VAFA General Discussion

[bedford]

FWIW new vafa president creating a big footy account and the Herald Sun doing a write up on Div1-Div4 recruits, what other nuggets does 2024 have in store? Bedford as the new mod?

Happy to accept fwiw

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Like some cheese with your whine?

In 5 years I will be enjoying life in QLD, as services collapse in Victoria.

 

[Hippster]

..... and some of us know Hip that the 'committee' didn't sanction is very different from the 'committee' didn't know. On top of that senior players were involved in the session with the senior coach.

Anyway, good luck to the Kew FC for the rest of the year and disappointing that you feel getting away with this is a 'win', but an appalling display of disrespect for many within not only the football community but the community as a whole.

Please speak to some of your 'current' players on how they feel about the whole situation - as I have. Some at the club have let them down significantly. As I have said before they are #nothappyjan

Chump.

There are tens/hundreds of thousands letting us all down daily, so I’m not going to get as wound up as some here re the Maestro’s selfish session.
As I have said..It’s a Beaser issue not a Kew one IMO. Always has been. Kew Club and Committee/Volunteers are one of the best in the VAFA. They had no idea what he was up to and have been dragged into this by one man (the Professor of Promotion). He will get his whack.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

There are tens/hundreds of thousands letting us all down daily, so I’m not going to get as wound up as some here re the Maestro’s selfish session.
As I have said..It’s a Beaser issue not a Kew one IMO. Always has been. Kew Club and Committee/Volunteers are one of the best in the VAFA. They had no idea what he was up to and have been dragged into this by one man (the Professor of Promotion). He will get his whack.

Let's organise a protest march thru the streets of Kew. I am sure we could quickly arrange for a few thousand to show up.

 

[Gun Island]

There are tens/hundreds of thousands letting us all down daily, so I’m not going to get as wound up as some here re the Maestro’s selfish session.
As I have said..It’s a Beaser issue not a Kew one IMO. Always has been. Kew Club and Committee/Volunteers are one of the best in the VAFA. They had no idea what he was up to and have been dragged into this by one man (the Professor of Promotion). He will get his whack.

Question for you , what evidence do you have that they are one of the best , or is it dribble .


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[Mounzer11]

Lockdown 6.0 looming from midnight tonight.
I'm organising a training run on Saturday at Richmond Central's ground.
Who's in???

Ps: Don't tell the committee....if you're on the committee, please disregard....

 

[Navyblues09]

Lockdown 6.0 looming from midnight tonight.
I'm organising a training run on Saturday at Richmond Central's ground.
Who's in???

Ps: Don't tell the committee....if you're on the committee, please disregard...

Sounds good, Hippster should be able to rustle up some Kew jumpers for everyone so we don’t implicate our own clubs

 

[runstraight]

Lockdown 6.0 looming from midnight tonight.
I'm organising a training run on Saturday at Richmond Central's ground.
Who's in???

Ps: Don't tell the committee....if you're on the committee, please disregard....

I've got some QLD training singlets we can use, let me know if that works (I'm not a cop)

 

[Hippster]

Hmmm.
Goodbye to Promotion (not the Professor!) and Relegation im starting to think. LD6.0 will be the final nail in the coffin.

 

[runstraight]

Hmmm.
Goodbye to Promotion (not the Professor!) and Relegation im starting to think. LD6.0 will be the final nail in the coffin.

Another year of thrashings for current divs ! love to see it

 

[Max Leader]

Another year of thrashings for current divs ! love to see it

Unfortunately I have to agree.

Clubs should have the right to ask to be relegated. Not many will but should have the right.

 

[caddyshack85]

Disappointing not being able to string together consecutive games between lockdowns, hoping everyone keeps an eye out for those flithy cheats Kew on their local ovals!

 

[Max Leader]

I here Kews ground free for training. I’ll send around a FB post. Who’s got some footballs, I’ve got cones and bibs. Remember where a different club jumper.

Max “too soon” Leader

 

[Over The Post]

As long as you remain in groups of two, don't go for more than two hours, and you're within 5km of their oval, you'll be fine.

 

[oc37]

Hmmm.
Goodbye to Promotion (not the Professor!) and Relegation im starting to think. LD6.0 will be the final nail in the coffin.

I still think we’ll get finals done. 1up 1 down for mine. Though like Max’s suggestion too

 

[CARLTON2011]

I repeat, there will be no promotion or relegation this year. May be a possibility that Clubs can put their case for either but not going to happen via position on the ladder this year, Just my prediction.

 

[Dr Truth]

I here Kews ground free for training. I’ll send around a FB post. Who’s got some footballs, I’ve got cones and bibs. Remember where a different club jumper.

Max “too soon” Leader

Are Kew having an intraclub this weekend? Might be worth a look if 5kms from home.

 

[Trevor Slopden]

I repeat, there will be no promotion or relegation this year. May be a possibility that Clubs can put their case for either but not going to happen via position on the ladder this year, Just my prediction.

My prediction is that the VAFA need to make a strong decision here and that has to be to allow promotion/ relegation in some form.

The primary purpose of promotion/ relegation is to ensure an even competition over time. Club fortunes change over time and this is likely to be exacerbated by the lockdowns.

We can’t rule out further disruption next year meaning no promotion/ relegation could see some clubs “in the wrong division” for 4-5 years - effectively magnifying the impact of the lockdowns.

I also think there is benefit in rewarding top performing clubs, another decision they could make would be to cancel the remaining games (as they did for the women) to maximise the chance of having a completed final series.

