Roast Vent Here

[Dockeroo]

We have plenty of 1st rounders who aren’t standing up. For example Jackson is a pick 3 who’s had an extra 3 years of development on Ashcroft and I’ve yet to see him impact a big game in the way Ashcroft did yesterday.

And Lohmann who was taken pick 20 in 2021. In that draft we took Erasmus at pick 10 who can’t get a game, and Johnson at pick 21 who doesn’t hold a candle to Lohmann.

There was a lot of whooping and hollering the night of that 2021 draft on this board. Talk of dynasties etc.
much of it was driven by the fact we had drafted 3 west Australians in the top 21. Exciting yes, but 3 years on only one of them is a certainly to play 200 games, injury permitting.

Most fans now on here would happily offer Erasmus or MJ as trade bait to help get an established player in, less than three years on from that draft, without a second thought.

Amiss - pick 8
Erasmus - pick 10
Johnson - pick 21

The real winner that night was Brisbane with Lohmann at pick 20 and Wilmot at pick 16. Wilmot in particular is grossly underrated by the national media. He’s an absolute gun.

Never get too excited by names on draft night. Most people here are already emotionally too attached to WA talent before they have even kicked a ball at AFL level.

 

[CapitalA]

My bad, I’ve yet to see him impact a big game for Freo

Probably because we keep playing him as the main ruck, he isn't a good sole ruck.

 

[Bicco]

I’m convinced it’s a Perth location thing.
220 games out of Perth has the same toll on the body as 300 plus out of Melbourne.

It’s not much different across town at Lathlain.

And that’s been the case for many years now, it’s not a recent phenomenon.
There are a few exceptions to the rule but not many.

Im not sure this is the case.
Melbourne are the oldest club and have x2 players playing 300+. Neitz at 306 the highest. Only 8 players have played 250+.
We have x2 at 300+
Geelong have 6 at 300+. They're the other 'oldest club'.
We heavily recruited mature players in our formative years. The draft was a different beast then.

 

[anchor man]

I’m convinced it’s a Perth location thing.
220 games out of Perth has the same toll on the body as 300 plus out of Melbourne.

It’s not much different across town at Lathlain.

And that’s been the case for many years now, it’s not a recent phenomenon.
There are a few exceptions to the rule but not many.

Travel is a killer. Look how long it took for the Yellas to get a 300 game player. And they were in the competition 8 years before us.
And then have a look at the South Aussie teams. A five minute plane ride to Melbourne against a four hour flight.
I reckon flying from WA takes a good two seasons off players.
AND, they fly us all over the Nation to play.

 

[apuchar]

Afl said the other day that they will look at limiting our travel to Tassie. Not sure if that is only until the Tassie team come in. Would prefer a game in Alice when Tassie come in. Would be best for both sides.

 

[anchor man]

Afl said the other day that they will look at limiting our travel to Tassie. Not sure if that is only until the Tassie team come in. Would prefer a game in Alice when Tassie come in. Would be best for both sides.

Stop us going to Tassie, but more than likely send us to DArwin twice.
They have also promised us other thing over the Gather round this year, but will deliver us SFA.Of that you can be sure.

 

[gaskin]

Would prefer a game in Alice when Tassie come in. Would be best for both sides.

In what world is it best for both sides?

 

[apuchar]

In what world is it best for both sides?

Neither Tassie nor Freo would have the full travel. Meet half way. The Afl need to give us an extra home game as well.

 

[apuchar]

Stop us going to Tassie, but more than likely send us to DArwin twice.
They have also promised us other thing over the Gather round this year, but will deliver us SFA.Of that you can be sure.

Don't expect anything. The only thing they are likely to do from here is water down the non Northern NGA's to the point where they are useless. The changes to the bidding system seem a little weak and still give the Northern club a huge advantage. Although not evenly so. Guess we will find out once it comes into play.

