wallace is a good Coach

[Bojangles17]

I rate TW as a good coach of the modern game, his lack of progress early in his term can be linked to the chronic under resourcing of the RFC that meant we were effectively competing in an elite competition with one arm tied behind our backs. A one man national recruiting network, Dale weightman as the welfare/player development department...Is it any wonder that we lagged behind Hawthorn. We've been in catch up mode ever since and it's no co-incidence that since addressing these deficincies in recruiting & player development we have began to bridge the gap.

Those encumberances to success have **** all to do with TWs ability to coach, sure he's made a mistake or two, **** me , I've heard Matthews been pilloried in the media in recent times. TW deserves to be left alone for 12 months and just coach, NO more or LESS, just coach the side.

 

[Dave Stevens]

If we improve like we think we should and finish say, sixth next year...what do we do with TW then??

I would suggest that most Tiger fans don't think he'll coach us to a flag, so we have to make a call at some point.

It's almost easier to replace now than in 12 months.
Plenty to weigh up (cost/stability/available replacements), but I don't think the decision will be any easier this time next year that's all...

 

[IDGAF]

I rate TW as a good coach of the modern game, his lack of progress early in his term can be linked to the chronic under resourcing of the RFC that meant we were effectively competing in an elite competition with one arm tied behind our backs. A one man national recruiting network, Dale weightman as the welfare/player development department...Is it any wonder that we lagged behind Hawthorn. We've been in catch up mode ever since and it's no co-incidence that since addressing these deficincies in recruiting & player development we have began to bridge the gap.

Those encumberances to success have **** all to do with TWs ability to coach, sure he's made a mistake or two, **** me , I've heard Matthews been pilloried in the media in recent times. TW deserves to be left alone for 12 months and just coach, NO more or LESS, just coach the side.

One cold , hard fact that can`t be ignored in all of this is the fact that our time line for improvement as dictated by plough has been spot on to the second ...

And for those that have been around a while and remember probably the most astute poster on this board Weavers very sage words ... he always maintained a couple of years ago that we would go backwards for a couple of years before we saw genuine improvement ... due to the imbalance of our list IE - no players of any speak in the age bracket of 22-27 ....

My gut is plough can coach .... Mark Thompson was in EXACTLY the same boat as Terry ... they reemed the footy dept. almost exactly at the same time in Bombers tenure as we are going through ours ... Geelong held thier nerve and kept their eyes focused on the game plan .

Watching Thurfield , Kel Moore and Mc Guane walk of the field together looked friggin eirily like Scarlett , Harley and Milburn for mine ... we have the talent developing in the guts ... multiple options up forward ...

It is just so hard to make a call Bo.... i really feel Terry is on the outs and by christ it may happen sooner than later , but like i said , my gut is Terry can go on with the job ... i just hope like f...aaark March knows what he is doing

 

[Madtiger2006]

There is no coach in the country who will do as much as Terry can with our list over the next 3-5 years. He knows every player back to front and they know him. Once they have his game plan set in stone, we'll be scary opposition and the Tiger army will be at it's peak and be similar in size to Collingwoods army. I'm tired of moronic comments about wanting a new coach. It's almost as embarrassing as our last 25 years. If March has personal problems with Terry, then he should stand down if he love the Tigers and let Terry take control of this great list he is building

 

[Bojangles17]

There is no coach in the country who will do as much as Terry can with our list over the next 3-5 years. He knows every player back to front and they know him. Once they have his game plan set in stone, we'll be scary opposition and the Tiger army will be at it's peak and be similar in size to Collingwoods army. I'm tired of moronic comments about wanting a new coach. It's almost as embarrassing as our last 25 years. If March has personal problems with Terry, then he should stand down if he love the Tigers and let Terry take control of this great list he is building

The syle of play that he has landed is fast and high scoring , provided we fill a couple of holes , it will conitinue to win us more games than we lose

 

[JSFish]

It is just so hard to make a call Bo.... i really feel Terry is on the outs and by christ it may happen sooner than later , but like i said , my gut is Terry can go on with the job ... i just hope like f...aaark March knows what he is doing

This is my worry. Terry obviously knows a shitload more about football than Gary March, hence why he's a coach, and I'm sure he can see where we're going, but if Gary can't - possibly partially blinded by personal bias against Terry - then Terry is in strife. And that's wrong.

