbolises an acknowledgement of values and their origins. Not a specific religious adherence or belief in God.


... what? Australia was founded as a slave colony?
You might have meant we were slaves to Britain, which is untrue and hyperbolic, or you might have meant we were a slave-owning colony, which is also (mostly) untrue. Either way... what?

Side note - the religious institutions in Britain were instrumental in the social climate of the early 19th century, calling for change which lead to Britain outlawing slavery. Catholics, Protestants, you name the religion - it was one of those times in history in Britain where all the religious groups agreed with each other on an issue and presented a more or less united front.


Actual studies being the ones that aren't fake studies, I presume. Often we're presented with graphs and charts someone plucked from the internet which haven't been checked for veracity at all.
You haven't given us anything to look at, which isn't very helpful.

Do you think it might be possible that more crimes are committed by American citizens than illegal migrants because... there are more American citizens than illegal migrants?
Unless you meant on a per-capita basis, which again I'd be quite interested in looking at.

We can see why Christians voted for trump, the entire premise of their cult is that an old man r*ped a child!

 

[Chief]

... legit, you couldn't script this.

How in utter **** is that nation the dominant superpower globally?

My new "I don't care about Americans" attitude did not last...

I am guessing it was in response to misinformation like "Biden was kicked out undemocratically" and the like? Did they ramp up? I know we had a few kooks in here still ranting about it being undemocratic.

 

[faible]

These days, it's mostly ceremonial, if we're looking at the Lord's Prayer in Parliament by way of example. Sort of like giving a welcome to country before a game of footy. If you're going to be ideologically consistent, then viewing the Lord's prayer being said before a Parliamentary sitting could be viewed in exactly the same way as you'd view the aforementioned welcome to country - it's either something you sit through, or take seriously, it's up to you; but the tradition symbolises an acknowledgement of values and their origins. Not a specific religious adherence or belief in God.

The Welcome to Country is actually relevant to the extent we're actually on land that was forcibly taken from others and we should at least recognise that one of the oldest existing cultures on the planet existed, and still exists, here. Whether one thinks it's overdone or not, there's at least some level of relevance to recognising that history.

The Lord's Prayer has no relevance whatsoever.

... what? Australia was founded as a slave colony?

Apologies, prisoner colony.

You haven't given us anything to look at, which isn't very helpful.

I linked to an actual study to support exactly what I said.

 

[King Patty]

Tend to agree with that assessment and it's likely why Albo will only get one term.

its rare in Australia for governments to be thrown out after only 1 term.
At worst Albo wins minority govt with Greens, or Teals...

If Albo reduced migration and got the housing situation under control, think most people would be happy enough to keep him in.

His problems are all of his doing.
Interest rates haven't come back due to too much heat still in economy and its not stimulated from the private sector it is basically all public spending, which he has control over.
Brininging in close to 1 million students in a year on a population of 26 million, doesn;t take Einstein to work out that thius will not help the current housing shortage and sky high rents in relation to disposable income.

 

[Taylor]

We can see why Christians voted for trump, the entire premise of their cult is that an old man r*ped a child!

I don't think Christ died a virgin, but you're describing the youngest of the three religions there.

 

[Blue1980]

FMD there's some morning after experts spreading manure today. To be expected I guess

Jon Stewart had a good segment saying that each party when the lose has a post mortem, and usually those are wide of the mark of what happens next.

I think the basic thing is people don’t follow day to day politics and don’t see things ideologically.

There are a lot of people out there who don’t even know what the terms left and right wing even mean and they make up a large amount of people who vote here in Australia and also in America.

Now I could be totally wrong but I think it’s proven here and also overseas when you get candidates who can lose in a landslide then win in a landslide within 1-2 election cycles that most people aren’t very ideology based and just look at or hear a few things they like from a candidate and go with them.

Also you get the issue of when a party has been in power a lot, people just want to change to give the other party a go.

 

[Sir_Loin]

We can see why Christians voted for trump, the entire premise of their cult is that an old man r*ped a child!

Someone should do a study on latent homosexuality and US elections

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

People in Australia are going to have to grapple with these sorts of fundamental questions soon enough. People can't pay rent, let alone buy a house, and this creates the sorts of divisions and tensions which people like Trump thrive upon.

An entity like Labor needs to go back to first principles. What is government for? How does this party want to use the power of government? To what end?

Once you've done that, do the work of aligning your values with the people whose vote you're after.

I won't mock you for your Greenery. Not today.

Australia needs to get ourselves off the housing as an investment.

But to do that will require a huge shift in our economy.

 

[Blue1980]

It doesn't help when all the democrats who said he was a threat to the future of democracy have started the day saying they called him to congratulate him and are ready to help him move in to the white house.

They rate civility above all else.

 

[Taylor]

I know we had a few kooks in here still ranting about it being undemocratic.

I can't think of a better way to disenfranchise the ten to fifteen million democrat voters who didn't vote this election than to have the candidate they voted for in the primary pull out after it and have another installed for them.

Couple that with how "sharp as a tac" Biden was in the words of the media prior to his performance in that debate with how quickly they dropped him to celebrate Harris as the great rescue.

I can't say I'm surprised a lot of D voters didn't feel like the party was representing them this year.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

... legit, you couldn't script this.

How in utter **** is that nation the dominant superpower globally?

Did't have their country destroyed during ww2, good resources and logistics post ww2.

 

[Taylor]

They rate civility above all else.

It makes it look even more like theater than it already was.

 

[Blue1980]

My new "I don't care about Americans" attitude did not last...

I am guessing it was in response to misinformation like "Biden was kicked out undemocratically" and the like? Did they ramp up? I know we had a few kooks in here still ranting about it being undemocratic.

But not being aware of any of it until the day of the election?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Jon Stewart had a good segment saying that each party when the lose has a post mortem, and usually those are wide of the mark of what happens next.

I think the basic thing is people don’t follow day to day politics and don’t see things ideologically.

There are a lot of people out there who don’t even know what the terms left and right wing even mean and they make up a large amount of people who vote here in Australia and also in America.

Now I could be totally wrong but I think it’s proven here and also overseas when you get candidates who can lose in a landslide then win in a landslide within 1-2 election cycles that most people aren’t very ideology based and just look at or hear a few things they like from a candidate and go with them.

Also you get the issue of when a party has been in power a lot, people just want to change to give the other party a go.

The same guy who went on racist tangents for 10 minutes straight is the guy you wanna quote?

Far out. His monologue was all thats wrong with the world. Believing you can throw flat out racist insults at people because they disagree with you aint no way to live

Mod Edit: This claim has been deemed misinformative.

 

[Episode IV]

Yeah, it's great that we now know the date that the Russia-Ukraine war will end. It's 21st January 2025, the day after Trump's Inauguration, because he has repeatedly said he'll finish it in one day.

I think it's far more important that we wait to see if he gives it a shot, than waiting to see if he does it in a day.

If it takes a few weeks rather than a day, does it really matter?