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WADA finds high tb4 levels in Bombers pair.

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Nothing new to say. But this is great news!!!

If it is exogenous TB4 and that is proven then the case of doping is shown. And 2 players = not isolated by accident to one player. Which might just lead to the need for records being made redundant. In other words, SHOW TIME
 

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Dr Tigris said:
Nothing new to say. But this is great news!!!

If it is exogenous TB4 and that is proven then the case of doping is shown. And 2 players = not isolated by accident to one player. Which might just lead to the need for records being made redundant. In other words, SHOW TIME
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So disappointing you have been listening to the media and Sam Mitchell's lies and propaganda.
 
sonnywalters said:
What principles?
Standing up for principles was only a viable option if you could back it up with credible records and invoices. You couldn't. So the principles had zero foundation. You didnt have records and invoices two years ago and you wont have them now. You cannot be 'justified.' The circumstantial evidence is strong enough. You are living in a fantasy world if you think there is going to be some kind of miraculous salvation experience. Salvation plots are part of movies and books but it wont be happening in real life.
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It is no secret that we lost our documentation, that was very unfortunate for the club - as this would've cleared us sooner. It seems implausible in hindsight, but prior to this drug saga, EFC wouldn't be the only club to lose documentation. So while it might seem slippery due to the situation we are currently facing, at the time it could very well of been quite common. So to them deem a club guilty off the back of lost documents - would not be practical, or in line with a fair process. EFC deserves a fair process.
 
SonOfurX said:
It is no secret that we lost our documentation, that was very unfortunate for the club - as this would've cleared us sooner. It seems implausible in hindsight, but prior to this drug saga, EFC wouldn't be the only club to lose documentation. So while it might seem slippery due to the situation we are currently facing, at the time it could very well of been quite common. So to them deem a club guilty off the back of lost documents - would not be practical, or in line with a fair process. EFC deserves a fair process.
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LOL. That is all
 
SonOfurX said:
It is no secret that we lost our documentation, that was very unfortunate for the club - as this would've cleared us sooner. It seems implausible in hindsight, but prior to this drug saga, EFC wouldn't be the only club to lose documentation. So while it might seem slippery due to the situation we are currently facing, at the time it could very well of been quite common. So to them deem a club guilty off the back of lost documents - would not be practical, or in line with a fair process. EFC deserves a fair process.
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If you read this imagining Paul Little's voice, it sounds so perfect
 
Blue1980 said:
Well from what I have read Dank seemed to think what was good for horses/dogs was good for humans, so plenty of crossover.
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Relax, there's no long term health impacts from these substances. All known health issues in 80 year old horses, death for example, are pre existing conditions from when they were 25-30 years old.
 
SonOfurX said:
It is no secret that we lost our documentation, that was very unfortunate for the club - as this would've cleared us sooner. It seems implausible in hindsight, but prior to this drug saga, EFC wouldn't be the only club to lose documentation. So while it might seem slippery due to the situation we are currently facing, at the time it could very well of been quite common. So to them deem a club guilty off the back of lost documents - would not be practical, or in line with a fair process. EFC deserves a fair process.
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:drunk:

10/10

Would read again
 
SonOfurX said:
It is no secret that we lost our documentation, that was very unfortunate for the club - as this would've cleared us sooner. It seems implausible in hindsight, but prior to this drug saga, EFC wouldn't be the only club to lose documentation. So while it might seem slippery due to the situation we are currently facing, at the time it could very well of been quite common. So to them deem a club guilty off the back of lost documents - would not be practical, or in line with a fair process. EFC deserves a fair process.
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I want to hear a plausible explanation to how documentation entered in on a computer could be lost. This was from 2012, not 1912. No backups, no saving to a cloud, and mysteriously completely wiped from all backup servers.

I deal with some many companies in my job, and even the absolute worst will generally be able to pull out a backup if they absolutely have to.
 
SonOfurX said:
It is no secret that we lost our documentation, that was very unfortunate for the club - as this would've cleared us sooner. It seems implausible in hindsight, but prior to this drug saga, EFC wouldn't be the only club to lose documentation. So while it might seem slippery due to the situation we are currently facing, at the time it could very well of been quite common. So to them deem a club guilty off the back of lost documents - would not be practical, or in line with a fair process. EFC deserves a fair process.
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It's almost a piss take - like in Little Britain with the pollie who falls over in the urinal resulting with his c&ck in someone's mouth
 

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What constitutes abnormally high.....does it mean its a level or TB4 that your body can't produce naturally ?
If that's the case then the Essendon FC is up sh*t creek.
 
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SonOfurX said:
It is no secret that we lost our documentation, that was very unfortunate for the club - as this would've cleared us sooner. It seems implausible in hindsight, but prior to this drug saga, EFC wouldn't be the only club to lose documentation. So while it might seem slippery due to the situation we are currently facing, at the time it could very well of been quite common. So to them deem a club guilty off the back of lost documents - would not be practical, or in line with a fair process. EFC deserves a fair process.
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Sorry, You lost the documentation. You do realize that is all but impossible to do accidentally. That is all I have to say.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Lol

It's not exactly a secret why Paddy left. I can't help it if you're uninformed.
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Oh, now I get it. After a bit of research I found an old, terminated thread on BF containing unconfirmed rumours from the EFC faithful that Paddy left because he was doing the Duck with some other player's wife.

