Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[faible]

Hamas has demanded a full withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza previously in this war in exchange for hostages which is unreasonable. They have apparently removed that demand recently which is why a hostage deal is starting to look likely now.

You believe it's unreasonable to demand the IDF withdraw from Gaza as it would represent 'losing' for Israel? Even if they agreed to it under current circumstances?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You believe it's unreasonable to demand the IDF withdraw from Gaza as it would represent 'losing' for Israel? Even if they agreed to it under current circumstances?

Team Israel: World Police

 

[Jazny]

You believe it's unreasonable to demand the IDF withdraw from Gaza as it would represent 'losing' for Israel? Even if they agreed to it under current circumstances?

Yes it's completely unreasonable. Israel's war aim is to eliminate the threat Hamas pose so they can't just keep attacking Israel over and over again with more and more October 7th style atrocities. If Israel accepted a full withdrawal early in the war, it basically makes Hamas immune from Israel's military. They could just keep doing this and as long as they successfully take hostages, Israel would be powerless to fight back if you agree that Israel should just give up their war aims in exchange for hostages every time.

Neither Zelensky or Putin would give up their war aims in Ukraine if the other side wanted to and managed to take civilian hostages from the other side. It's a ridiculous, cruel and unreasonable tactic, and can't be incentivized by caving in to such demands. Yes, it's horrible for the hostages, but that blame is entirely on Hamas and rewarding them for using that tactic will make it horrible for the next group of hostages they are incentivized to capture.

 

[faible]

It's a ridiculous, cruel and unreasonable tactic

So we agree, war crimes and crimes against humanity aren't acceptable in pursuit of 'war aims'.

 

[Jazny]

So we agree, war crimes and crimes against humanity aren't acceptable in pursuit of 'war aims'.

No I think war crimes are great

 

[Zidane98]

No, but why would they? No one is under any illusion that Hamas are altruistic actors here.

Plus, even a ceasefire is a condition after all

Hamas has lost close to 20,000 fighters in the war and Iran has lost the ability to funnel weapons via Syria to them. Leadership has been decimated. Iran, Hezbollah & Houthis their only remaining allies.

Majority of Gazans blame them for the war, want them gone. Releasing all hostages on the basis they could flee to Iran would give them a chance of still being around in the future.

 

[jason_recliner]

No I think war crimes are great

Then why do you endlessly downplay, deflect, deny, 'what-about', and/or cast doubt on Israel committing them?

 

[faible]

Hamas has lost close to 20,000 fighters in the war and Iran has lost the ability to funnel weapons via Syria to them. Leadership has been decimated. Iran, Hezbollah & Houthis their only remaining allies.

Sounds a lot like Israel has already 'won' then. No reason for Israel to keep occupying and bombing, displacing and starving.

They could withdraw tomorrow as a show of good faith and get the hostages back.

 

[Jazny]

Then why do you endlessly downplay, deflect, deny, 'what-about', and/or cast doubt on Israel committing them?

I don't do any of those things, which is why you couldn't bring up an example.

 

[jason_recliner]

I don't do any of those things, which is why you couldn't bring up an example.

Yes, you do, everybody sees it. I have no interest in cutting and pasting your responses from hundreds of pages to 'prove' something which is elf evident.

 

[Kurve]

Yes, you do, everybody sees it. I have no interest in cutting and pasting your responses from hundreds of pages to 'prove' something which is elf evident.

It's not a discussion if everybody agrees and I wouldn't want to encourage this thread to become simply a stream of anti Israel content, it's unhealthy.

 

[Kurve]

Here's the full 60 Minutes segment on the pagers blasts.

 

[Jazny]

Yes, you do, everybody sees it. I have no interest in cutting and pasting your responses from hundreds of pages to 'prove' something which is elf evident.

 

[Zidane98]

Sounds a lot like Israel has already 'won' then. No reason for Israel to keep occupying and bombing, displacing and starving.

They could withdraw tomorrow as a show of good faith and get the hostages back.

Suffering a terrorist attack that's still ongoing which is the worst against Jews since WW2 by a coalition of 4 enemies with genocidal intent isn't a "win" for Israel.

Considering the same coalition regularly declare their intent to destroy Israel there is absolutely zero good faith on Hamas' behalf here. They torture, murder and starve their own civilians.

 

[faible]

Suffering a terrorist attack that's still ongoing which is the worst against Jews since WW2 by a coalition of 4 enemies with genocidal intent isn't a "win" for Israel.

Considering the same coalition regularly declare their intent to destroy Israel there is absolutely zero good faith on Hamas' behalf here. They torture, murder and starve their own civilians.

Interesting you bring up ongoing terrorist attacks and crimes against humanity. The ongoing crime against humanity of starvation being committed against the entire population of Gaza. That would be causing quite a lot of terror I imagine.

You also raise 'genocidal intent' against Hamas. Hamas talk about wanting to slaughter Israelis by the thousands. The IDF actually are slaughtering Gazans by the thousands.

One is apparently a terrorist though. The other isn't.

I'm perfectly fine with calling Hamas a terrorist organisation. Just in case you do that thing where you'll accuse me of being pro-Hamas in the next few posts.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Sounds a lot like Israel has already 'won' then. No reason for Israel to keep occupying and bombing, displacing and starving.

They could withdraw tomorrow as a show of good faith and get the hostages back.

Are Hamas still firing rockets? When might they stop? To show good faith…

Some of the hostages. Why not all of them? Those tiny children and their mother for a start. Would be very good publicity.

 

[treeebeard]

I wonder if the Henry Jackson think tank calculated this in to their lowered body count in Gaza

The commander of the 252nd Division explained the source of the name. "After shootings, bodies are not collected, attracting packs of dogs who come to eat them," he said. "In Gaza, people know that wherever you see these dogs, that's where you shouldn't go."

Haaretz

 

[faible]

Are Hamas still firing rockets? When might they stop? To show good faith…

Some of the hostages. Why not all of them? Those tiny children and their mother for a start. Would be very good publicity.

I agree all civilian captives held by both sides should be released immediately.

Meanwhile, Israel could stop their crimes against humanity they’re committing at any point. They don’t need to starve the entire population of Gaza. They choose to. Hamas isn’t making them do any of this.

 

[jason_recliner]

Are Hamas still firing rockets?

Are they? How many?

 

[Zidane98]

 

[jason_recliner]

Oh yeah, because explosives only direct force in one direction!!!!

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Has Hamas ever offered to release the hostages unconditionally?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I am shocked to be sitting here.

 

[Jazny]

I am shocked to be sitting here.

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So am I.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

So am I.
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Yeah Lebanon are forcing them to stay, honestly, nothing we can do.