Roast Vent Here

[Docker82]

And to think meeting a Perth girl would guarantee a lifetime at freo.

We were so wrong.

And the club for letting him go a year early.

I would have rolled the dice for 12 months and copped the FA compensation.

1 first rounder wasn't enough and it's showed

We got more than one first rounder…

 

[gaskin]

And to think meeting a Perth girl would guarantee a lifetime at freo.

We were so wrong.

It probably would have if he didn't get a godfather offer from Brisbane which we rightly didn't match.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

 

[s_wd6]

And to think meeting a Perth girl would guarantee a lifetime at freo.

We were so wrong.

And the club for letting him go a year early.

I would have rolled the dice for 12 months and copped the FA compensation.

1 first rounder wasn't enough and it's showed

Wrong type of girl.

For some the most important thing is family support, for others it's the glitz and glam that comes with being a WAG.

Used to date a former Suns player and moved on to Lachie after he got delisted.

 

[DocT]

Lions have one of the oldest lists so not sure what you point is? A quick google had them at the 4th oldest in 2024.

The point might not be that Freo should be in a GF, just that Brisbane's young players performed extremely well at this level and therefore people saying that our age is the main reason why we missed the 8 - a much lower bar than a granny - are wrong. It's a fair point IMO.

 

[BStaff17]

It probably would have if he didn't get a godfather offer from Brisbane which we rightly didn't match.

What was the godfather offer

It surely wasnt a million a year

We stuffed up he was a turncoat but at the same time he was contracted so basically we could have kept him.

We lacked the belief that we could turn him around

That to me reinforces the losing culture we have in the joint.

Geelong would have made the Lions pay 2 x 1st rounders otherwise get on your bike.

We rolled over and clearly undervalued him.

 

[noise36]

The point might not be that Freo should be in a GF, just that Brisbane's young players performed extremely well at this level and therefore people saying that our age is the main reason why we missed the 8 - a much lower bar than a granny - are wrong. It's a fair point IMO.

Lions won the GF because they have a core of seasoned veterans playing together for an extended period with some quality youth added. i.e. 4th most experienced team!

We missed the 8 because we are too young and inexperienced and were missing too many key players to cover for that with only North Melbourne having a less experienced team in 2024. i.e. 17/18 least experienced.

I would hazard a guess that no team in the history of the AFL has won a flag with that profile?

 

[Joao]

Lions won the GF because they are have a core of seasoned veterans playing together for an extended period with some quality youth added. i.e. 4th most experienced team!

We missed the 8 because we are too young and inexperienced and were missing too many key players to cover for that with only North Melbourne have a less experienced team in 2024. i.e. 17/18 least experienced.

I would hazard a guess that no team in the history of the AFL has won a flag with that profile?

It's been done, but its not common. The main reason I think we couldn't do it is that our old players are nowhere near good enough. Geelong and Pies have multiple high-performing 30+ players. We have precisely zero. Ours play more like 40 gamers.

It annoys me so much how little we get from most veterans with a few notable exceptions.

 

[Dockeroo]

It's been done, but its not common. The main reason I think we couldn't do it is that our old players are nowhere near good enough. Geelong and Pies have multiple high-performing 30+ players. We have precisely zero. Ours play more like 40 gamers.

It annoys me so much how little we get from most veterans with a few notable exceptions.

I’m convinced it’s a Perth location thing.
220 games out of Perth has the same toll on the body as 300 plus out of Melbourne.

It’s not much different across town at Lathlain.

And that’s been the case for many years now, it’s not a recent phenomenon.
There are a few exceptions to the rule but not many.

 

[Joao]

I’m convinced it’s a Perth location thing.
220 games out of Perth has the same toll on the body as 300 plus out of Melbourne.

It’s not much different across town at Lathlain.

And that’s been the case for many years now, it’s not a recent phenomenon.
There are a few exceptions to the rule but not many.

Yeah that's my worry, because there is nothing we can do about it.

 

[chaosball32]

It's been done, but its not common. The main reason I think we couldn't do it is that our old players are nowhere near good enough. Geelong and Pies have multiple high-performing 30+ players. We have precisely zero. Ours play more like 40 gamers.