Rather believe those unsubstantiated rumours from anonymous posters than what a guy who was so highly esteemed for so long at the EFC actually said? OK.
 
Dr Tigris said:
Sorry, You lost the documentation. You do realize that is all but impossible to do accidentally. That is all I have to say.
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the rapid diversification into exotic supplements, sharp increase in frequency of injections, the shift to treatment offsite in alternative medicine clinics, emergence of unfamiliar suppliers, marginalization of traditional medical staff etc combine to create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the Club in the period under review.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-05-06/dr-ziggy-switskowski-report
 
Tiger2709 said:
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ll that really matters is whether CAS believes them.
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absolutely

But I think it's all a bit ironic really. This thread, that is. The hysteria. In Chip's article on this he asserts that this is the only new evidence WADA have presented.

Think about that. Two lines buried in their 100 page statement, as I have been reliably informed.

That's it. One piece of evidence concerning 2 out 42, of potentially elevated levels of a substance that occurs naturally and has no accepted minimum or maximum levels.

And people here are falling over their own slobber trying to paint this as game over.

Like you said, all that matters is what CAS thinks.
 
johnnyscarecrow said:
Oh, now I get it. After a bit of research I found an old, terminated thread on BF containing unconfirmed rumours from the EFC faithful that Paddy left because he was doing the Duck with some other player's wife.

Rather believe those unsubstantiated rumours from anonymous posters than what a guy who was so highly esteemed for so long at the EFC actually said? OK.
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How coincidental



  1. On 2 December Charter returned to Melbourne from Shanghai with the raw material in respect of the first purchase of peptides including Thymosin Beta-4.
  2. On 11 January 2012, Charter forwarded a text message to Dank stating: Which peptides do you need (compounded) next?
  3. In his reply Dank requested “Thymosin Beta 4 and “CJC-1295”
  4. Charter then queried: what sort of quantities?
  5. Dank replied to Charter stating: Thymosin 20 of 5ml vials.
  6. Charter then forwarded a text message to Alavi stating: Hi Mate. Thymosin – 20 x 5ml vials. Steve's request.
  7. On 12 January 2012, Charter emailed a document to both Dank and Alavi which described “How to Use TB-500 (Thymosin Beta 4)”. The document described the optimum means by which to prepare, administer and store Thymosin Beta-4. Within the body of the accompanying email Charter asked Dank to check the document to ensure his concurrence with the protocols suggested “so we can make [the Thymosin Beta-4] up accordingly”. The document contained the statement that it was “For research purposes only”.
  8. Within Charter’s document it is recommended that Thymosin Beta-4 be administered subcutaneously, at the optimum frequency of “one vial per [subcutaneous] injection per week for 6 consecutive weeks, then 1 vial per month”. The frequency rate of administration for ‘Thymosin’ on the players’ “Patient Information/Informed Consent’ form is ‘1 Thymosin injection once a week for six weeks and then 1 injection per month”.
afl.com.au
 
johnnyscarecrow said:
Oh, now I get it. After a bit of research I found an old, terminated thread on BF containing unconfirmed rumours from the EFC faithful that Paddy left because he was doing the Duck with some other player's wife.

Rather believe those unsubstantiated rumours from anonymous posters than what a guy who was so highly esteemed for so long at the EFC actually said? OK.
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Blood in blood out at Essendon.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
absolutely

But I think it's all a bit ironic really. This thread, that is. The hysteria. In Chip's article on this he asserts that this is the only new evidence WADA have presented.

Think about that. Two lines buried in their 100 page statement, as I have been reliably informed.

That's it. One piece of evidence concerning 2 out 42, of potentially elevated levels of a substance that occurs naturally and has no accepted minimum or maximum levels.

And people here are falling over their own slobber trying to paint this as game over.

Like you said, all that matters is what CAS thinks.
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What bout this one


NM: Did you see any indications in Essendon players that tb4 actually helped them?

Dank: Well apart from the fact they won 11 out of their first 14, right, and we did regular bloods [blood tests] . . . at the end of the day I was very happy with the science, I was very happy after working a long time in football, right, that there are periods of malaise which are possibly related to sub-clinical flus and sub-clinical colds, right, which can affect performance. When we want to be honest, Nick, how much performance data is there out there on Actovegin [calf's blood extract)]

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html#ixzz2nL3jfnES
 
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Lance Uppercut said:
absolutely

But I think it's all a bit ironic really. This thread, that is. The hysteria. In Chip's article on this he asserts that this is the only new evidence WADA have presented.

Think about that. Two lines buried in their 100 page statement, as I have been reliably informed.

That's it. One piece of evidence concerning 2 out 42, of potentially elevated levels of a substance that occurs naturally and has no accepted minimum or maximum levels.

And people here are falling over their own slobber trying to paint this as game over.

Like you said, all that matters is what CAS thinks.
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I love how Essendon people latch on to things that suit them.

I noticed Tim Watson also said that this evidence was buried in the middle somewhere.


What do you and Tim expect? Should they put it in bold, or extra large font? Should it be on the front page?


What relevance does the length or placement of this in the brief of evidence have?
 

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