 

[maccles_23]

Rod Butters & Grant Thomas all over again, anyone?

I find it comical that over the last 4 years there's been no mention of sacking Terry or putting pressure on him, yet once his team starts to perform on field Big Gazza wants to show him the door!

FFS, you blokes finished dead last last year, this year you missed out by half a game and look like improving massively again next year, why would there be ANY talk of moving Wallace on??

If March wants Terry gone, surely someone needs to step in and show him what's actually happening here..?

Plough's done the hard yards, his side's on the improve, he's about to reap the benefits of 4 hard years and show the Richmond supporters some success, yet he doesn't have the vote of the Prez!? Come on Marchy, get a grip mate, or leave the job and give it to someone who can see what's going on!

 

[Bojangles17]

This is my worry. Terry obviously knows a shitload more about football than Gary March, hence why he's a coach, and I'm sure he can see where we're going, but if Gary can't - possibly partially blinded by personal bias against Terry - then Terry is in strife. And that's wrong.

I dont think it's bias mate, it was a plan and governance that got this club back on its feet from the free wheelin big spending days of CC...discipline keeps it in order...TW wants to step outside of that convention , GM has a role to play in that case

 

[Bojangles17]

Rod Butters & Grant Thomas all over again, anyone?

!

there was a personal undercurrent to that one that involves significant sums of money that i dont believe have been resolved...There was enough material bw those two to fill a Jackie Collins novel...This drama has **** all similaraties...read my other reports for the real deal

 

[deliberate!!]

I rate TW as a good coach of the modern game, his lack of progress early in his term can be linked to the chronic under resourcing of the RFC that meant we were effectively competing in an elite competition with one arm tied behind our backs. A one man national recruiting network, Dale weightman as the welfare/player development department...Is it any wonder that we lagged behind Hawthorn. We've been in catch up mode ever since and it's no co-incidence that since addressing these deficincies in recruiting & player development we have began to bridge the gap.

Those encumberances to success have **** all to do with TWs ability to coach, sure he's made a mistake or two, **** me , I've heard Matthews been pilloried in the media in recent times. TW deserves to be left alone for 12 months and just coach, NO more or LESS, just coach the side.

TW needs to shut up and coach for 12 months for once.
We've let him coach for 4 years now with his gob wide open, and his words not quite matching the results.
When Voss comes out today and says he wants results, Terry on the other hand wants development and a 'strong' finishing 9th. lol

What the heck is a 'strong' 9th.
Don't rap the 'chocolate smelly sausage' in a ribbon Terry.
9th is 9th buddy.

'Strong' 9th is like being 'very' pregnant.....a meaningless and unnecessary description, when in fact the 2nd word is the truth. (9th)

Hey Bojangles, can you promise us no more excuses like this thread in 2009 .....can you promise us that now?
Or do you want an 'extension' on excuses as well?

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Footscray 97/98 board.



Fast Forward 2008 Richmond....
Persisted with Richo-centric gameplan & structure for 3 years when it was clear this has been a flawed tactic since halfway through 2002 ...
Jake King on Corey Jones.
3 1/2 years to finally move Tambling out of the centre square to running off HB
Repeated non-selection of up and comers in favour of tired old proven hacks
Repeated recruiting of soft skinny outside players.
Jordan McMahon for pick 19
One and only "coaching masterstroke" ..first to work out how to counter "Clarko's Cluster" ...

Worst match day coach in the AFL.


Said at start of tenure he would rebuild and we would go backwards for two years and start being a finals contender in 3rd year...Results 11th(fwd 5 spots) , 9th(fwd 2 spots) , 16th(Back 7 spots in supposed first year of being a challenger) , 9th (2nd year of being a "finals side"..still relying on +30 year olds to "win" games)...as his own golden boy Nathan Brown himself admitted...has actually done the opposite of what he said he would do... tried to make finals for first two years....only started serious rebuild in 3rd...and still debuted only one kid this year...still generally shown to be woefully inferior to most top sides, still get hammered by hard disciplined sides like Sydney, North & Adelaide. We still panic far too often which leads to a break down of our skill levels (took Wallace until the end of his 4th year to acknowledge this bleeding obvious fact) are still far to vulnerable on the counter-attack, and still tackle poorly.




