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Piggy Smalls said:
That footage from on The Round So Far where JUH is about have a shot just made my blood boil yet again.
6 Freo players including Adam Treloar’s man (guessing it was JOM) turn their backs on the play to have a scrap with Rory Lobb while Treloar waltzes in a dangerous position, gets the front and centre and puts them 4 goals up.

The way our defenders acted like tough campaigners and then played like scared little boys is frankly embarrassing. I seriously hope the boys have been told to make sure they’ve got their mouth guards at training this week. Looks to me like there’s been way too many cuddles and back slaps and nowhere near enough contact since the start of preseason. The boys better toughen up quick smart because our lack of physicality in the contest would be front and Centre of every oppo coach’s planning for us now.
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It's funny. Reminded me of the final last year where lachie schultz took on like 5 dogs and they were having a biff over the boundary line. Meanwhile play resumed and we get an easy goal before they even made it back onto the field.
 
Piggy Smalls said:
That footage from on The Round So Far where JUH is about have a shot just made my blood boil yet again.
6 Freo players including Adam Treloar’s man (guessing it was JOM) turn their backs on the play to have a scrap with Rory Lobb while Treloar waltzes in a dangerous position, gets the front and centre and puts them 4 goals up.

The way our defenders acted like tough campaigners and then played like scared little boys is frankly embarrassing. I seriously hope the boys have been told to make sure they’ve got their mouth guards at training this week. Looks to me like there’s been way too many cuddles and back slaps and nowhere near enough contact since the start of preseason. The boys better toughen up quick smart because our lack of physicality in the contest would be front and Centre of every oppo coach’s planning for us now.
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1st activity for the week.
Shave your ****ing locks off AP.
 

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Piggy Smalls said:
The boys better toughen up quick smart because our lack of physicality in the contest would be front and Centre of every oppo coach’s planning for us now.
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I'd suggest that's been the oppo focus since last season after our games in the wet. Clearly we haven't addressed it in the off season and we're still young, inexperienced and I'd suggest lighter than most oppo.
 
summerthebat said:
It's coaching, how can it not be?

A few games ago we beat the bulldogs in a final from an unwinnable position and played below our best and kept it respectable against Collingwood in a semi-final. Nothing in terms of on-field talent has changed enough for this performances to be blamed on anything else.
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Yes it has! We lost a bunch of B22 players in the prime age ranges and got de-list material and kids to replace them.

The top teams have older experienced teams, we had the youngest and least experience team this round.

I agree the coach isn't using the players he has effectively but the club completely screwed us with the poor list management. Pure arrogance and stupidity! Benny hill music soundtrack stuff!
 
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summerthebat said:
It's coaching, how can it not be?

A few games ago we beat the bulldogs in a final from an unwinnable position and played below our best and kept it respectable against Collingwood in a semi-final. Nothing in terms of on-field talent has changed enough for this performances to be blamed on anything else.
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Collingwood's kicking helped keep it respectable. Should've been a 50+ point flogging.
 
s_wd6 said:
Worst part about this game was it meant finally accepting that this season will be a write off, and there's not going to be some miraculous turn around from players/coaching staff. And there's literally no benefit to it. Even when Collingwood traded their future first and then finished bottom it didn't matter because it would've been spent on Daicos anyway.

Every coach evolved with their game plan, decided playing fast was the way to go, and spent all pre-season grooming their players to do so. Meanwhile we stuck with what got us figured out last year and spent the entire pre season playing ourselves and drinking our bathwater because tbh versing us would make anyone look good.

We are just about the worst side in the comp at the moment. Barely scraping home against Suns and only getting on top of wce once they lost their entire bench. And in none of our losses have we even looked close to winning. Not even patches or quarters of good or exciting footy against any teams with a glimmer of skill. Just pure, uncompetitive football.

And it's largely due to the arrogance of those higher up. Logue would've stayed if he was guaranteed to play back imo, but instead we kept harping on about how we want to keep him because he's so versatile he can go up forward too. There was clearly not going to be any space for him in our forward line this year. And Acres just wanted a fair deal to reflect his season, and Bell was too petty to even give him that. We had no replacement for him, and he was a solid part of why we were so good last year. Watching Dogs wings run the length of the ground every time without fail because we had no one at the fall of the ball. He'd be good enough to at least get a spoil in when the kick was coming out from d50.

