2nds WAFL / Beagles Watch 2023

[Dark Sharks]

So to build on last week's promising games from Hewett, Chesser and Burgiel...

This week.... Hewett is dead, Burgiel disappears completely without explanation (now supposedly a hammy... again), and Chesser looks miles off the pace again?

Fold this darn club. Fold it good.

 

[Cuzz09]

whatever doesn't kill you makes you Stronger.

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[Truckosaurus]

Fold this darn club. Fold it good.

Fold it, burn it, relaunch as Perth Phoenix rising from the ashes resplendent in ochre (no feathers on jumper).

 

[LittleFires]

So to build on last week's promising games from Hewett, Chesser and Burgiel...

This week.... Hewett is dead, Burgiel disappears completely without explanation (now supposedly a hammy... again), and Chesser looks miles off the pace again?

Fold this darn club. Fold it good.

I didn't think Chesser was that bad personally. He's clearly still figuring out how to use his pace in the game but he got more of the ball this week and did a couple of nice things.

Seems like a guy who really needs a block of WAFL games though. Hopefully in the coming weeks he can consistently rack up 20+ disposals.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Best thing I've seen from Chesser at WAFL level was when he got pinged HTB last week and instantly punched the ground in frustration.

Shows he actually gives a ****.

You can see the player he's "supposed" to be a bit more at WAFL level so there's that. Carries the ball a bit more, tries to get through tackles, kicks it long. A metres gained type.

At AFL level, god knows what role they've actually got him doing or why he was drafted for. Gimp Marsden defensive wing role i guess. Looks a mile off the pace compared to any of our other recent draftees.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Oh god. Every team bar us is going to have a % over 100 thanks to the thrashings handed out to us.

This doesn't work. You can't develop as a kid if you're getting flogged every week.

 

[jesterwester]

In fairness to the WAFL side, there should be more fringe AFL types alongside our players to balance it out.

We haven’t had the luxury this season to ease players like Shuey or Yeo back from injury or send players down to find form because our priority is just to get a full 22 on the park at AFL level.

It isn’t just the volume of injury either. It’s also the calibre of those injured. Guys that would normally have to force their way in via strong WAFL form have had no choice but to step up at AFL level before they are ready.

All of that has clearly had an impact, and ideally the old model where we played our players across the league would be better this year for our development of the younger players.

But I don’t think it’s an error with the alignment as much as just a complete cluster of Covid & our ridiculous injury run over the last 3 years. We were competitive in pre-season because we had a mix of guys in the 22-30 range alongside our youth.

 

[Dark Sharks]

This doesn't work. You can't develop as a kid if you're getting flogged every week.

Jack Williams and Jamieson need to sue the club for the poorest of development environments as a tall on an AFL list amirite!

Imagine how Jilliams would go playing for an actual competitive club in a competitive league, rather than a shambles.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

In fairness to the WAFL side, there should be more fringe AFL types alongside our players to balance it out.

We haven’t had the luxury this season to ease players like Shuey or Yeo back from injury or send players down to find form because our priority is just to get a full 22 on the park at AFL level.

It isn’t just the volume of injury either. It’s also the calibre of those injured. Guys that would normally have to force their way in via strong WAFL form have had no choice but to step up at AFL level before they are ready.

All of that has clearly had an impact, and ideally the old model where we played our players across the league would be better this year for our development of the younger players.

But I don’t think it’s an error with the alignment as much as just a complete cluster of Covid & our ridiculous injury run over the last 3 years. We were competitive in pre-season because we had a mix of guys in the 22-30 range alongside our youth.

We're hamstrung because we can't recruit WAFL players unless they're previously AFL listed or retired from the WAFL previously. But they still would have no reason to play in a team that loses by 100 points every week unless we offer them a job at the club like Nelson lol. Wouldn't be a surprise if Alec Waterman is employed by the club as well.