It annoys me so much how little we get from most veterans with a few notable exceptions.

I think it’s both. I could not imagine any of our 18-22 year old players standing up and performing in a Grand Final like Ashcroft and Lohmann did yesterday. We have the talent but they lack the mentality and all seem to go to water in those big moments/games.

But then like you said, our older guys, who I put more of the onus on because they are supposed to be the seasoned vets, just do not stand up either. O’Meara, Fyfe, Walters, Aish, Ryan for example. Zorko is older then all of them and I’d rate him higher not only for on-field leadership but also performing at a higher level and doesn’t go to complete shit when the game gets hot and can handle those moments, because that’s what an experienced player is supposed to do.

Basically what I’m trying to say is we really lack big game players

 

[chaosball32]

Zorko in an interview after the game yesterday said during the mid-season bye that him, Daniher and Lester sat down with Andrews and discussed whether it was time for them to step aside and play the younger players. Obviously they decided against it to have one more crack at a flag and it paid off, but the fact is they were self-aware enough to have those discussions and put the teams interests before themselves.

Could you imagine O’Meara, Fyfe, and Walters for example sitting down and having a conversation like that with Pearce? I couldn’t imagine it but those discussions absolutely should be had. Because the Brisbane players I mentioned were still having more of an impact than the Freo guys I mentioned.

 

[Dockeroo]

Yeah that's my worry, because there is nothing we can do about it.

Think it just means our window is narrower. All the more reason to trade picks and trade well.

 

[BStaff17]

Zorko in an interview after the game yesterday said during the mid-season bye that him, Daniher and Lester sat down with Andrews and discussed whether it was time for them to step aside and play the younger players. Obviously they decided against it to have one more crack at a flag and it paid off, but the fact is they were self-aware enough to have those discussions and put the teams interests before themselves.

Could you imagine O’Meara, Fyfe, and Walters for example sitting down and having a conversation like that with Pearce? I couldn’t imagine it but those discussions absolutely should be had. Because the Brisbane players I mentioned were still having more of an impact than the Freo guys I mentioned.

It's funny when we lost to Essendon which broke our season in that last month and everyone complained how we missed Fyfe that match.

If Fyfe plays we probably win

He is still contributing enough that he isn't a liability.

It's just you need to accept the heights he reached at his peak ain't attainable at his age and the bar has to be slightly lowered.

 

[CapitalA]

It's funny when we lost to Essendon which broke our season in that last month and everyone complained how we missed Fyfe that match.

If Fyfe plays we probably win

He is still contributing enough that he isn't a liability.

It's just you need to accept the heights he reached at his peak ain't attainable at his age and the bar has to be slightly lowered.

But they were wrong, it was because Treacy got injured in the 3rd quarter.

 

[Docker82]

Zorko in an interview after the game yesterday said during the mid-season bye that him, Daniher and Lester sat down with Andrews and discussed whether it was time for them to step aside and play the younger players. Obviously they decided against it to have one more crack at a flag and it paid off, but the fact is they were self-aware enough to have those discussions and put the teams interests before themselves.

Could you imagine O’Meara, Fyfe, and Walters for example sitting down and having a conversation like that with Pearce? I couldn’t imagine it but those discussions absolutely should be had. Because the Brisbane players I mentioned were still having more of an impact than the Freo guys I mentioned.

If they had that conversation with Pearce, Brayshaw and Serong (Let’s be honest this is our real leadership group - the others are just there) do you actually think they’d be told to retire anyway? Can’t see it happening myself.

 

[chaosball32]

It's funny when we lost to Essendon which broke our season in that last month and everyone complained how we missed Fyfe that match.

If Fyfe plays we probably win

He is still contributing enough that he isn't a liability.

It's just you need to accept the heights he reached at his peak ain't attainable at his age and the bar has to be slightly lowered.

Disagree, we weren’t necessarily missing Fyfe in particular, but we were missing a bigger body around the contest. To not play Brodie when both Fyfe and Johnson were out was so dumb, and then predictably we got smashed in the midfield and lost the game because of it.

