NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

[Kurve]

Here is US Politics Pt 2

The 2024 US presidential election is on Tuesday, 5 November 2024. The winner will serve a term of four years in the White House, starting in January 2025.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Today I learnt everyone here is still stuck on the first stage of grief

Denial

 

[CM86]

In what sense. I see you moving towards agreeing with EasternTiger. After all Trump is a great bloke who won’t do anything nefarious during his presidency. He won’t weaponise the court system or deport anyone. What a nice guy…

I mean given we all agree Trump is a ripping bloke we can close this thread of now

I'll try to explain how your posts are coming across to us.
So maybe you can help us better understand your position.

B: That person with a knife is trying to kill me.​

G: Yes, he's going to shoot you.​

B: No, he won't shoot me as he doesn't have a gun.​

G: Oh, so you think he's a great guy that isn't trying to kill you then.​

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I'll try to explain how your posts are coming across to us.
So maybe you can help us better understand your position.

B: That person with a knife is trying to kill me.​

G: Yes, he's going to shoot you.​

B: No, he won't shoot me as he doesn't have a gun.​

G: Oh, so you think he's a great guy that isn't trying to kill you then.​

Yes that’s correct except he does have a gun. He has COMPLETE control. You all seem a bit unprepared for what controlling both houses actually means.

You are all of the opinion he will just repeat what he did last time when he wasn’t 100 percent effective in his goals. Ah nope. 8 years ago he didn’t walk in having the gun. This time he does. He won’t fail his policies cos it’s too hard… or cos he likes golf… as if this is some weird game of football where the coach is required to get on the field and do all the work as opposed to the reality whereby because he has complete control he doesn’t have to work, he doesn’t have to negotiate. Just tell the 22 players the game plan then sit and watch, preferably at a golf course

This time around it’s different. He has more power this time… His biggest failure 4 years ago was to not rig the electorate to their own advantage. He also was too nice according to well himself. This time around he will probably realise those mistakes and fix them. It started already. You got JD Vance whose much more anti left and tougher then Pence, you got Vivek/Elon to also help push the agenda stronger then doing it as 1 man. You got a much more prepared group this time around

If you thought it was bad 4 years ago… that was absolutely nothing. He has a gun and he will shoot. Believing otherwise is wishful thinking

 

[CM86]

Yes that’s correct except he does have a gun. He has COMPLETE control. You all seem a bit unprepared for what controlling both houses actually means.

You are all of the opinion he will just repeat what he did last time when he wasn’t 100 percent effective in his goals. Ah nope. 8 years ago he didn’t walk in having the gun. This time he does. He won’t fail his policies cos it’s too hard… or cos he likes golf… as if this is some weird game of football where the coach is required to get on the field and do all the work as opposed to the reality whereby because he has complete control he doesn’t have to work, he doesn’t have to negotiate. Just tell the 22 players the game plan then sit and watch, preferably at a golf course

This time around it’s different. He has more power this time… His biggest failure 4 years ago was to not rig the electorate to their own advantage. He also was too nice according to well himself. This time around he will probably realise those mistakes and fix them.

I think your reply completely validated my hypothetical analogy.


Can you tell me what you think my outlook of Trumps second term in office is?


Trump does have more power this time around. A lot of it coming from his actions after his first term.


Also, you need to understand that Trump has had control of both the house and Senate during his first term.
Don't take this as me saying he won't achieve any of the dangerous things I believe he is aiming for.
I'm just letting you know for future reference, that this won't be the first time of his Presidency where he has control of the Legislative branch of Government.

 

[CM86]

Why is one side of Trump supporters in this thread laughing at how stupid people like I am, for believing Trump is a danger to US democracy.

While the other side of Trump supporters are laughing at how stupid people like I am, for NOT believing that Trump is a danger to US democracy?


But both sides somehow agree with each other.

Is it absurd for me to think Trump will do almost anything to maintain power?
OR
Is it absurd for me NOT to think Trump will do almost anything to maintain power?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Why is one side of Trump supporters in this thread laughing at how stupid people like I am, for believing Trump is a danger to US democracy.