Club allegiances aside, are there any clubs where this outcome would be obviously be considered grossly unfair?

 

[Archangel17]

My prediction is that the VAFA need to make a strong decision here and that has to be to allow promotion/ relegation in some form.

The primary purpose of promotion/ relegation is to ensure an even competition over time. Club fortunes change over time and this is likely to be exacerbated by the lockdowns.

We can’t rule out further disruption next year meaning no promotion/ relegation could see some clubs “in the wrong division” for 4-5 years - effectively magnifying the impact of the lockdowns.

I also think there is benefit in rewarding top performing clubs, another decision they could make would be to cancel the remaining games (as they did for the women) to maximise the chance of having a completed final series.

Club allegiances aside, are there any clubs where this outcome would be obviously be considered grossly unfair?

On the other hand, inaccurate promotion and relegation could not only see the same thing but rather magnify it.

 

[eth-dog]

On the other hand, inaccurate promotion and relegation could not only see the same thing but rather magnify it.

Inaccurate?

Trinity have 1 win from 11 games
Parkdale 0
Preston 0
Brunswick 0
Power House and Bulleen Templestowe 1 each
Albert Park 0

None of these teams deserve to stay up.

 

[bedford]

Making it an even more stupid decision to not play in the byes and maybe extend a week

 

[Archangel17]

Inaccurate?

Trinity have 1 win from 11 games
Parkdale 0
Preston 0
Brunswick 0
Power House and Bulleen Templestowe 1 each
Albert Park 0

None of these teams deserve to stay up.

It is not the bottom sides I am talking about nor the top. I can see merit in one up one down, but have a look at the second bottom sides. Except in C, I think, it is anything but clear. Similarly the second top is anything but clear in most. By missing five or more games you are more than likely to have sides promoted and relegated that are not the second weakest nor the second strongest side.

 

[Archangel17]

It is not the bottom sides I am talking about nor the top. I can see merit in one up one down, but have a look at the second bottom sides. Except in C, I think, it is anything but clear. Similarly the second top is anything but clear in most. By missing five or more games you are more than likely to have sides promoted and relegated that are not the second weakest nor the second strongest side so you would be promoting a weaker side and relegating a stronger side, unbalancing the grades further

 

[Archangel17]

My prediction is that the VAFA need to make a strong decision here and that has to be to allow promotion/ relegation in some form.

The primary purpose of promotion/ relegation is to ensure an even competition over time. Club fortunes change over time and this is likely to be exacerbated by the lockdowns.

We can’t rule out further disruption next year meaning no promotion/ relegation could see some clubs “in the wrong division” for 4-5 years - effectively magnifying the impact of the lockdowns.

I also think there is benefit in rewarding top performing clubs, another decision they could make would be to cancel the remaining games (as they did for the women) to maximise the chance of having a completed final series.

Club allegiances aside, are there any clubs where this outcome would be obviously be considered grossly unfair?

Yes there would be outcomes that are grossly unfair, particularly if you ended the season early which is a ridiculous suggestion. Obviously you come from a top club. How would you explain to an injury ravaged Collegians that they would be relegated on the basis of not playing fellow bottom teams including OT in the last round. Collegians if they maintain a semblance of their list would absolutely slay Premier B next year, widening gaps further. You would also tell Oakleigh and Peninsula Old Boys, bad luck, you don't get to play each other again, or Old Carey bad luck you don't get to play Fitzroy at all, nor Williamstown or Ajax. Mazenod who are probably the second or third best team in C right now and would miss finals with games against UHS(which they miss this week) OMs(who they don't play at all, and Preston too

 

[Jimmyjack]

Inaccurate?

Trinity have 1 win from 11 games
Parkdale 0
Preston 0
Brunswick 0
Power House and Bulleen Templestowe 1 each
Albert Park 0

None of these teams deserve to stay up.

Agree eth-dog. When the Parkdale situation became evident in the pre-season the issue of precedent was raised to justify them remaining in B grade and taking their medicine. But there is no precedent for what is going on in the world the moment. This would not be a free for all but If we have no promotion/relegation this year then clubs that might otherwise have been relegated should be allowed to make a submission, based on evidence, that they should be playing in particular division in 2022. Conversely clubs that have dominated in 2021 (Uni Blacks, Elsternwick etc) should be able to make a submission to go up (Although based on recent form the VAFA will probably just handball this to the AFL).

And Bedford I agree that having a double bye when blind Freddy could see at some stage we would miss games due to lock down was at best questionable and at worst idiotic. Other leagues, particularly those in the country, have been flexible and adaptable to the changing environment and prepared to make fixture amendments on the run. While not ideal it at least demonstrates some forward thinking. The VAFA just default to the 'constitution' and agreements made in the pre-season when circumstances were entirely different. I'm yet to find a club that was not prepared to shorten the break and/or play make up games, even if it meant extending the season.

 

[les argen]

There are tens/hundreds of thousands letting us all down daily, so I’m not going to get as wound up as some here re the Maestro’s selfish session.
As I have said..It’s a Beaser issue not a Kew one IMO. Always has been. Kew Club and Committee/Volunteers are one of the best in the VAFA. They had no idea what he was up to and have been dragged into this by one man (the Professor of Promotion). He will get his whack.

I reckon Kew can’t escape punishment either way. If they knew, they’re guilty. If they didn’t know, they’re guilty by way of negligence. That’s the way it works when you take on a position of responsibility. Ask Essendon...