Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[Zidane98]

Bedouins, the father was executed. I don't think there's a whole body of the son yet.

Hamas also murdered Gazan civilians during the October 7 terror attack simply because they were guilty of ployment in Israel - despite Israel accepting a demand by Hamsc to allow working permits to Gazans on Sept 29.

 

[faible]

The point is Zidane's posts should be countered with facts.

Faible says he's already done this but there's no reason someone else can't step in and do it. Or ignore it altogether and we skip on to discussing something else.

Someone has done this. At least once, in detail.

Zidane repeatedly says the same things, despite them being extensively responded to. He's done it with his claims that Israel has offered x, y or z. He's done this with his claims that all was peachy pre-October 7th. He's done this with his claims of posters being pro-Hamas.

'Put up or shut up' doesn't apply when people simply continue to post the same debunked nonsense. It's not incumbent upon anyone to repeatedly reply to a bad faith poster who knows what they're posting has been responded to and that their depiction of events are inaccurate.

When what someone is posting is Gish gallop adjacent and repeatedly makes a deluge of the same exact claims that have previously been address at length by various posters, then at a certain point there's little sense in doing anything but calling attention to them having been previously addressed.

I've respected your request to stop the discussion where it was at when you posted to do so, but I've also been quite clear in my motivations for not bothering to - yet again - waste time responding in detail to a post replete with misleading claims, because as a wise man once said:

The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.

Surely you can see the circle work of Zidane though, he really does begin as new every day.

Agree on the ignore part though, but if someone continues to say people are pro-hamas then that should need factual posts rather than just 'feels'

Also this.

 

[Kurve]

He's done this with his claims of posters being pro-Hamas.

I've just spent some time looking for where Zidane calls posters in here pro-Hamas, there's nothing visible approaching it in recent months.

 

[DapperDon]

Didn't look that hard

I'm not happy for any attacks to happen at all.


It does sound like you boebe Hamas should be allowed free reign to launch terror attacks, use hospital as military bases absolutely immune from any military action.

Do you believe beyond doubt that Hamas would never ever use a hospital as cover for military operations ? You do seem to believe they are a legitimate resistance to occupiers from the stuff you post.

I'm not claiming anything of the sort

Where as you are saying Hamas are free to use hospitals as military bases to launch attacks on Israel as they please with a guarantee that those who they are attacking cannot respond.

Sounds like you believe Hamas can do as they please in the name of "resistance" and are really just after peace for the good citizens of Gaza.

 

[Kurve]

Didn't look that hard

How rude are you?

Clearly, I was searching for the words 'pro-Hamas'.

And it's still not there. 'Sounds like' is nothing like calling another poster 'pro-Hamas' straight up. Those posts should easily be countered.

 

[faible]

How rude are you?

Clearly, I was searching for the words 'pro-Hamas'.

And it's still not there. 'Sounds like' is nothing like calling another poster 'pro-Hamas' straight up. Those posts should easily be countered.

There's half a dozen like it just in the last two days (one page of search results for his posts in this thread). So we end up here;

The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.

 

[Kurve]

There's half a dozen like it just in the last two days (one page of search results for his posts in this thread). So we end up here;

Maybe but it's still not calling posters in here 'pro-Hamas'.

ZIDANE could be a little less provocative? Please. Thank you.

 

[Kurve]

Speaker Mike Johnson has just announced Congress has approved sanctions on the ICC.

EDIT: Might not be totally accurate. Looks more like it may go to the vote this week.

 

[faible]

Speaker Mike Johnson has just announced Congress has approved sanctions on the ICC.

Any source yet? Can't find anything.

 

[Kurve]

Any source yet? Can't find anything.

 

[faible]

That was the only one I could find as well.

This was the bill that went through the House way back in June isn't it?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/04/politics/house-vote-icc-sanctions/index.html

edit:

Seems to track back to this post



Posted last night and no news network appears to have mentioned it at all.

 

[Kurve]

 

[faible]

The US trying to moral grandstand while pursuing the ICC is quite the irony.