While the other side of Trump supporters are laughing at how stupid people like I am, for NOT believing that Trump is a danger to US democracy?


But both sides somehow agree with each other.

Is it absurd for me to think Trump will do almost anything to maintain power?
OR
Is it absurd for me NOT to think Trump will do almost anything to maintain power?

Because people can have different opinions to each other as opposed to ge part of one giant group think...

We agree on the core parts though . No more net zero, no more war, no more woke garbage.

The rest we can and do think differently on . It's a trait of independent thought

 

[CM86]

Because people can have different opinions to each other as opposed to ge part of one giant group think...

We agree on the core parts though . No more net zero, no more war, no more woke garbage.

The rest we can and do think differently on . It's a trait of independent thought

A. Is it absurd for me to think Trump will do almost anything to maintain power?
OR
B. Is it absurd for me NOT to think Trump will do almost anything to maintain power?

So A or B in your opinion?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I think your reply completely validated my hypothetical analogy.


Can you tell me what you think my outlook of Trumps second term in office is?


Trump does have more power this time around. A lot of it coming from his actions after his first term.


Also, you need to understand that Trump has had control of both the house and Senate during his first term.
Don't take this as me saying he won't achieve any of the dangerous things I believe he is aiming for.
I'm just letting you know for future reference, that this won't be the first time of his Presidency where he has control of the Legislative branch of Government.

For 2 years he did... and he bottled it... according to him too (he admitted it on the Joe Rogan show he didnt do as well as he wanted to.

Can you answer the same question if I do? Quite regularly people who will ask that but never state their own thoughts cos they dont wanna get caught out 4 years later . A rough view is

• A 4 year campaign of deporting illegal migrants with a view of replacing them with visa workers.
• End the Russia/Ukraine war to prevent any more spending on that region. Push military expenditure away from Europe/Middle East to more home grown solutions. Build your own arsenal up + equip with better technology and defense systems
• Remove woke crap like tampons in mens bathrooms. testosterone filled people in women sports and so forth
• Gut the agencies that let him down in FBI/CIA/DOJ/DOH and replace with Republican leaning people who have loyalty to his presidency
• Rigging the electorate by locking down swing states to be Republican leaning. Do it successfully this time however
• Weaponizing the court system against his opponents
• Organise better and fairer trade deals for American companies who supported him at the expense of the companies that didnt
• End net zero by prioritizing home built energy sources over Chinese built solutions. Do this one step further by making net zero less cost effective worldwide in order to prevent it from moving around the globe and handing power over energy to China
• Tackle drug use and homelessness across America. Both are burdens on the economy and himself.

Foremost will be the 3 things i care about. End the wars, end net zero, end woke crap. The second one is most impportant. Once he ends net zero and gets each country to rely on themselves and themselves only for energy source, Australia will be much better for it.

Now your turn.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So A or B in your opinion?

You believe he stormed the capital to overthrow the govenment yeah? So how isnt it B? How is storming the capital not a almost anything scenario ?

My honest view is you WANT it to be A but know it will be B. Im saying I dont care which one it is, but it will be B . He will do literally anything to remain in power... but not by him having a third term (like that is relevant?) . He will do it via puppet JD Vance.

 

[CM86]

My honest view is you WANT it to be A but know it will be B.

Sure. And shouldn't that be basically everyone's position?

Do you think the people who claim that Trump didn't try to foment an insurrection and prevent the peaceful transfer of power, know they are lying?

Or do you think some people genuinely believe Trump is democratic?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Sure. And shouldn't that be basically everyone's position?

Do you think the people who claim that Trump didn't try to foment an insurrection and prevent the peaceful transfer of power, know they are lying?

Or do you think some people genuinely believe Trump is democratic?