 

[Dockeroo]

Im not sure this is the case.
Melbourne are the oldest club and have x2 players playing 300+. Neitz at 306 the highest. Only 8 players have played 250+.
We have x2 at 300+
Geelong have 6 at 300+. They're the other 'oldest club'.
We heavily recruited mature players in our formative years. The draft was a different beast then.

I’ve no hard numbers to back it up but it seems that a lot of WA based AFL players have their best footy behind them at 30 years of age.
Leaving aside the total games played thing for a moment. For example fyfes last 40 games or so have been completely unrecognisable from his peak when he was averaging one Brownlow vote a game.

Of course there are good exceptions like Mundy, Hurn, Pavlich, Josh Kennedy, but off the top of my head guys like

Fyfe
Walters
Shuey
Gaff
Stephen Hill
Darling
Naitanui
Yeo

Played at All Australian level or close to if from their early 20s to around age 29/30.

All have played games post 30 years of age in a fragmented manner, battling constant injuries and setbacks and are in truth, pale shadows of the players they were.

Other teams based in Melbourne don’t seem to have 30 yo plus players drop off as dramatically. I can’t help but agree with anchor man that the long travel is a factor in career longevity.

Only think is that you’d hope sport science advances will help players like Andy and Caleb and the likes to get more out their peak careers than the guys listed above though better practices.

 

[gaskin]

Neither Tassie nor Freo would have the full travel. Meet half way. The Afl need to give us an extra home game as well.

So both teams benefit by losing a home game? Come on, mate. That makes no sense at all.

 

[Dockeroo]

Don't expect anything. The only thing they are likely to do from here is water down the non Northern NGA's to the point where they are useless. The changes to the bidding system seem a little weak and still give the Northern club a huge advantage. Although not evenly so. Guess we will find out once it comes into play.

If the bidding process was fair and a genuine price had to be paid to match a bid, many clubs would pass on the bid and not match.
That practically never happens. That alone - tells you it’s a broken system.

 

[apuchar]

So both teams benefit by losing a home game? Come on, mate. That makes no sense at all.

Did you read the second bit. They are talking about trying to give us an extra home game. I see you point though. Maybe only when we are travelling there. So there home game.

 

[apuchar]

If the bidding process was fair and a genuine price had to be paid to match a bid, many clubs would pass on the bid and not match.
That practically never happens. That alone - tells you it’s a broken system.

Exactly.

 

[noise36]

Amiss - pick 8
Erasmus - pick 10
Johnson - pick 21

The real winner that night was Brisbane with Lohmann at pick 20 and Wilmot at pick 16. Wilmot in particular is grossly underrated by the national media. He’s an absolute gun.

Its probably not the players? Its the clubs giving or not giving opportunioty, the game plans, team structures , coaching etc.

 

[mpal6]

There was a lot of whooping and hollering the night of that 2021 draft on this board. Talk of dynasties etc.
much of it was driven by the fact we had drafted 3 west Australians in the top 21. Exciting yes, but 3 years on only one of them is a certainly to play 200 games, injury permitting.

Most fans now on here would happily offer Erasmus or MJ as trade bait to help get an established player in, less than three years on from that draft, without a second thought.

Amiss - pick 8
Erasmus - pick 10
Johnson - pick 21

The real winner that night was Brisbane with Lohmann at pick 20 and Wilmot at pick 16. Wilmot in particular is grossly underrated by the national media. He’s an absolute gun.

Never get too excited by names on draft night. Most people here are already emotionally too attached to WA talent before they have even kicked a ball at AFL level.

Apologies for the intrusion here, just want to say while Lohmann looks great for us right now, but he was perennially on the fringes for us for the last 2 years. He was so close to leaving Brisbane to Dogs (inner sanctum thought we lost him) until he decided to sign up again and continue with us. The most important event (or unfortunate from Linc McCarthy's perspective) was Linc doing his ACL earlier this year and Kai getting his ideal forward/mid role which helped him flourish.