He doesn’t contribute enough to justify not only a list spot but a guaranteed game every week. He’s good for a link in a handball chain every now and again but he’s too slow, can’t burst through packs anymore, too one-dimensional, doesn’t defend etc. People are looking at the player he use to be and using that as justification, and not looking at the player he is now. Hurts me to say because I love him and everything he’s done for our club, but he’s done.

 

[chaosball32]

If they had that conversation with Pearce, Brayshaw and Serong (Let’s be honest this is our real leadership group - the others are just there) do you actually think they’d be told to retire anyway? Can’t see it happening myself.

I’m not necessarily saying retire but step aside and begin to be phased out gradually in favour of the next generation.

Because there is no way O’Meara and Fyfe should have both played 22 games this year.

 

[james haish]

I think it’s both. I could not imagine any of our 18-22 year old players standing up and performing in a Grand Final like Ashcroft and Lohmann did yesterday. We have the talent but they lack the mentality and all seem to go to water in those big moments/games.

But then like you said, our older guys, who I put more of the onus on because they are supposed to be the seasoned vets, just do not stand up either. O’Meara, Fyfe, Walters, Aish, Ryan for example. Zorko is older then all of them and I’d rate him higher not only for on-field leadership but also performing at a higher level and doesn’t go to complete shit when the game gets hot and can handle those moments, because that’s what an experienced player is supposed to do.

Basically what I’m trying to say is we really lack big game players

Brisbane had all these doubts and more up until two years ago, regularly getting thumped in prelims. Our bigger issue is we’re not exposing our players to big games by missing finals.

 

[BStaff17]

Brisbane had all these doubts and more up until two years ago, regularly getting thumped in prelims. Our bigger issue is we’re not exposing our players to big games by missing finals.

This group of Lions players

2019-2021 Brisbane were 1/6 in finals including 2 straight sets exits.

Which also included 4 losses at the Gabba from 5 finals.

Since 2022 they have gone 8 wins and 2 losses and one of those losses was a 5 point loss in a GF.

So the finals experience and hardship they went through has finally toughened them up which had them primed for yesterday.

 

[chaosball32]

Our bigger issue is we’re not exposing our players to big games by missing finals.

100% agree with this, 1 finals series in 9 years is just not good enough as a club.

We have guys like Ryan, Cox, Darcy, Brayshaw, Banfield and Switkowski who are closing in on their 8th and 9th seasons and have only played finals once.

 

[Joao]

I think it’s both. I could not imagine any of our 18-22 year old players standing up and performing in a Grand Final like Ashcroft and Lohmann did yesterday. We have the talent but they lack the mentality and all seem to go to water in those big moments/games.

But then like you said, our older guys, who I put more of the onus on because they are supposed to be the seasoned vets, just do not stand up either. O’Meara, Fyfe, Walters, Aish, Ryan for example. Zorko is older then all of them and I’d rate him higher not only for on-field leadership but also performing at a higher level and doesn’t go to complete shit when the game gets hot and can handle those moments, because that’s what an experienced player is supposed to do.

Basically what I’m trying to say is we really lack big game players

Nah, its not. It is way easier to play well in any team sport when your team is awesome.

Also, when we get free pick 1s, you can expect them to stand up in their 2nd season too.

 

[chaosball32]

Nah, its not. It is way easier to play well in any team sport when your team is awesome.

Also, when we get free pick 1s, you can expect them to stand up in their 2nd season too.

We have plenty of 1st rounders who aren’t standing up. For example Jackson is a pick 3 who’s had an extra 3 years of development on Ashcroft and I’ve yet to see him impact a big game in the way Ashcroft did yesterday.

And Lohmann who was taken pick 20 in 2021. In that draft we took Erasmus at pick 10 who can’t get a game, and Johnson at pick 21 who doesn’t hold a candle to Lohmann.

 

[dont bowl there]

We have plenty of 1st rounders who aren’t standing up. For example Jackson is a pick 3 who’s had an extra 3 years of development on Ashcroft and I’ve yet to see him impact a big game in the way Ashcroft did yesterday.

Did you miss the 2021 Grand Final? He wasn't norm but he absolutely was one that changed that game.

 

[chaosball32]

Did you miss the 2021 Grand Final? He wasn't norm but he absolutely was one that changed that game.

My bad, I’ve yet to see him impact a big game for Freo