 

[Kurve]

Posted last night and no news network appears to have mentioned it at all.

There's only 11 days to go before the inauguration, if it doesn't pass this week it's probably only a matter of time.

 

[faible]

Also in the comment was this

 

[faible]

There's only 11 days to go before the inauguration, if it doesn't pass this week it's probably only a matter of time.

Moreso the complete lack of video or mention from any other source, is a bit sketchy.

 

[Kurve]

Moreso the complete lack of video or mention from any other source, is a bit sketchy.

Dunno ... maybe with everything else going on the press is focusing elsewhere

 

[Kurve]

People are starting to say the fires in Los Angelos were deliberately lit, the Hollywood Hills is going up now and everyone is evacuating, the traffic's gridlocked for kilometres.

The scenes are apocalyptic.

 

[faible]

People are starting to say the fires in Los Angelos were deliberately lit, the Hollywood Hills is going up now and everyone is evacuating, the traffic's gridlocked for kilometres.

The scenes are apocalyptic.

Not sure about that part of it, but conditions were unfortunately pretty much ideal for a massive fire event.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/08/us/california-wildfire-la-palisades/15b1c05a-80b7-5d5d-9de8-816f809d87c9?smid=url-share

“This firestorm is the big one in magnitude,” said Mayor Karen Bass of Los Angeles. “Hurricane-force winds are usually accompanied by rainstorms, but these are hurricane-force winds that are combined with extremely dry, drought conditions.” For context, the Palisades Fire exploded to 200 acres from 10 acres in 12 minutes, she said.

 

[Jazny]

Dunno ... maybe with everything else going on the press is focusing elsewhere

Something like that would have been covered widely. Could happen though.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

The point is Zidane's posts should be countered with facts.

Faible says he's already done this but there's no reason someone else can't step in and do it. Or ignore it altogether and we skip on to discussing something else.

I've made several lengthy posts pointing out the many mistakes in Zidane's constant stream of nonsense. It doesn't make any difference, they just trot out the same bullshit narrative every time.

 

[Kurve]

Something like that would have been covered widely. Could happen though.

Looks like it might be going to the vote this week? I'll edit my post.

 

[faible]

Looks like it might be going to the vote this week? I'll edit my post.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8282/all-actions

This appears to be the bill, was the one in the House in June and has been sitting with the Senate since then.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Who said it was? Weird statement.

Not sure how else you could take this response? No one else mentioned deliberately targeting civilians.

I wouldnt be surprised if we see some war crimes charges happening around the Netzarim corridor.

Regardless, unless some new information comes out, I will probably agree with a lot of what you have to say about the Netzarim corridor. But I am also cautious of information and testimony being overly sensationalised. Not carrying a weapon, for example, does not necessarily mean they are innocent civilians. Nor does the fact they aren't known to be Hamas members.

This isn't just a single corridor. These comments were about Phildephi, and the IDF set up kill zones all throughout Gaza, and change them regularly with little or no warning.

 

[Jazny]

Not sure how else you could take this response? No one else mentioned deliberately targeting civilians.

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He is talking about genocides when armed forced bomb civilians? I am saying I haven't heard reports of a policy of the IDF intentionally targetting civilians with bombs.

Then you have come along and said: A policy of targeting civilians is not a requirement for war crimes, nor for genocide.

Which doesn't refute anything I said or was talking about. If the IDF were committing genocide through a bombing campaign against civilians, I imagine the death tally would look vastly different. Obviously there are other ways to commit genocide and even when targetting military, an airstrike can still be a war crime if it's disproportionate, but that's not what I am responding to.

This isn't just a single corridor. These comments were about Phildephi, and the IDF set up kill zones all throughout Gaza, and change them regularly with little or no warning.

He seems to be talking about the Netzarim corridor in the excerpt, the Netzarim is also where a Haaretz article claimed that the imaginary lines were shifting daily. I don't know what article you pulled excerpt from so I can only guess it was originally in Hebrew or Arabic? Where is the claim that the IDF is shifting kill zones randomly without telling people all over Gaza so they can shoot civilians and call them terrorists coming from?