Make no mistake he does have talent at his disposal...Collingwood last year , Hawthorn this year..3rd Quarter v Port prove we are not a complete duds and can match it with anyone at our very best...he really should've been able to get more out us by now. We are not Melbourne. The usual suspects will probably "LTAO" ....but I believe we generally have more raw talent than a side like North and are at probably almost the equal talent wise of a declining Sydney and better than Adelaide...yet those sides , as mentioned, all smashed us easily and are playing in the finals this weekend... a good coaching staff get's the very best out of it's list....an old cliche , but like most sayings that become cliches... based on fact....I don't believe Wallace has even come close to achieving that ,we shouldn't still have as many glaring deficiencies as we do.

 

[deliberate!!]

Footscray 97/98 board.



Fast Forward 2008 Richmond....
Persisted with Richo-centric gameplan & structure for 3 years when it was clear this has been a flawed tactic since halfway through 2002 ...
Jake King on Corey Jones.
3 1/2 years to finally move Tambling out of the centre square to running off HB
Repeated non-selection of up and comers in favour of tired old proven hacks
Repeated recruiting of soft skinny outside players.
Jordan McMahon for pick 19
One and only "coaching masterstroke" ..first to work out how to counter "Clarko's Cluster" ...

Worst match day coach in the AFL.


Said at start of tenure he would rebuild and we would go backwards for two years and start being a finals contender in 3rd year...Results 11th(fwd 5 spots) , 9th(fwd 2 spots) , 16th(Back 7 spots in supposed first year of being a challenger) , 9th (2nd year of being a "finals side"..still relying on +30 year olds to "win" games)...as his own golden boy Nathan Brown himself admitted...has actually done the opposite of what he said he would do... tried to make finals for first two years....only started serious rebuild in 3rd...and still debuted only one kid this year...still generally shown to be woefully inferior to most top sides, still get hammered by hard disciplined sides like Sydney, North & Adelaide. We still panic far too often which leads to a break down of our skill levels (took Wallace until the end of his 4th year to acknowledge this bleeding obvious fact) are still far to vulnerable on the counter-attack, and still tackle poorly.




Make no mistake he does have talent at his disposal...Collingwood last year , Hawthorn this year..3rd Quarter v Port prove we are not a complete duds and can match it with anyone at our very best...he really should've been able to get more out us by now. We are not Melbourne. The usual suspects will probably "LTAO" ....but I believe we generally have more raw talent than a side like North and are at probably almost the equal talent wise of a declining Sydney and better than Adelaide...yet those sides , as mentioned, all smashed us easily and are playing in the finals this weekend... a good coaching staff get's the very best out of it's list....an old cliche , but like most sayings that become cliches... based on fact....I don't believe Wallace has even come close to achieving that ,we shouldn't still have as many glaring deficiencies as we do.

Well done Speedy......

 

[deliberate!!]

One cold , hard fact that can`t be ignored in all of this is the fact that our time line for improvement as dictated by plough has been spot on to the second ...

And for those that have been around a while and remember probably the most astute poster on this board Weavers very sage words ... he always maintained a couple of years ago that we would go backwards for a couple of years before we saw genuine improvement ... due to the imbalance of our list IE - no players of any speak in the age bracket of 22-27 ....

My gut is plough can coach .... Mark Thompson was in EXACTLY the same boat as Terry ... they reemed the footy dept. almost exactly at the same time in Bombers tenure as we are going through ours ... Geelong held thier nerve and kept their eyes focused on the game plan .

Watching Thurfield , Kel Moore and Mc Guane walk of the field together looked friggin eirily like Scarlett , Harley and Milburn for mine ... we have the talent developing in the guts ... multiple options up forward ...

It is just so hard to make a call Bo.... i really feel Terry is on the outs and by christ it may happen sooner than later , but like i said , my gut is Terry can go on with the job ... i just hope like f...aaark March knows what he is doing

Terry might get us there IDGAF,
Or it may be a case of someone else getting us to the next stage (after 2009).
And that reality frightens the shit out of some people here.