Recruiting rules finalised for West Coast WAFL team

The West Australian Football Commission, in consultation with the WAFL Clubs and West Coast Eagles, has finalised details regarding Total Player Payments and Players Points allocations for West Coast’s WAFL team in 2019 WAFC Executive Manager Talent and Football Operations Scott Baker said West...

www.wafootball.com.au

According to this we can also recruit from interstate state leagues. Dunno if they've tried to do this or not.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

First of all we can't recruit WAFL players unless they're previously AFL listed or retired from the WAFL previously. But they still would have no reason to play in a team that loses by 100 points every week unless we offer them a job at the club like Nelson lol. Wouldn't be a surprise if Alec Waterman is employed by the club as well.

Recruiting rules finalised for West Coast WAFL team

The West Australian Football Commission, in consultation with the WAFL Clubs and West Coast Eagles, has finalised details regarding Total Player Payments and Players Points allocations for West Coast’s WAFL team in 2019 WAFC Executive Manager Talent and Football Operations Scott Baker said West...

www.wafootball.com.au

According to this we can also recruit from interstate state leagues. Dunno if they've tried to do this or not.

The whole thing is idiotic.

I don't understand how Fremantle can align with Peel, but if WCE creates a dedicated team, the rules are suddenly different? It makes no sense. The lack of Colts and Reserves teams is particularly problematic.

I think Will Schofield's comments that the WAFL team doesn't feel like a real team is telling.

 

[amazingjoshy]

The whole thing is idiotic.

I don't understand how Fremantle can align with Peel, but if WCE creates a dedicated team, the rules are suddenly different? It makes no sense. The lack of Colts and Reserves teams is particularly problematic.

I think Will Schofield's comments that the WAFL team doesn't feel like a real team is telling.

The best bit is, all indications so far is the club is going to persist with it for next year

Maybe it will work this time (and if it doesn't its bad luck and the other wafl clubs faults)

 

[Monocle]

Why do our fast players have chronic hamstring issues

Should be asking this guy.





Seems to have more lives than a cat.

 

[WCErevival]

Should be asking this guy.



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Seems to have more lives than a cat.

Have we had an above average number of injuries for 15 years though?

 

[jesterwester]

First of all we can't recruit WAFL players unless they're previously AFL listed or retired from the WAFL previously. But they still would have no reason to play in a team that loses by 100 points every week unless we offer them a job at the club like Nelson lol. Wouldn't be a surprise if Alec Waterman is employed by the club as well.

Recruiting rules finalised for West Coast WAFL team

The West Australian Football Commission, in consultation with the WAFL Clubs and West Coast Eagles, has finalised details regarding Total Player Payments and Players Points allocations for West Coast’s WAFL team in 2019 WAFC Executive Manager Talent and Football Operations Scott Baker said West...

www.wafootball.com.au

According to this we can also recruit from interstate state leagues. Dunno if they've tried to do this or not.

I know we have been making enquires of footballers around the place.. Someone I know got called personally by the club to ask if he’d come back and play WAFL for us.

Not an attractive option for anyone, really.

However, I did mean the guys that should be on the fringe of our AFL side, those guys in the 25-35 range. On any given week our WAFL side should be playing 6-7 in that range, accounting for injuries and held over emergencies. This year they’ve had none.

 

[MrWoollie]

Oh god. Every team bar us is going to have a % over 100 thanks to the thrashings handed out to us.

This doesn't work. You can't develop as a kid if you're getting flogged every week.
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Thank Dog for the good 'ol Perth Demons.

Rubbish since the 1970's, irrelevant forever (what a great club slogan).

 

[InTheWings]

As much as everyone hates Suma it's still one of my goals to get a photo with him.

He was my all time favourite player and a gun FF back in the day.

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Whilst I don't agree with the content of a lot of his articles, I still have respect for him as a player.

I went to a professional development workshop when Suma was working at Freo. He spoke for 20 minutes, about 18 of which he spoke about West Coast. He bled blue and gold, even whilst wearing purple.

 

[CountryLad]

Just a question for the WAFL nuffies out there.
If Shuey, Hurn or lets just go left field and say Mundy were brought in to the club as development coaches but part of that role would be to play Beagles and be on field coaches would that come under the WAFL Eagles player payments or any player point allocations?
There pay would be to be an Eagles development coach but play for the WAFL side on Saturday no match payment.

