Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[Kurve]

No, there aren't better ways. Israel gives zero effs when Australia voices "concern". The only thing they would care about, understand and respond to is cutting business and government ties until they pull out of all illegally occupied land, give Palestinians statehood including part of Jerusalem, and make appropriate reparations. Australia should have nothing to do with them until then. BDS.

There's always better ways and I can think of a few, than the destruction of a democratic nation (as RW screwed as it currently is) and the likely genocide of nearly 10 million people, not even the Arabs in Israel would be spared.

 

[DapperDon]

There can be no two-state solution until Palestinians accept once and for all that Israel is there forever.

Pretty sure they accept that, well, most of them.

I think they'd just like Israel to **** off from their terriroty, including the murderous settlers and let them govern themselves without an irratic undertrained IDF maniac pointing a gun in their face every day.

 

[faible]

War crimes by Palestinians against Palestinian civilians barely rates a mention from yourself. As do war crimes committed by Iran & proxies. Entirely predictable pattern from yourself.

We’ve been through this before.

I’m opposed to all war crimes, whoever commits them.

No one argues that Hamas are good guys, so when the ICC issues arrest warrants for their leadership (who are dead now) everyone just nods and goes ‘yes, good’.

There isn’t a need to keep repeating oneself on the topic because there’s really no one spending their time arguing against it.

 

[DapperDon]

We’ve been through this before.

I’m opposed to all war crimes, whoever commits them.

No one argues that Hamas are good guys, so when the ICC issues arrest warrants for their leadership (who are dead now) everyone just nods and goes ‘yes, good’.

There isn’t a need to keep repeating oneself on the topic because there’s really no one spending their time arguing against it.

It's a new day, you forgot he pressed reset.

 

[faible]

This matches Iran & proxy rhetoric almost exactly.

Australia is not going to cut ties with a nation under genocidal attack nor should it. That would be seen as support for Iran, Hamas & co.

A post war mandate for Israel to agree peace within a specified time period (2 years for example) resulting in Australia severing all ties with Israel & Palestine should Israel fail to achieve peace with Palestine would be more appropriate.

Why shouldn’t Australia cut ties with a nation whose leadership has arrest warrants out against them for war crimes and crimes against humanity? That they’re using the national military to enact mind you.

Whose also under investigation for plausible risk of enacting a genocide?

Israel should be treated the same way any other pariah state should be.

 

[faible]

There can be no two-state solution until Palestinians accept once and for all that Israel is there forever.

This cuts both ways. Current Israeli leadership has little to no interest in a viable two state solution.

 

[faible]

It's a new day, you forgot he pressed reset.

No one:
Absolutely no one:
Zidane: but have you condemned Hamas?

 

[Zidane98]

Why shouldn’t Australia cut ties with a nation whose leadership has arrest warrants out against them for war crimes and crimes against humanity? That they’re using the national military to enact mind you.

Whose also under investigation for plausible risk of enacting a genocide?

Israel should be treated the same way any other pariah state should be.

Israel is under genocidal attack from multiple state actors. They should be treated as such until they threat disappears.

There's always better ways and I can think of a few, than the destruction of a democratic nation (as RW screwed as it currently is) and the likely genocide of nearly 10 million people, not even the Arabs in Israel would be spared.

 

[faible]

Israel is under genocidal attack from multiple state actors. They should be treated as such until they threat disappears.

Israel are doing unto others as they accuse others of doing unto them.

Moses would definitely not approve.

 

[Kurve]

This cuts both ways. Current Israeli leadership has little to no interest in a viable two state solution.

Hamas could not possibly win this in the usual sense, it was suicide from the beginning. The only thing they could possibly do was turn the international community against Israel and we're seeing that play out now, with dead kids and more dead kids.

Why aren't they working towards democracy and acceptance in to Israeli society? They'd have a vote and could do real damage in the Knesset, reparations .. it goes on.

Instead, it looks to me they're fighting and sacrificing so many of their people to satisfy a hatred and to turn back time.

 

[faible]

Hamas could not possibly win this, it was suicide from the beginning. The only thing they could possibly do was turn the international community against Israel and we're seeing that play out now, with dead kids and more dead kids.

Why aren't they working towards democracy and acceptance in to Israeli society? They'd have a vote and could do real damage in the Knesset.

Instead, it looks to me they're fighting and sacrificing so many of their people to satisfy a hatred and to turn back time.

Hamas aren’t good guys, this isn’t a Hollywood movie where one side is good and the other bad. They and other insurgency groups clearly aren’t concerned about the impact of their actions upon the civilian population of Gaza.

Meanwhile, peaceful protest doesn’t and hasn’t worked, the West Bank is clear enough evidence of that, because the Israeli government also aren’t good guys.

Combine a militant group, with desperation, with occupation, with no real other options, and it’s not surprising they’ll resort to horrific violence. None of which makes attacks upon civilians acceptable.

Whilst I’m sure not intended by Hamas, the current situation is probably simultaneously the closest the Palestinian people have been to both being completely annihilated or having their own state in the last twenty or so years.

 

[Kurve]

Whilst I’m sure not intended by Hamas, the current situation is probably simultaneously the closest the Palestinian people have been to both being completely annihilated or having their own state in the last twenty or so years.

Like it or not, it is not a conspiracy theory to suggest they were doing the bidding of Iran where the goal was not a two state solution.

They don't want a two state solution.