He didnt try to create a insurrection in my eyes. That was just a overreaction by people who wanted to use the event to ban him from politics. I dont really buy that whole story but it will still be B. I dont think both concepts are 100% related is all

I think the issue last tine is it needed to be B and it wasnt. He didnt rig the electorate out of sheer arrogance and it cost him big time. He isnt going to make that same mistake again im afraid

 

[CM86]

For 2 years he did... and he bottled it... according to him too (he admitted it on the Joe Rogan show he didnt do as well as he wanted to.

Can you answer the same question if I do? Quite regularly people who will ask that but never state their own thoughts cos they dont wanna get caught out 4 years later . A rough view is

• A 4 year campaign of deporting illegal migrants with a view of replacing them with visa workers.
• End the Russia/Ukraine war to prevent any more spending on that region. Push military expenditure away from Europe/Middle East to more home grown solutions. Build your own arsenal up + equip with better technology and defense systems
• Remove woke crap like tampons in mens bathrooms. testosterone filled people in women sports and so forth
• Gut the agencies that let him down in FBI/CIA/DOJ/DOH and replace with Republican leaning people who have loyalty to his presidency
• Rigging the electorate by locking down swing states to be Republican leaning. Do it successfully this time however
• Weaponizing the court system against his opponents
• Organise better and fairer trade deals for American companies who supported him at the expense of the companies that didnt
• End net zero by prioritizing home built energy sources over Chinese built solutions. Do this one step further by making net zero less cost effective worldwide in order to prevent it from moving around the globe and handing power over energy to China
• Tackle drug use and homelessness across America. Both are burdens on the economy and himself.

Foremost will be the 3 things i care about. End the wars, end net zero, end woke crap. The second one is most impportant. Once he ends net zero and gets each country to rely on themselves and themselves only for energy source, Australia will be much better for it.

Now your turn.

You don't read my posts. That wasn't my question.


I believe Trump will attempt to destroy every single person and entity that tried to hold him to account for his past actions and crimes.

I believe he will reimplement Schedule F which will remove the last remaining safeguards that stand in the way of him being a democratic president, to an autocratic pseudo dictator.

He will continue to stoke racial hatred and division.
He will expand the attack on transgenderism to homosexuality and LGBTQ+ in general.
He will attack and remove funding/support for humanitarian aid.
He will expand the US support for Israel to become an ethno-state. As well as more aggressive actions and military targeting in places like Syria and Iraq.
He will take some action on 'illegal immigrants'. But he will be restricted, due to the US economy requiring these people in farm and produce.
He will help to create an increase in Christian Nationalism. I don't know how openly he will support a rise in fascism.

All of these things, he will also be fomenting violence towards, as he will blame them for the reasons that he is not helping the working class in any of the areas they believed he would.
He will reimplement what was referred to as the "Trump Transit Ban". Meaning that all seeking asylum will be rejected without having their case heard.

He will reduce or end support and funding for Ukraine. And will engage with Putin as an ally.
He will attack NATO and the UN with 'sanctions' and with statements.

One of the biggest issues with the US border crisis is the processing of claims. That might cease because Trump will attempt to prevent all claims of asylum.

He will change the education, health and other public support systems to promote Christian nationalist positions and policy.
Not so much that he cares, but it's what the people with power want from him.
He will attempt to put massive tariffs on other countries, but I believe he will be talked out of it.
Or after seeing the almost instant damage done to the US, he will remove them.

 

[CM86]

I think the issue last tine is it needed to be B and it wasnt. He didnt rig the electorate out of sheer arrogance and it cost him big time. He isnt going to make that same mistake again im afraid

No, he attempted to. And was stopped by a few safeguards of independence.

That's why he will remove them completely this time with Schedule F.

Part of the court proceedings were because of that. That's what happened with Chesebro and Eastman with the Fake Electors strategy.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You don't read my posts. That wasn't my question.


I believe Trump will attempt to destroy every single person and entity that tried to hold him to account for his past actions and crimes.

I believe he will reimplement Schedule F which will remove the last remaining safeguards that stand in the way of him being a democratic president, to an autocratic pseudo dictator.