Meanwhile instead of grooming someone like Chapman, who has natural skills, in the wing role, we give that to another defender who hasn't played a game in a year and a half and was always just "courageous" at best. Playing Chapman up the ground could've solved two problems at once. Given us a winger and guaranteed Logue a spot in our backline. Logue would've been so ******* useful last night, and against all other teams with three talls. I don't care about the other guys that left. Dickhead Mc*face was always on his way out, and Tucker and Meek were depth we let go who were in contract. But Logue could've been locked away early, and Acres for a fair price and instead we received absolute * all from the because we let them go in a contract year.

Additionally, the guys who were keeping Logue out have been absolutely putrid this year. Pearce has conceded at least 3 goals directly every single game. When your captain is doing that what tone does it set for the rest of the team? Gets caught out so easily 1v1 and will give away at least two goals a game from holding free kicks. Ryan offers nothing defensively or offensively. At least last year he was still getting crucial, goal saving intercepts to make up for his inability to defend his man. Was so frustrating watching him trail behind his player every single time the ball went in. He's fat an unfit and can't keep up. Cox is so far from his form last year too its not even funny. At his best he's intercepting freely around the ground and playing on quickly and using the ball well, and rarely getting beaten in a 1v1 contest. Did not have a single intercept mark yesterday. Pearce playing poorly has directly impacted his performance too. We dropped Logue early on last year for a performance that was still so much better than anything Pearce has shown this season.

I was in the camp that Mundy retiring last year was the right thing because he offered little two way running. But holy s*t at least he would rack up impactful clearances. If he had Darcy's service right now he'd be back to his best form imo, as well as providing some much needed leadership to our midfield. Instead we replace him with just-as-bad-defensively JOM, who's clearances consist of dinky little handballs to no one. 4 years. 4 ****** years. Peter Bell is such a ******* joke. The only player in our midfield who's decided to step up is a tiny 178cm 22 year old. Our stoppage set ups are so ******* putrid too. Time and time again throughout the game all our mids would get sucked into the contest while Dogs just handballed to the outside and we were no where to be found. Joel Corey is not a midfield coach.

It's time we start calling around to find some competent, EXPERIENCED coaches that have zero connection to our club in the slightest. In the meantime, we're stuck having to sit through this bullshit all season with no compensation at the end of it, becasue of the arrogance and stubbornness from those in charge.
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It’s worth reading this again. The arrogance and stubbornness of Longmuir and Bell is unbelievable and I’ll be ecstatic once they’re both gone.
 
First world problem rant.
We have two massive screens and fantastic PA system at the crowd yet when we make a substitution I have to go through the whole side to figure who went off! To me it is unprofessional of the club and the AFL that this happens. In the past I think they may have announced it but even them it was like 15 minutes after it happened.
Right, back to waving my fist at the sky….stupid clouds…
 
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Piggy Smalls said:
That footage from on The Round So Far where JUH is about have a shot just made my blood boil yet again.
6 Freo players including Adam Treloar’s man (guessing it was JOM) turn their backs on the play to have a scrap with Rory Lobb while Treloar waltzes in a dangerous position, gets the front and centre and puts them 4 goals up.

The way our defenders acted like tough campaigners and then played like scared little boys is frankly embarrassing. I seriously hope the boys have been told to make sure they’ve got their mouth guards at training this week. Looks to me like there’s been way too many cuddles and back slaps and nowhere near enough contact since the start of preseason. The boys better toughen up quick smart because our lack of physicality in the contest would be front and Centre of every oppo coach’s planning for us now.
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The fans going nuts at him during that too. I just looked at the scoreboard and its a 4 goal margin. Players and fans completely missed the point.

AP is the one responsible for the pre game shove. What a captain. Be the leader and just go to your position. Put the passion on the field. Actually the passion and fire during the game is non existent. Why not go nuts in the contest on Friday night? Instead it's all on Lobb, when they knew he wanted to leave for 2 years! Jesus Christ.