Why can't the PA and representative of Gaza, whoever that might be moving forward, be given a say or a seat already in the Knesset? That might be a good start.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

This cuts both ways. Current Israeli leadership has little to no interest in a viable two state solution.

How would it be viable if Hamas vows to wipe out Israel at every opportunity? Are you saying Israel must accept that this should be allowed to continue?

 

[Zidane98]

Plenty of documentation for Israeli war crimes, thus why there’s ICC arrest warrants out against their leadership, who use the national military to enact those war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Yes there is, and justice will be had in court.

Not sure why you always have to what about this everytime war crimes committed by Iranian terror coalition is discussed.

 

[FIGJAM]

War crimes by Palestinians against Palestinian civilians barely rates a mention from yourself. As do war crimes committed by Iran & proxies. Entirely predictable pattern from yourself.

Their set up there is so tight, that the war crimes (over a year of holding innocent civilians as hostages) committed and celebrated by the Palestinians and other Arab nations in the streets, that the Greens and other people who whinge about "genocide" and "colonisation", who would mostly be murdered by those they are supporting because of their sexuality and completely ignore the fact that that the Arabs in that region have aggressively and demonstrably colonised other surrounding areas in the recent past and then ignore the fact that the Jewish people lived there before the Arabs and before Islam even existed by seven hundred years and it even related to Abraham (A Brahman for those who care).

I don't agree with the right-wing government's response and I've said before that doing nothing is the best response. But if you don't hand back humans, then you're clearly ordinary people.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Like it or not, it is not a conspiracy theory to suggest they were doing the bidding of Iran where the goal was not a two state solution.

They don't want a two state solution.

Why can't the PA and representative of Gaza, whoever that might be moving forward, be given a say or a seat already in the Knesset? That might be a good start.

Because they're not citizens of Israel. There are currently ten Arab members in the Knesset. When/if Gaza becomes a state they can appoint an ambassador.

 

[Kurve]

Because they're not citizens of Israel. There are currently ten Arab members in the Knesset. When/if Gaza becomes a state they can appoint an ambassador.

They're under occupation, why shouldn't the occupied have a say?

 

[faible]

Yes there is, and justice will be had in court.

Not sure why you always have to what about this everytime war crimes committed by Iranian terror coalition is discussed.

I’ll await the regular tweets of Israeli war crimes from you before I concern myself with balanced commentary.

 

[faible]

Like it or not, it is not a conspiracy theory to suggest they were doing the bidding of Iran where the goal was not a two state solution.

They don't want a two state solution.

Why can't the PA and representative of Gaza, whoever that might be moving forward, be given a say or a seat already in the Knesset? That might be a good start.

It’s not Israeli land, why would there be a representative of another country in Israel’s parliament?

 

[faible]

How would it be viable if Hamas vows to wipe out Israel at every opportunity? Are you saying Israel must accept that this should be allowed to continue?

Hamas talks about it. Israel actually does it.

Apparently actually doing it is fine if they’re an ally according to you.

 

[Kurve]

It’s not Israeli land, why would there be a representative of another country in Israel’s parliament?

I just explained it. They can change the rules.

How do you think this is going to end?

 

[treeebeard]

Why would anyone think it's ok to launch a pro Palestinian protest after Palestinians had just murdered nearly 1000 Jews in one of the worst single terror attacks humanity has ever seen conducted by Palestinians from Palestinian territory?

Yes, shame on them

 

[faible]

I just explained it. They can change the rules.

How do you think this is going to end?

They could, as a hypothetical, but Palestinians don’t see themselves as Israeli any more than Jordanians or Egyptians or Syrians do.

How do I think it’s going to end? This isn’t how I hope it would end, just how I think it might go.

Probably with Israel doing as much damage to Gaza as they can in the time they have left before the world eventually, maybe, decides to sanction them if they don’t stop it or agree to a ceasefire.

When they do agree to a ceasefire, they’ll embark upon a last minute frenzy of bombing as they did in Lebanon, taking out whatever civilian infrastructure is left.

Gaza will be for all intents and purposes, unliveable. International rebuilding efforts will be minimal and largely ineffective due to corruption.

With Trump coming in, I don’t think a two-state solution is realistic as the US won’t support it, I also don’t think Netanyahu will get his way and annex a greater Israel including Gaza and the West Bank.

 

[faible]

Their set up there is so tight, that the war crimes (over a year of holding innocent civilians as hostages) committed and celebrated by the Palestinians and other Arab nations in the streets, that the Greens and other people who whinge about "genocide" and "colonisation", who would mostly be murdered by those they are supporting because of their sexuality and completely ignore the fact that that the Arabs in that region have aggressively and demonstrably colonised other surrounding areas in the recent past and then ignore the fact that the Jewish people lived there before the Arabs and before Islam even existed by seven hundred years and it even related to Abraham (A Brahman for those who care).

I don't agree with the right-wing government's response and I've said before that doing nothing is the best response. But if you don't hand back humans, then you're clearly ordinary people.

Before they were Jews they were Canaanites. Before that they were something else. Many of the Jews would have become Christian then Islamic whilst living in the same lands.

To claim it belongs to Jews is a reductive argument.

 

[treeebeard]

Pretty sure they accept that, well, most of them.

I think they'd just like Israel to **** off from their terriroty, including the murderous settlers and let them govern themselves without an irratic undertrained IDF maniac pointing a gun in their face every day.

Yeah, might be nice if they stuck to the UN partition plan. Geez they owned less than half the land and were given ~60%. But greater Israel...