He will continue to stoke racial hatred and division.
He will expand the attack on transgenderism to homosexuality and LGBTQ+ in general.
He will attack and remove funding/support for humanitarian aid.
He will expand the US support for Israel to become an ethno-state. As well as more aggressive actions and military targeting in places like Syria and Iraq.
He will take some action on 'illegal immigrants'. But he will be restricted, due to the US economy requiring these people in farm and produce.
He will help to create an increase in Christian Nationalism. I don't know how openly he will support a rise in fascism.

All of these things, he will also be fomenting violence towards, as he will blame them for the reasons that he is not helping the working class in any of the areas they believed he would.
He will reimplement what was referred to as the "Trump Transit Ban". Meaning that all seeking asylum will be rejected without having their case heard.

He will reduce or end support and funding for Ukraine. And will engage with Putin as an ally.
He will attack NATO and the UN with 'sanctions' and with statements.

One of the biggest issues with the US border crisis is the processing of claims. That might cease because Trump will attempt to prevent all claims of asylum.

He will change the education, health and other public support systems to promote Christian nationalist positions and policy.
Not so much that he cares, but it's what the people with power want from him.
He will attempt to put massive tariffs on other countries, but I believe he will be talked out of it.
Or after seeing the almost instant damage done to the US, he will remove them.

I read it but im not speaking on your behalf mate. You can speak for yourself just like I did

In any case this is a bizarre take.

NONE and I mean NONE of that is related to the people he has surrounded himself with. What part of the above is Elon Musk, his biggest donor seeking to do? You havnt addressed this aspect at all. Ill argue the below with

• He wont bother with that. Stoking hatred and division is fundamentally pointless. He has complete power so whats the aim. All he has to do is take the much much much easier path. Rigging the electorate
• He will remove DEI so agree
• No chance. Humanitarian aid is a requirement of big government. He will just re direct it to countries he wants as allies. Yemen as a example will be very well off now Trumps back. He will fake out that he will remove it but he wont. He will just position it to his adavantage... just like he did last time
• He doesnt give a shit about Israel or the Middle East.
• You are 100% ignoring the visa issue to invent a result where illegal migrants stay... its not happening. Putting a Indian on a plane to work for Elon Musk is not the tough journey you are hoping it is
• Agree on Christian approach but dont think it will be as hardcore as you are suggesting. I also dont think its a bad thing? What is wrong with Christians exactly that you are afraid of it

He wasnt talked out of putting tariffs in place 4 years ago..... why would he be now? Feels a bit revisionary and hopeful. Tariffs are coming in. Best to prepare

 

[CM86]

I read it but im not speaking on your behalf mate. You can speak for yourself just like I did

You keep saying what my and Bourbons positions are.

Even when it's pointed out to you that it's the opposite of your claims of us.



I didn't ask you to speak for me. I asked you what you thought my position was. Because you keep making claims in reference to what you seem to think it is.

 

[CM86]

I read it but im not speaking on your behalf mate. You can speak for yourself just like I did

In any case this is a bizarre take.

NONE and I mean NONE of that is related to the people he has surrounded himself with. What part of the above is Elon Musk, his biggest donor seeking to do? You havnt addressed this aspect at all. Ill argue the below with

• He wont bother with that. Stoking hatred and division is fundamentally pointless. He has complete power so whats the aim. All he has to do is take the much much much easier path. Rigging the electorate
• He will remove DEI so agree
• No chance. Humanitarian aid is a requirement of big government. He will just re direct it to countries he wants as allies. Yemen as a example will be very well off now Trumps back. He will fake out that he will remove it but he wont. He will just position it to his adavantage... just like he did last time
• He doesnt give a shit about Israel or the Middle East.
• You are 100% ignoring the visa issue to invent a result where illegal migrants stay... its not happening. Putting a Indian on a plane to work for Elon Musk is not the tough journey you are hoping it is
• Agree on Christian approach but dont think it will be as hardcore as you are suggesting. I also dont think its a bad thing? What is wrong with Christians exactly that you are afraid of it

He wasnt talked out of putting tariffs in place 4 years ago..... why would he be now? Feels a bit revisionary and hopeful. Tariffs are coming in. Best to prepare

Can you please like, number or individual quote the bits you're arguing against?