People must be honest with themselves, and ask themselves that where we are at now, could any of the other coaches got us to this current position? (9th, 2008)
If the answer is yes, then Terry ain't that special.

 

[maccles_23]

I've got one question for the Terry Wallace haters on this board - If not Terry, then who?

All I read on here from some people is how bad of a coach he is, how good he is at spinning the same old crap and how little he's given the club by way of results and improvement, but no one has come out and said who they think could do a better job!

Other than the odd token gesture of "get Sheedy back" or "we need someone like Hardwick" all I read are posts about what Terry's doing wrong!

Give the bloke a break, you've gone without success for 25-odd years now, surely 2008 isn't the end of the world, some people on here have short memories - 16th to 9th is fair improvement in my book and should be in anyone else's book. Fair enough if you miss finals next year, then you'll have some sort of basis for your "get rid of terry" campaign, but for now you're trying to make trouble that doesn't need to be made!

I don't even barrack for the Tigers and I can't stand half the garbage that you people come up with regarding your coach, I can't imagine what it must be like for people that actually have a little bit of faith in the bloke!

Does anyone remember how hard Denis Pagan had to work to keep his job, and now that Brett Ratten has come along he's claiming the success/improvement for himself. Surely any true tiger would like to see Terry Wallace finish of what he's started to create instead of him doing the hard yards with a nothing list, getting it into some sort of shape and position to have a crack at the ultimate prize, then getting moved on for the "saviour" (whoever he is) to come in and take advantage of all the work that's been done before him?!

Anyone who came to the club now, after the last 4 years of Terry's work would look to be a better coach because he's got a ready made list, Terry hasn't had that and only now has his work started to show - just be patient, you're moving in the right direction!

 

[nut]

Make no mistake he does have talent at his disposal...Collingwood last year , Hawthorn this year..3rd Quarter v Port prove we are not a complete duds and can match it with anyone at our very best...he really should've been able to get more out us by now.

This Talent you talk of???? where did this Talent come from???? Who recruited this Talent????

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

This Talent you talk of???? where did this Talent come from???? Who recruited this Talent????

It's all very well to be able to find gold nuggets ...but once you find them , you should use them to make a down payment on a nice house rather merely have them sitting around as fancy foot rests in the living room of your housing commission fibro.

 

[xfacta]

Bottom line, we let him finish what he started.
Hated watching the team go backwards at 1st but it has improved this year.
If it looks like a middle order finish next year then show him the door. I'm tipping by June next year we'll have a definate answer on which way to go...

 

[nut]

It's all very well to be able to find gold nuggets ...but once you find them , you should use them to make a down payment on a nice house rather merely have them sitting around as fancy foot rests in the living room of your housing commission fibro.

The are all still VERY young... inconsistency will plague us for a few seasons yet.

 

[froars]

I rate TW as a good coach of the modern game, his lack of progress early in his term can be linked to the chronic under resourcing of the RFC that meant we were effectively competing in an elite competition with one arm tied behind our backs. A one man national recruiting network, Dale weightman as the welfare/player development department...Is it any wonder that we lagged behind Hawthorn. We've been in catch up mode ever since and it's no co-incidence that since addressing these deficincies in recruiting & player development we have began to bridge the gap.

Those encumberances to success have **** all to do with TWs ability to coach, sure he's made a mistake or two, **** me , I've heard Matthews been pilloried in the media in recent times. TW deserves to be left alone for 12 months and just coach, NO more or LESS, just coach the side.

You think March is doing a good job and now you admit you think TW is a good coach in the modern game.

Both of them appear to hate each other and this town ain't big enough for both of them and one of them has to go.

Which one, Bojangles?

 

[tony_montana]

I've got one question for the Terry Wallace haters on this board - If not Terry, then who?

All I read on here from some people is how bad of a coach he is, how good he is at spinning the same old crap and how little he's given the club by way of results and improvement, but no one has come out and said who they think could do a better job!

Other than the odd token gesture of "get Sheedy back" or "we need someone like Hardwick" all I read are posts about what Terry's doing wrong!