 

[DanWCE]

Just a question for the WAFL nuffies out there.
If Shuey, Hurn or lets just go left field and say Mundy were brought in to the club as development coaches but part of that role would be to play Beagles and be on field coaches would that come under the WAFL Eagles player payments or any player point allocations?
There pay would be to be an Eagles development coach but play for the WAFL side on Saturday no match payment.

Schoey signed a $0 contract to play, so it must be possible in some capacity. If he is paid for his media segments under the media/marketing cap it's not really much different

 

[kane249]

We had Drew Petrie

Drew Petrie

Age

42

Ht

197cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

1.2

2star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.0

1star

do this a few years ago as well

 

[ziad]

After watching the WAFL stream a few times now- it is beyong a joke. Far worse that I felt on the surface. The skill and style of play destroys and hope of development, particularly for forwards. A bold decision must be made.

 

[Keys]

After watching the WAFL stream a few times now- it is beyong a joke. Far worse that I felt on the surface. The skill and style of play destroys and hope of development, particularly for forwards. A bold decision must be made.

And what decision would that be?

Every option available to the club requires either permission and/or cooperation from either the WAFC and/or the WAFL clubs

Disband the standalone team and farm players out to the WAFL clubs - needs the WAFC to set the rules and which players go to which clubs and then WCE have little or no control on how their players are used by each of the 8 WAFL clubs

An alignment model needs a WAFL club to agree to any alignment which I think also needs to be accepted by the other clubs (not that I think they’d oppose if that was the case though)

Bolstering the standalone side needs agreement from the WAFL clubs to increase the recruiting concessions which is something they’ve been very reluctant to do

The club can have a preferred position all it likes but has no direct control over the fate of our reserve players

Somehow they need to put together a proposal that allows them access to better non-AFL listed players so they can still be competitive when injuries impact availability whilst preventing the side from being too strong when there’s good availability

And then get the WAFL clubs to agree to it

Above all else they need to get to the bottom of why we’re getting so many injuries because a rolling injury list of >15 players week to week isn’t sustainable. All of our mistakes, even things that aren’t mistakes as such, are being amplified and exposed by the injury list. Fix S&C and there’ll be improvements everywhere else

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Just a question for the WAFL nuffies out there.
If Shuey, Hurn or lets just go left field and say Mundy were brought in to the club as development coaches but part of that role would be to play Beagles and be on field coaches would that come under the WAFL Eagles player payments or any player point allocations?
There pay would be to be an Eagles development coach but play for the WAFL side on Saturday no match payment.

Top flight players like that generally don't go back and play WAFL... while it is a step down from AFL level, it still requires a certain level of fitness. Most of them are completely spent by the time they retire. And to keep up a WAFL-level of fitness and hold down a job as a development coach... it's a big ask.

Petrie aside, generally, the only time ex-AFL players end up in the WAFL is when their career's are cut short... like Jackson Nelson, or Hamish Brayshaw.

 

[CountryLad]

Top flight players like that generally don't go back and play WAFL... while it is a step down from AFL level, it still requires a certain level of fitness. Most of them are completely spent by the time they retire. And to keep up a WAFL-level of fitness and hold down a job as a development coach... it's a big ask.

Petrie aside, generally, the only time ex-AFL players end up in the WAFL is when their career's are cut short... like Jackson Nelson, or Hamish Brayshaw.

Yeah understand that, was more around if it was actually an option.
The best bet would be hoping the AFL gave us a few extra rookie spots so we could keep possibly a West and Clarke for example on the list purely to help develop our kids a WAFL. Outside of our injury list the most concerning issue is the lack of development our young draftees are getting in an uncompetitive Beagles side.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

So we are down to Chesser, Dewar, Barnett, Maric, Williams and Trew. Good stuff. Fold the club etc.

 

[Keys]

So we are down to Chesser, Dewar, Barnett, Maric, Williams and Trew. Good stuff. Fold the club etc.

It’s worse than that

Assuming all 4 players listed as “Test” are passed fit we have 17 players unavailable- so 27 to choose from

We’ll take 24 to Adelaide (Starting 22 plus sub plus travelling emergency) leaving 3 behind for the Beagles - Dewar and 2 others

Pretty dire

Edit : With Maric we now have 45 on our list not 44, so we will have 28 to select from meaning Dewar and 3 others for the Beagles