I can't keep doing all the leg work, especially if you don't read what I post anyway.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You keep saying what my and Bourbons positions are.

Even when it's pointed out to you that it's the opposite of your claims of us.



I didn't ask you to speak for me. I asked you what you thought my position was. Because you keep making claims in reference to what you seem to think it is.

I believe you believe what you are saying. Im 100% not arguing that. Im just arguing the pitfalls in that. I think it makes no sense to think he will do all these nice things when you have spent 8 years arguing he wont.

The idea he will give up on deporting illegals for example feels more of a wish then a reality. Lets see what happens but I just think that isnt going to happen. He wont light a fire and sing koombaya in a circle with migrants like you are suggesting is all im saying

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Can you please like, number or individual quote the bits you're arguing against?

I can't keep doing all the leg work, especially if you don't read what I post anyway.

Pain in the butt to do individual quotes

I mean I did read it. Me disagreeing with you doesnt mean I didnt read it.. Perhaps I just dont agree with you

 

[CM86]

I believe you believe what you are saying. Im 100% not arguing that. Im just arguing the pitfalls in that. I think it makes no sense to think he will do all these nice things when you have spent 8 years arguing he wont.

What is a single nice thing I've said that I think he will do????
What's a single thing I've spent 8 years arguing that he won't do, that I'm now saying he will do???


Name some.

Or please stop misattributing this position to me.

 

[CM86]

Can you answer the same question if I do? Quite regularly people who will ask that but never state their own thoughts cos they dont wanna get caught out 4 years later .

Now your turn.

I did as you asked, because I'm trying to engage with you.

I'm happy to be proven wrong.

I wasn't making an argument.

If you'd like to pick any single one of those, we can engage with a discussion around it and I can show you why I hold that view.
But I'm not interested in doing a cat and mouse thing about it.

You asked for my predictions. I appreciated you asking. I've given them to you.

Please feel free to reply to it in 4 years calling me out for everything I was completely wrong about. I'd like to be wrong about it.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What is a single nice thing I've said that I think he will do????
What's a single thing I've spent 8 years arguing that he won't do, that I'm now saying he will do???


Name some.

Or please stop misattributing this position to me.

You saying he will give up and not deport illegals is a nice thing in my eyes. You are suggesting he will leave them in peace?

bourbons has suggested when I asked if he will rig the electorate that he wont because its too hard. I think that is suggesting a concept of him doing the right thing.

A large part of your claims is he wont do the things he said he will do isnt it? He wont deport illegals, he wont put tariffs on, he wont rig the electorate etc . Im just afraid this wont happen. He will do what he says because he has nothing to stop him...

 

[CM86]

You saying he will give up and not deport illegals is a nice thing in my eyes. You are suggesting he will leave them in peace?

No.
I'm pointing out that his main rhetoric about 'the wall' and stopping 'illegal immigration' will actually expand to the point he will make executive orders to overcome the high court rulings. And also bring back things like the "Trump Transit ban".
I mentioned this in my post that you didn't read.

I should also add, I believe he will attempt to bring in the 'Muslim ban' again.

He will deport as many 'illegals' as he can.
But he will not be able to remove all of 'them', because of how much they hold up the farm and produce industry. Which is one of the most important parts of the US economy.

I'm not saying he is nice, or will have a change of heart etc.
I'm pointing out that he would not want to crash the US economy by removing the illegal source of cheap labor.

But, you've not read any of this.
Your takeaway is just that I think Trump will be kind, and not try to deport anyone.
I literally said this already, but you didn't read it.

bourbons has suggested when I asked if he will rig the electorate that he wont because its too hard. I think that is suggesting a concept of him doing the right thing.

It depends on how you'd rig the electorate.
What's more likely?

A. Do you spend billions with insane logistics to try and identify, locate and then relocate millions of people, in order to rig the election. While hoping that other people don't change their voting intent during those 4 years.

OR...

