Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[Zidane98]

That's an epic rant.

Maybe look at the fact that Iran, Hamas main backer outright declares it wants Israel wiped off the face of the earth. It makes no effort to defend Gaza, it's support is focused solely on the destruction of Israel.

Ukraine's backers send defensive weapons to mitigate Russia's massive cruise missile bombardments.

 

[Kurve]

That's an epic rant.

Maybe look at the fact that Iran, Hamas main backer outright declares it wants Israel wiped off the face of the earth. It makes no effort to defend Gaza, it's support is focused solely on the destruction of Israel.

Ukraine's backers send defensive weapons to mitigate Russia's massive cruise missile bombardments.

Iran's Professor Marandi recently said there were concerns about Iranians dying in Syria through the ousting of Assad. Note, they didn't hang around.

Concern for a few dead Iranian soldiers when they've armed and pushed Gazans under Hamas in to a war they couldn't possibly win, couldn't care less for the tens of thousands of dead Gazans.

 

[Jazny]

Israel would continue to kill and kidnap Palestinians with impunity, but at least it was a slow genocide.

Do you worry that statements like this hurt your credibility? You can make a somewhat reasonable arguments that Israel is committing genocide now, but prior to October 7th? That's not credible at all.

Israel have never had respect for IHL - why should the people trying to escape their oppression?

That's not true, but if it was and you believed it, then you would have no grounds to criticize Israel over breaches of IHL either since their opponents unquestionably don't care and flaunt and celebrate war crimes. It's disturbing you would even make this argument essentially justifying directly targeting civilians. Will you walk it back? The enemy committing war crimes is not an excuse to do it too. I have called out a pro-Israeli making this argument itt.

Here's an opportunity for faible to denounce someone justifying war crimes, I wonder if he will.

Israel have completely disregarded all requirements of necessity and have been wildly disproportionate in their response. The airwars report figures blow your claims about civilian deaths looking just like Raqqa or Mosul out of the water.

I don't think I've ever mentioned those specific places and the claim I made is that the civilian casualty ratio is about what you would expect in modern urban warfare unfortunately, which looks accurate and I have seen nothing to convince me otherwise. That does not mean I think all strikes were justified and zero war crimes occurred. Just that the numbers look more like an intense war rather than genocide.

If you want a fair fight and IHL compliance - let Palestinians have some tanks, planes and drones.

Yeah I am sure they would use those responsibly

 

[Zidane98]

 

[DapperDon]

Maybe they were pre-empting an attack so defensively sent a few missiles?

 

[Zidane98]

Hopefully there's some truth to this.

 

[Zidane98]

Maybe they were pre-empting an attack so defensively sent a few missiles?

Well their slogan is "God is greatest, death to Israel, curse to the Jews" so their attacks are not surprising.

 

[Kurve]

The former Minister of Environment of Lebanon, he suggests peace with Israel.

 

[DapperDon]

Well their slogan is "God is greatest, death to Israel, curse to the Jews" so their attacks are not surprising.

Yep, slogans such as this or things like "the chosen people" always lead to disaster and bloodshed.

 

[Jazny]

Yep, slogans such as this or things like "the chosen people" always lead to disaster and bloodshed.

Yeah that's right up there with "God is greatest, death to Israel, curse to the Jews" What a comparison.

 

[DapperDon]

Yeah that's right up there with "God is greatest, death to Israel, curse to the Jews" What a comparison.

Sand

 

[faible]

That's an epic rant.

Maybe look at the fact that Iran, Hamas main backer outright declares it wants Israel wiped off the face of the earth. It makes no effort to defend Gaza, it's support is focused solely on the destruction of Israel.

Ukraine's backers send defensive weapons to mitigate Russia's massive cruise missile bombardments.

That's all well and good, but how does this relate to Israel's commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity that you appear to be using it as a reply to?

Iran's government are bad faith actors in the region. So is Israel's.

 

[Jazny]

Sand

Very weird that you are criticising Jews in general in a thread about Israel, but its a consistent theme.