AP should be forced/told to get a ****ing haircut, shave and look like a captain. The long hair in a bun with the 2 week old stubble is freaking embarrassing.
 
Ok, here we go, another vent.

Firstly let me say that I don’t intend to microwave my membership or stop attending games or abandon the club. I will support them til I die that’s just the way we are.
But, I am very disillusioned with the club this year. We’ve had lots of bad years over the journey and have, on more than one occasion, been the laughing stock of the comp. But this year seems different, not just for me, but to many of my long time supporter friends. It seems to me that we are seriously underperforming given the resources available to the club.
Was last year a false dawn? Have we overestimated the quality of this group? We’ve got 56000 members, 47000 people at a Friday night game, what I thought was a promising and talented list, but where are we going? What’s is Fremantle footy? I don’t see a brand, a style or any hint of a game plan that will compete with the rest of the competition.
One week we have no connection with the forwards, the next we have no urgency with our ball movement from defence and now we have no contest??? If we’re going to have one of those soul searching, introspective, lay-it-all-on-the-table mid season club reviews can we please shuffle the diary and bring it forward to early May because we literally suck at EVERYTHING right now!
Mid way through the last quarter on a glorious night for football at Optus stadium last Friday I was trying to pinpoint where things were going wrong.
Is it the list? Is it the coaches? I’m not sure I know he answer.
Looking at the list…
Who is the key defender on our team that other teams put significant time into a plan to quell their influence? Do we have a Tom Stewart/Harris Andrew/Tim May/Barrass type of player. Do we have a defender that Hawkins/Cameron/McKay/Curnow or even Daniher would lose sleep over? The back 6 are still cashing in on their reputation for their performance from previous years, they are not delivering this year. Logue might have been handy against JUH.
Do we have a midfielder that is so good that opposition teams don’t even bother wasting a player to try and stop them, someone in the Bont/Cripps/Danger mould? Sadly it looks like Fyfe can no longer play that role. Brayshaw and Serong are wonderful players but when the opposition wants to limit their output they seem to be able to do it. Plus neither of these guys are going to occasionally drift forward and take a pack mark in front of goal.
We don’t even have a CHF and we haven’t had a truly talented and dangerous FF since Modra, if you don’t count Pav pinch hitting as a FF. As a small forward Schultz tries his heart out and he makes up with effort what he lacks in outright class. Freddie shows glimpses. Amiss is promising but who does the opposition put time into in our forward line? Did capable, but not outstanding defenders like Jones or Keath lose any sleep during the past week? Which of our wings do the opposition coaches worry about? Neither I suspect.
I don’t know if our coaches are up to the task and I probably don’t have any way of definitively making that assessment but I can make an assessment about the list. And Frankly I’m concerned. Six or so years into a rebuild and I’m not sure we have the cattle. We have some outstanding players but we have some big holes too.
I watched the Peel game yesterday hoping there was a diamond in the rough down there. Erasmus works hard but other than that I didn’t see anyone putting their hand up.
Is this list capable of taking us deep into September? Or is a lack of game style and cohesion the sole cause of our dilemma?
I don’t know who to blame but I am not enjoying this season.
 
Everyone see Rankine just handball over the top to a man in the square after taking a mark 15m out straight in front?

I told you that teams who are playing with team spirit do that every time and was shot down as it being cheap seagulling.

Our team has no spirit or cohesion at the moment and that was the perfect example of it at play.
 

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PurpleReign said:
Ok, here we go, another vent.