B. Do you do what he almost succeeded in doing previously, and just put in electors that will call the electorate for him.

It doesn't mean he can't or won't attempt to do what you're suggesting.
But what do you think he is more likely to do? A or B?
Again, he can do both, what's MORE LIKELY?

A large part of your claims is he wont do the things he said he will do isnt it? He wont deport illegals, he wont put tariffs on, he wont rig the electorate etc . Im just afraid this wont happen. He will do what he says because he has nothing to stop him...

I said he WILL attempt deport 'illegals'.
I said he WILL attempt put tariffs on.
I said he WILL and has previously attempted to rig the election with electorates.

But even now, after I've stated it again.
At some point you're going to say I'm saying the opposite.

And I don't know what else I can do in this situation. Because I'm trying to engage with you, but you keep arguing against positions that I don't have.

Why can't you just actually read what I post?
Is it just a waste of your time, and mine? Do you want me to stop? Tell me.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What part of deporting illegals is hard by the way? You keep saying that open statement of restrictions but are not explaining why those restrictions are a barrier. You say the economy relies on them... who? All Trumps donors said they rely on H1B and thats what they want.

I have no doubt illegals are used in the economy... but not by Trumps backers.... so why is Trump going to leave them in the country if his donors dont want them? You can use the ol "But Trump has illegals at mar-a-lgo" hope but given as of 2 weeks ago he said he wants to replace them with visa workers I think we can kind of say thats what he will do yeah?

Illegals make his enemies stronger.... not the US economy. He wont let them be strong cos you want them to be. The illegals will go, the visas will come in. This is the policy position he has.... direct from the person who bought his way into the administration in Elon Musk

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No.
I'm pointing out that his main rhetoric about 'the wall' and stopping 'illegal immigration' will actually expand to the point he will make executive orders to overcome the high court rulings. And also bring back things like the "Trump Transit ban".
I mentioned this in my post that you didn't read.

I should also add, I believe he will attempt to bring in the 'Muslim ban' again.

He will deport as many 'illegals' as he can.
But he will not be able to remove all of 'them', because of how much they hold up the farm and produce industry. Which is one of the most important parts of the US economy.

I'm not saying he is nice, or will have a change of heart etc.
I'm pointing out that he would not want to crash the US economy by removing the illegal source of cheap labor.

But, you've not read any of this.
Your takeaway is just that I think Trump will be kind, and not try to deport anyone.
I literally said this already, but you didn't read it.
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It depends on how you'd rig the electorate.

A. Do you spend billions with insane logistics to try and identify, locate and then relocate millions of people, in order to rig the election. While hoping that other people don't change their voting intent during those 4 years.
OR...

B. Do you do what he almost succeeded in doing previously, and just put in electors that will call the electorate for him.

It doesn't mean he can't or won't attempt to do what you're suggesting.
But what do you think he is more likely to do? A or B?
Again, he can do both, what's MORE LIKELY?


I said he WILL attempt deport 'illegals'.
I said he WILL attempt put tariffs on.
I said he WILL and has previously attempted to rig the election with electorates.

But even now, after I've stated it again.
At some point you're going to say I'm saying the opposite.

And I don't know what else I can do in this situation. Because I'm trying to engage with you, but you keep arguing against positions that I don't have.

Why can't you just actually read what I post?
Is it just a waste of your time, and mine? Do you want me to stop? Tell me.

I take that on board that its a difference between WILL and WONT so will apologise for that aspect

I just dont understand your concept of WILL and the WILL TRY only. What is this magical being that leaves it at the concept of WILL. bourbons says the concept is laziness. I think you are saying its the concept of it will piss off too many people and cause too many issues? I think it will piss off people and cause issues..... for his enemies. The small minority aspects where it can impact his voter base like farmers as you say he can just fix with a open cheque book and free reign over all government agencies.

I guess we disagree on the will ATTEMPT. He wont ATTEMPT, he will COMPLETE. Nothing will stop him since nothing can.

 

[Nothing]

Nothing will stop him since nothing can.