I've observed Matthew Johnson for a few games this year, I've to say he has all the traits of ready to take that leap up to next level. In a way I feel like he's being shunted around a bit as a defender and some midfield time (based on my limited observation) but he looked elite in onball traffic whenever I've seen him in there. If a permanent midfield role opens up for him next year - I believe you have a gun in your hands. Just needs more exposure in his preferred spot.

 

[s_wd6]

I know this is the vent thread but surely we've seen enough for Johnson to know that he'll be a good player for us? Some of his work early in the year before his foot injury was starting to look really good. He was shrugging of tackles and nailing kicks i50 and everything was finally starting to come together.

 

[james haish]

Apologies for the intrusion here, just want to say while Lohmann looks great for us right now, but he was perennially on the fringes for us for the last 2 years. He was so close to leaving Brisbane to Dogs (inner sanctum thought we lost him) until he decided to sign up again and continue with us. The most important event (or unfortunate from Linc McCarthy's perspective) was Linc doing his ACL earlier this year and Kai getting his ideal forward/mid role which helped him flourish.

I've observed Matthew Johnson for a few games this year, I've to say he has all the traits of ready to take that leap up to next level. In a way I feel like he's being shunted around a bit as a defender and some midfield time (based on my limited observation) but he looked elite in onball traffic whenever I've seen him in there. If a permanent midfield role opens up for him next year - I believe you have a gun in your hands. Just needs more exposure in his preferred spot.

Great post. I really rate Lohmann, but he's also the third-fourth best small forward in a forward line stacked with talent. Makes it a lot easier for him to shine.

 

[King Huskii]

Apologies for the intrusion here, just want to say while Lohmann looks great for us right now, but he was perennially on the fringes for us for the last 2 years. He was so close to leaving Brisbane to Dogs (inner sanctum thought we lost him) until he decided to sign up again and continue with us. The most important event (or unfortunate from Linc McCarthy's perspective) was Linc doing his ACL earlier this year and Kai getting his ideal forward/mid role which helped him flourish.

I've observed Matthew Johnson for a few games this year, I've to say he has all the traits of ready to take that leap up to next level. In a way I feel like he's being shunted around a bit as a defender and some midfield time (based on my limited observation) but he looked elite in onball traffic whenever I've seen him in there. If a permanent midfield role opens up for him next year - I believe you have a gun in your hands. Just needs more exposure in his preferred spot.

Good observations

Totally agree

 

[freoextra]

Good observations

Totally agree

Worst vent thread ever!!

Let’s get back on track. WC just got the greatest assistant coach in the history of the AFL and are now guaranteed 9 premierships in a row with guns Baker and Graham ( is that his name?) whilst Freo has done squat.

Probably have to try for the left over players like Bolton, Pickett and Warner and Scott as an assistant coach.

 

[anchor man]

My gripe, or vent, call it what you want, but it drives me crazy.
when will all the bullsheet of the Flagmantle stop. It is crap.
Makes us the laughing stock of the competition that our supporters sprout the crap.

 

[s_wd6]

My gripe, or vent, call it what you want, but it drives me crazy.
when will all the bullsheet of the Flagmantle stop. It is crap.
Makes us the laughing stock of the competition that our supporters sprout the crap.

Only because it went from being used ironically/as a pisstake (way back in 2021, before we were any good) and then the media grabbed onto it and used it seriously.

 

[Madas]

My gripe, or vent, call it what you want, but it drives me crazy.
when will all the bullsheet of the Flagmantle stop. It is crap.
Makes us the laughing stock of the competition that our supporters sprout the crap.

Flagmantle will stop when we’ve won a flag

 

[dont bowl there]

Fans calling players who want to leave clubs mercenaries but are happy to see anyone come cos "they must bleed purple". 99% of players want to make the most earnings from their early/peak career. It's up to the club who has them to sell the future and keep them.

 

[BigRang]

Flagmantle will stop when we’ve won a flag

Not when I've got it tattooed on my left bum cheek after our first flag it won't.