 

[DapperDon]

Very weird that you are criticising Jews in general in a thread about Israel, but its a consistent theme.

It says something that you think only those of the Jewish faith consider themselves The Chosen People.

Any reason to throw around Anti-Semitic retorts I guess, afterall, it's all you have as an argument.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Reminder: Israel's leadership literally has ICC arrest warrants out against them for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Success!!

 

[faible]

Success!!

You deem the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity a success?

 

[jason_recliner]

That's an epic rant.

Maybe look at the fact that Iran, Hamas main backer outright declares it wants Israel wiped off the face of the earth. It makes no effort to defend Gaza, it's support is focused solely on the destruction of Israel.

Ukraine's backers send defensive weapons to mitigate Russia's massive cruise missile bombardments.

Trolling or...?

Gaza is invaded, occupied and completely blockaded. How do you propose Iran sends Gazans military aid?

 

[faible]

Trolling or...?

Gaza is invaded, occupied and completely blockaded. How do you propose Iran sends Gazans military aid?

Didn't he also previously complain that Iran sends weapons to Gaza?

In Ukraine the US sends weaponry to the people being invaded. In Gaza the US is sending them to the invaders.

Dat logic.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

You deem the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity a success?

you've lost track of the conversation

 

[Jazny]

It says something that you think only those of the Jewish faith consider themselves The Chosen People.

Any reason to throw around Anti-Semitic retorts I guess, afterall, it's all you have as an argument.

Yep, slogans such as this or things like "the chosen people" always lead to disaster and bloodshed.

Are you seriously going to suggest you weren't talking about Jews when you said this?

 

[faible]

you've lost track of the conversation

So Israel's government leaders look bad, because they've actually committed war crimes and crimes against humanity?

I'm not sure this is the point you're hoping to make.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

So Israel's government leaders look bad, because they've actually committed war crimes and crimes against humanity?

I'm not sure this is the point you're hoping to make.

I'll help. Go back to post #8288

 

[faible]

I'll help. Go back to post #8288

That would be this post?

I have gone through an interesting article published by the Henry Jackson Society that claims that Hamas are seemingly inflating the casualty numbers by including natural deaths, in some cases misreporting males as females and adults as children, and counting Palestinians known to have been killed by Hamas in the numbers they claim were "murdered by Israel" among other discrepancies in the fatality numbers.

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/HJS-Questionable-Counting-%E2%80%93-Hamas-Report-web.pdf

For context, this is from the Henry Jackson Society who have a neoconservative bias. It's good to be aware of any potential bias, and they same obviously needs to be said about relying on Hamas figures which evidence shows is distorted. We know they don't count militants, we have strong evidence they include people who weren't even killed by Israel in the figures.

Which relates to the below exchange apparently.

Reminder: Israel's leadership literally has ICC arrest warrants out against them for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Success!!

What is the successful part?

 

[DapperDon]

Are you seriously going to suggest you weren't talking about Jews when you said this?

Obviously yes, if you wish to think it's a perfectly fine phrase that doesn't make some believe they can do what they wish then that is fine.

 

[Zidane98]

Trolling or...?

Gaza is invaded, occupied and completely blockaded. How do you propose Iran sends Gazans military aid?

Not sure if this is an attempted troll but Hamas indeed is / was heavily armed mostly via Iran through various smuggling routes into Gaza. Hamas / PIJ fired 4300 rockets on Oct 7 alone. Clearly Hamas doesn't have trouble accessing offensive weaponry. This article describes how it obtains arms:

The Flow of Arms into the Gaza Strip - Australian Institute of International Affairs

Non-state actors in Gaza and Egypt have exploited smuggling networks to acquire arms, but they face new challenges. The Arab Turmoil has dramatically

www.internationalaffairs.org.au

It goes without saying things would be different if Iran wasn't focused on sending weapons with the intent of destroying Israel but sent defensive weapons instead and/or humanitarian aid. There certainly wouldn't have been an Oct 7 without support from Iran nor would there be a war ongoing to this day.