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1892 said:
With all talent GWS is pulling from the Riverina I'm glad Richmond don't have the same access, but does anyone else think it odd that on one side of the Murray GWS can take anyone and on the other side Richmond can only take kids from a non English speaking background?

Strange difference a few metres of water can make.
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Wonder IF any Families have moved Recently up there;)
 
I am afraid it is not about promoting the game in the Barkly region, unless your talking about recruiting live stock, kangaroos, emus and the odd goanna. The region has a population of 8000 odd that have two legs and can walk upright plus they more than likely already love our game of football. It will be about opportunity.
 
TradeDraft said:
So how did we get Oakleigh?

Then how did the NT Zones where Decided?
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In terms Oakleigh they're aligned with Port Melbourne, who have no AFL connection, similarly Bendigo, Murray and Gippsland. I don't know how they were determined between us, Richmond and Hawthorn.

Essendon have always been big in the NT and Tiwi Islands, so I'm not surprised there, Melbourne play games in the NT and I remember Hawthorn doing community stuff, so both have some connection. Geelong and us no idea, but I'm glad we managed to score an indigenous zone.
 

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1892 said:
In terms Oakleigh they're aligned with Port Melbourne, who have no AFL connection, similarly Bendigo, Murray and Gippsland. I don't know how they were determined between us, Richmond and Hawthorn.

Essendon have always been big in the NT and Tiwi Islands, so I'm not surprised there, Melbourne play games in the NT and I remember Hawthorn doing community stuff, so both have some connection. Geelong and us no idea, but I'm glad we managed to score an indigenous zone.
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What does Port Melbourne have to do with Collingwood and Same with Barkly?

I ca see the Essendon and and Melbourne Ones as with there Work Up There.

I am also glared we got a NT Zone but probably sounding like the Worse one though:cry:
 
RAdm said:
I am afraid it is not about promoting the game in the Barkly region, unless your talking about recruiting live stock, kangaroos, emus and the odd goanna. The region has a population of 8000 odd that have two legs and can walk upright plus they more than likely already love our game of football. It will be about opportunity.
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Yeah but it gives them a pathway to the AFL so all of a sudden more kids are interested in playing, interest in watching AFL goes up instead of NTFL and clubs establish real links with communities. The odds of an AFL standard player coming out of a community of 8000 is pretty slim.

I come from a town of 20,000 on Melbourne's fringe and an AFL player has never come out of there...
 
sirlothie said:
Yeah but it gives them a pathway to the AFL so all of a sudden more kids are interested in playing, interest in watching AFL goes up instead of NTFL and clubs establish real links with communities. The odds of an AFL standard player coming out of a community of 8000 is pretty slim.

I come from a town of 20,000 on Melbourne's fringe and an AFL player has never come out of there...
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I still think it is more about opportunities.

Gary Dhurrkay and Nathan Djerrkura both from Aboriginal communities around Nhulunbuy, population 4000.
Tiwi Islands population 2500 where the Rioli family comes from.
The McLeod (Andrew) Family and Jed Anderson are from Katherine, population 10000.
Jake Neade is from Elliot population 500 (Barkly). http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...at-the-top-level/story-e6frf9mo-1226639740677
Liam Jarrah, Yuendumu population 1000
Dominic Barry, is another central Australian not certain where he is from.

And i am certain there will be more.
 
Mkcaptain said:
I'm not a fan. I'm also not a fan of the northern academies but I can at least see there is an argument for their existence. What are the actual point of these zones? What are they going to achieve that couldn't be done by the AFL running their own academies?
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Yeah. For me, the academies should be funded by the AFL and all of the talent identified simply siphoned back into the draft. Too much risk here re roll of the dice and real and perceived bias.
 
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It's certainly an interesting discussion though and thanks for the insights of RAdm and @NT_Thunder
 
Wooljay said:
Don't think we need to be complaining, Chargers produce good footballers.

NFI about 'Barkly' though, but system seems interesting.
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3 premierships and one losing GF in the last 5 TAC cup seasons. Must be doing something right!
 

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Kappa said:
Yes but how many players in those premiership teams were "culturally diverse".

We only get access to the indigenous/asian/african players from the chargers, and last time I checked the team was full of white kids
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Smacks of taxonomic headaches, like AFL promoting multicultural round with players of German background. What's the baseline here?