Give the bloke a break, you've gone without success for 25-odd years now, surely 2008 isn't the end of the world, some people on here have short memories - 16th to 9th is fair improvement in my book and should be in anyone else's book. Fair enough if you miss finals next year, then you'll have some sort of basis for your "get rid of terry" campaign, but for now you're trying to make trouble that doesn't need to be made!

I don't even barrack for the Tigers and I can't stand half the garbage that you people come up with regarding your coach, I can't imagine what it must be like for people that actually have a little bit of faith in the bloke!

Does anyone remember how hard Denis Pagan had to work to keep his job, and now that Brett Ratten has come along he's claiming the success/improvement for himself. Surely any true tiger would like to see Terry Wallace finish of what he's started to create instead of him doing the hard yards with a nothing list, getting it into some sort of shape and position to have a crack at the ultimate prize, then getting moved on for the "saviour" (whoever he is) to come in and take advantage of all the work that's been done before him?!

Anyone who came to the club now, after the last 4 years of Terry's work would look to be a better coach because he's got a ready made list, Terry hasn't had that and only now has his work started to show - just be patient, you're moving in the right direction!

well said mate

couldnt agree more

 

[Bojangles17]

You think March is doing a good job and now you admit you think TW is a good coach in the modern game.

Both of them appear to hate each other and this town ain't big enough for both of them and one of them has to go.

Which one, Bojangles?

good question froars...Ive had messages for both...For TW, work within the parameters that have been set...that is the Plan and the fiscal disciplines that will spare us from the CC days...For GM , let him coach, provide the necessary space and environment that is conducive to perform at a high level.
There you go ****en EASY

 

[CoggaRules]

One cold , hard fact that can`t be ignored in all of this is the fact that our time line for improvement as dictated by plough has been spot on to the second ...

And for those that have been around a while and remember probably the most astute poster on this board Weavers very sage words ... he always maintained a couple of years ago that we would go backwards for a couple of years before we saw genuine improvement ... due to the imbalance of our list IE - no players of any speak in the age bracket of 22-27 ....

My gut is plough can coach .... Mark Thompson was in EXACTLY the same boat as Terry ... they reemed the footy dept. almost exactly at the same time in Bombers tenure as we are going through ours ... Geelong held thier nerve and kept their eyes focused on the game plan .

Watching Thurfield , Kel Moore and Mc Guane walk of the field together looked friggin eirily like Scarlett , Harley and Milburn for mine ... we have the talent developing in the guts ... multiple options up forward ...

It is just so hard to make a call Bo.... i really feel Terry is on the outs and by christ it may happen sooner than later , but like i said , my gut is Terry can go on with the job ... i just hope like f...aaark March knows what he is doing

on the same wavelength there ID. The most pleasing aspect from this whole season for me is that these guys are forming into one mother****ing formidable unit. They have played together now for the best part of a season.
They know each other like the back of their hands. And the absolute best part of the whole deal is that they arent there to look good and lairise, the three of them are like commandos, lead by their leader and organiser and head thumper in Thursty. He might not be a hard thug on the surface, but boy when hits a pack he makes sure that there are a few heads between his arm and the ball which he is punching. ****ing fearless to the max. He hits it with the his whole body, taking anything in his way, out. The same with McGuane with Moore adding the polish.
That aint our problem, the problem is at the other end of the ground. The end.

 

[froars]

I think March has done a good job financially, and probably in other areas. But it's been a long time since we've had a good coach, and becuase Wallace appears to have gotten rid of the deadwood, and is now getting some progress with some really "young" kids, i think you could probably replace March easier than Wallace.

I think we've seen so much pain in the past 28 years with coaches that if you get one that's recognised as doing a reasonable job, it'd be hard to want to say goodbye to. Presidents, on the other hand, well are just supporters like you and me if it comes down to it. There are people out there that could probably do the job as well, it's just identifying them or having them put their hand up.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Yes he is a good coach , unfortunately his list management and recruiting is questionable..
Not hard to look promising and young when you consistently finsih in the bottom half of the ladder..
Taking influence over recruiting from him is clearly the right thing , ultimately if this results in better players Wallace will obviously benefit from this...

 

[Jurica Stockade]

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