Firstly let me say that I don’t intend to microwave my membership or stop attending games or abandon the club. I will support them til I die that’s just the way we are.
But, I am very disillusioned with the club this year. We’ve had lots of bad years over the journey and have, on more than one occasion, been the laughing stock of the comp. But this year seems different, not just for me, but to many of my long time supporter friends. It seems to me that we are seriously underperforming given the resources available to the club.
Was last year a false dawn? Have we overestimated the quality of this group? We’ve got 56000 members, 47000 people at a Friday night game, what I thought was a promising and talented list, but where are we going? What’s is Fremantle footy? I don’t see a brand, a style or any hint of a game plan that will compete with the rest of the competition.
One week we have no connection with the forwards, the next we have no urgency with our ball movement from defence and now we have no contest??? If we’re going to have one of those soul searching, introspective, lay-it-all-on-the-table mid season club reviews can we please shuffle the diary and bring it forward to early May because we literally suck at EVERYTHING right now!
Mid way through the last quarter on a glorious night for football at Optus stadium last Friday I was trying to pinpoint where things were going wrong.
Is it the list? Is it the coaches? I’m not sure I know he answer.
Looking at the list…
Who is the key defender on our team that other teams put significant time into a plan to quell their influence? Do we have a Tom Stewart/Harris Andrew/Tim May/Barrass type of player. Do we have a defender that Hawkins/Cameron/McKay/Curnow or even Daniher would lose sleep over? The back 6 are still cashing in on their reputation for their performance from previous years, they are not delivering this year. Logue might have been handy against JUH.
Do we have a midfielder that is so good that opposition teams don’t even bother wasting a player to try and stop them, someone in the Bont/Cripps/Danger mould? Sadly it looks like Fyfe can no longer play that role. Brayshaw and Serong are wonderful players but when the opposition wants to limit their output they seem to be able to do it. Plus neither of these guys are going to occasionally drift forward and take a pack mark in front of goal.
We don’t even have a CHF and we haven’t had a truly talented and dangerous FF since Modra, if you don’t count Pav pinch hitting as a FF. As a small forward Schultz tries his heart out and he makes up with effort what he lacks in outright class. Freddie shows glimpses. Amiss is promising but who does the opposition put time into in our forward line? Did capable, but not outstanding defenders like Jones or Keath lose any sleep during the past week? Which of our wings do the opposition coaches worry about? Neither I suspect.
I don’t know if our coaches are up to the task and I probably don’t have any way of definitively making that assessment but I can make an assessment about the list. And Frankly I’m concerned. Six or so years into a rebuild and I’m not sure we have the cattle. We have some outstanding players but we have some big holes too.
I watched the Peel game yesterday hoping there was a diamond in the rough down there. Erasmus works hard but other than that I didn’t see anyone putting their hand up.
Is this list capable of taking us deep into September? Or is a lack of game style and cohesion the sole cause of our dilemma?
I don’t know who to blame but I am not enjoying this season.
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Wonderful post. I certainly share your confusion/ disappointment and I have no real answers, apart from to say the issues are any number of things combined.
 
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PurpleReign said:
Ok, here we go, another vent.