My reading is that it would be first and/or second generation migrants and indigenous players who are not already in a feeder comp/AIS type pathway.

So any hope of leading lights in Barkly sound to me slender. An established player there is likely to be identified and part of the system, ergo to go in the national draft with no discounts.
 
TradeDraft said:
I say did that because Clubs been complaining about the Northern Academies.

Good talent in Barkly Area? noideaatall
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I'm hoping TD and would assume so. Never worked in that area but in the communities south west of there. The raw talent is huge, the physical abilities of the young kids outstanding and unique.

Bay Pie said:
F*** this shit. Get Hine and crew to start identifying the best 12-15 years old in the country that qualify as multi-cultural or indigenous and pay for them to move to our zone in Melbourne or NT. Payments for the academies are outside the cap.
If it's here, whether we like it or not, maximise our opportunity, within those rules. Better to spend the money on this then the Irish type of experiments.
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Agree with the sentiment but it misses the point. The academies, I assume, are about giving young people from these different communities a chance to make it in what is essentially a white anglo world. You can't just pluck a kid from an indigenous community off the street and stick them somewhere else a 1000 km away, with a different language, culture, etc. It would be like grabbing some kid out off Smith street and sticking them in Italy or Brazil simply because they had some talent in soccer.
 
Kappa said:
Yes but how many players in those premiership teams were "culturally diverse".

We only get access to the indigenous/asian/african players from the chargers, and last time I checked the team was full of white kids
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Jay Kennedy Harris is the only one I can remember in recent times lol.
 
jjsmitty8 said:
Jay Kennedy Harris is the only one I can remember in recent times lol.
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There are a few other Chargers from recent years who may have qualified under the multicultural rules, depending on how that's defined, in addition to JKH:

Zac Clarke (father is African-American)
Lin Jong (Taiwanese/Chinese-Timorese background)
Ryan Lester (parents from South Africa & UK)
Robin Nahas (Lebanese background)
Alex Morgan (just drafted by Essendon, parents are Indian, I believe)

That said, if "multicultural" means born overseas, then we're going to have our work cut out for us, trying to get more recent immigrants involved in the game.
 
noideaatall said:
Agree with the sentiment but it misses the point. The academies, I assume, are about giving young people from these different communities a chance to make it in what is essentially a white anglo world. You can't just pluck a kid from an indigenous community off the street and stick them somewhere else a 1000 km away, with a different language, culture, etc. It would be like grabbing some kid out off Smith street and sticking them in Italy or Brazil simply because they had some talent in soccer.
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I understand that and don't disagree. I talking about purely from our own clubs perspective and how we could maximise our opportunities.

E.g. Identify a gun kid from Darwin. Tell him to move to Tennant Creek, and we'll look after him and his family financially. I believe Cyril Rioli moved from Darwin to a College in Melbourne where he boarded successfully for a year or 2 before being drafted. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong. No doubt it wont suit every kid and you'll have some go back home but it's worth a shot, IMO, if the talent is there.
 
Bay Pie said:
I understand that and don't disagree. I talking about purely from our own clubs perspective and how we could maximise our opportunities.

E.g. Identify a gun kid from Darwin. Tell him to move to Tennant Creek, and we'll look after him and his family financially. I believe Cyril Rioli moved from Darwin to a College in Melbourne where he boarded successfully for a year or 2 before being drafted. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong. No doubt it wont suit every kid and you'll have some go back home but it's worth a shot, IMO, if the talent is there.
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There may be a residency/tenure type rule BP.
Listening to Denham on SEN this morning it appears the finer details are still be be announced, the AFL yesterday were just announcing the Zones, Funding and concept with more detail to follow.
But your point is valid, it could be open to manipulation is not policed properly
 
Baltimore Jack said:
There may be a residency/tenure type rule BP.
Listening to Denham on SEN this morning it appears the finer details are still be be announced, the AFL yesterday were just announcing the Zones, Funding and concept with more detail to follow.
But your point is valid, it could be open to manipulation is not policed properly
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Did he say what be Announced?

Yeah, We got just the Announcment but not rules about the Zones
 
Seedsfan said:
How it works at the moment is if one of your parents are born overseas you qualify to be part of a multicultural squad
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Not Sure have to wait for Rules about from the AFL guess when they sort out all Teams Zones
 

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