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Did I, please show me where I said it was Israeli law?
Stop making things up to suit arguments Zidane
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Stop making things up to suit arguments Zidane
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Are you denying that Israel is an apartheid regime?
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So after 12 months of rhetoric, it turns out Netanyahu is the guy that keeps hiding in bunkers and tunnels?
While Sinwar was fighting on the front lines?
Question everything!
While Sinwar was fighting on the front lines?
Question everything!
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Considering two international legal bodies that looked into it this year (ICJ and CERD) both stopped short of finding Israel responsible for apartheid could you blame someone for not using that term?
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What exactly do you mean by stopped short?
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It's okay you haven't read or understood the advisory opinion, you live in headlines so you probably think the ICJ advisory opinion explicitly found Israel guilty of the crime of apartheid, but they didn't.
Why are you linking to the OHCHR press release rather than the ICJ opinion itself?
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Are you still relying on cherrypicked comments from one specific judge, as opposed to the majority opinion?
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Just a casual murder of an old lady picking olives by our friends the IDF
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lol you can't make this up... GP accuses me of relying on cherrypicked comments from a specific judge... then quotes the declaration of a single judge that's in the annex of the summary while claiming it was the majority opinion.Are you still relying on cherrypicked comments from one specific judge, as opposed to the majority opinion?
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Go back to reading headlines, GP. That is the declaration of President Salam. If you read my original post on the ICJ advisory opinion you would know I addressed the fact that him and another judge interpreted the violation of article 3 of CERD as tantamount apartheid, whereas two other judges who specifically referenced apartheid did not and gave excellent explanations as to why the advisory opinion cannot be interpreted as the court finding Israel responsible for apartheid.
Whats more, why do you think Judge Salam is saying "tantamount to the crime of apartheid" rather than actually saying that it is apartheid? Might it be the fact that they didn't even discuss Israel's specific intent in the body of the opinion? That's an extremely important part of the legal definition of apartheid. That's why the body of the advisory opinion stopped short of calling it apartheid. They wouldn't have got a majority if they did. That's also why they found Israel violated article 3 of CERD instead of using the legal definition of the crime of apartheid.
Sorry, you're just wrong.
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Yes, but not the same as. Why do you think Judge Salam used that word? Do you think he made a mistake? Why didn't the body of the opinion discuss specific intent at all? Does that tell you something about the finding? Why did it find Isreal breached article 3 of CERD instead of the crime of apartheid?
I've done the reading and understand the opinion. You're going to need to do a lot better than this to show how I am wrong. I'm pretty certain I'm not wrong though, but good luck.
This is not to say that the ICJ advisory opinion is not a damning document for Israel, it is and I learned a lot from reading it. I think you can make a decent case that Israel is guilty of apartheid in the West Bank, but neither the ICJ or CERD have reached that conclusion.
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I appreciate the effort you've put in, but I think I'll defer back to the United Nations with their expert summary.
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And this is one of the reasons why you will remain not very informed on any topic you discuss.
In seriousness, do you not think it's a problem that you are unwilling to actually engage with ICJ opinion? I know you can try and meme your way out of everything, but shouldn't you have an understanding of what you are talking about?
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And this is one of the reasons why you will remain not very informed on any topic you discuss.
In seriousness, do you not think it's a problem that you are unwilling to actually engage with ICJ opinion? I know you can try and meme your way out of everything, but shouldn't you have an understanding of what you are talking about?
The United Nations have highly qualified legal scholars that engage with ICJ opinion on my behalf.
I encourage you to contact them directly in relation to your concerns https://www.ohchr.org/en/contact-us