Firstly let me say that I don’t intend to microwave my membership or stop attending games or abandon the club. I will support them til I die that’s just the way we are.
But, I am very disillusioned with the club this year. We’ve had lots of bad years over the journey and have, on more than one occasion, been the laughing stock of the comp. But this year seems different, not just for me, but to many of my long time supporter friends. It seems to me that we are seriously underperforming given the resources available to the club.
Was last year a false dawn? Have we overestimated the quality of this group? We’ve got 56000 members, 47000 people at a Friday night game, what I thought was a promising and talented list, but where are we going? What’s is Fremantle footy? I don’t see a brand, a style or any hint of a game plan that will compete with the rest of the competition.
One week we have no connection with the forwards, the next we have no urgency with our ball movement from defence and now we have no contest??? If we’re going to have one of those soul searching, introspective, lay-it-all-on-the-table mid season club reviews can we please shuffle the diary and bring it forward to early May because we literally suck at EVERYTHING right now!
Mid way through the last quarter on a glorious night for football at Optus stadium last Friday I was trying to pinpoint where things were going wrong.
Is it the list? Is it the coaches? I’m not sure I know he answer.
Looking at the list…
Who is the key defender on our team that other teams put significant time into a plan to quell their influence? Do we have a Tom Stewart/Harris Andrew/Tim May/Barrass type of player. Do we have a defender that Hawkins/Cameron/McKay/Curnow or even Daniher would lose sleep over? The back 6 are still cashing in on their reputation for their performance from previous years, they are not delivering this year. Logue might have been handy against JUH.
Do we have a midfielder that is so good that opposition teams don’t even bother wasting a player to try and stop them, someone in the Bont/Cripps/Danger mould? Sadly it looks like Fyfe can no longer play that role. Brayshaw and Serong are wonderful players but when the opposition wants to limit their output they seem to be able to do it. Plus neither of these guys are going to occasionally drift forward and take a pack mark in front of goal.
We don’t even have a CHF and we haven’t had a truly talented and dangerous FF since Modra, if you don’t count Pav pinch hitting as a FF. As a small forward Schultz tries his heart out and he makes up with effort what he lacks in outright class. Freddie shows glimpses. Amiss is promising but who does the opposition put time into in our forward line? Did capable, but not outstanding defenders like Jones or Keath lose any sleep during the past week? Which of our wings do the opposition coaches worry about? Neither I suspect.
I don’t know if our coaches are up to the task and I probably don’t have any way of definitively making that assessment but I can make an assessment about the list. And Frankly I’m concerned. Six or so years into a rebuild and I’m not sure we have the cattle. We have some outstanding players but we have some big holes too.
I watched the Peel game yesterday hoping there was a diamond in the rough down there. Erasmus works hard but other than that I didn’t see anyone putting their hand up.
Is this list capable of taking us deep into September? Or is a lack of game style and cohesion the sole cause of our dilemma?
I don’t know who to blame but I am not enjoying this season.
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Erasmus should be in the team, Treacy too, play him down back, pinch hit ruck.
Johnson to the wing with Hughes unless NOD is available. Or Wilson Clark wing?
Erasmus can rotate with JOM forward/mid.
If Chapman is available then Young gets midfield time, etc.
Erasmus,Treacy bring resolve and multi positional.
More pace, size midfield, Treacy, Cox bring flexibility in the key positions.
 
The cold hard reality is that because there are no draft picks at the end of the year, and that they continue to play the likes of Hughes and Banfield there is no hope for the future for the foreseeable future. Freo are going to be trash for about 2-3 years, hopefully by then Serong, Young, Brayshaw and Darcy haven't left (and if we do let them leave it's for a huge return).
 
FreoRicci said:
It’s a vent, but our worse under Ross was depression inducing stuff. Holy s**t. Back to back to back 100 point losses.
Think 15? Unanswered goals v Geelong.

Nah, this squad is young. If it wants to be hurt, then have to show the next few weeks
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Sadly I fear that if nothing changes those 100 point floggings are coming
 
estibador said:
I don't think he's worried about getting dirty given how often he falls over.
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That fumbling to pick up the ball on last line felt like an eternity ..like a new born deer ..waiting for a lion to pounce on. Had ages to fumble over line or pass to cox..
 
Footskill said:
That fumbling to pick up the ball on last line felt like an eternity ..like a new born deer ..waiting for a lion to pounce on
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And he still had plenty of time to give the handball but second guessed and held onto it to cough up a goal instead.

Emblematic of how little the team is playing instinctually anymore.
 
estibador said:
And he still had plenty of time to give the handball but second guessed and held onto it to cough up a goal instead.

Emblematic of how little the team is playing instinctually anymore.
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Yep. All that drilling to play instinctively but now letting the head take over. 1st option in those situations is best..
 
estibador said:
Everyone see Rankine just handball over the top to a man in the square after taking a mark 15m out straight in front?

I told you that teams who are playing with team spirit do that every time and was shot down as it being cheap seagulling.

Our team has no spirit or cohesion at the moment and that was the perfect example of it at play.
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100%. The great teams and team players seem to be more pleased with a goal assist than the goal itself. It lifts the spirit and energy in a team.

Geelong under Thompson an example of this.
 
The biggest concern is that we become one of those nothing middle of the road teams. If you don't acquire enough elite talent when you finish low, you end up like the Saints (without Ross) in that you're too mature to bottom out but not good enough to win anything. The peak of that being Scott at North.

At least if you're pure **** you keep getting hope from your top 5 draft picks. Finishing 6-10 for 5 years without ever threatening would be horrible.
 

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