Wasted talent at the wrong club ?

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This thread is about those players with obvious talent that you view as currently at the wrong club (or have been over their entire career) to display the obvious talent they have. With such an emotional emphasis placed on club loyalty and tribalism in our game often players careers are judged not by their own talent but by who they have been playing for. If they shifted clubs it would likely be great for their careers but many would cheaply tag them as money grubbing turncoats or rats jumping ship.

The old adage of being hard to soar like an eagle whilst playing with turkeys has always been just as relevant in footy... individual talent is usually obvious but is acknowledged far less frequently or dimished in some manner. Being played out of position to fill gaps in that team...performing roles given by their coaches that dont match their skills...coaches trying to change their natural game to reflect their own needs or perceptions. If a team is cruising and performing well usually individual talent is not wasted...it suddenly becomes utilised.

Generally speaking the same player at a winning club will be seen as a better player than if he was at a club that is languishing. No more obvious example than how some fans view being a "premiership player" as some sort of credibility gift or proof of talent.

Forget about draftees, youngsters and petty trolling...i'm asking about the obviously talented footballers that you see wasted where they are currently or have been most of their career.

Couple of examples of wasted talent i'll start with that are obvious to me...

Cameron Bruce is a guy i'd consider to be almost the complete footballer. I have seen this bloke's supreme talent being wasted in favour of his team needs for too long and going virtually without acknowledgement. He has the gift of knowing where the ball is going, makes good decisions, can mark, can kick, can attack, can defend...what a bloody waste of talent. I can only imagine the sort of career he would have had at a successful club during his time. He has had to play every role in the book to make up for deficiencies around him.
Nick Dal Santo is another i see being totally wasted and will continue to be hamstrung under his current coach. Been in awe of this guy since seeing him as a youngster calmy do a 360 degree move on the boundary that dodged a rampaging Riciutto who had him lined up for the first row in the crowd...then pinpointed the pass. Absolute first class decision making..first class disposal...yet for some reason everyone wants to get his head in a pack or to hone his defensive game. The bloke is an attacking weapon and the last damn thing i'd want him to do is play an unnatural game and waste him...his coach (and now the fans) dont want him to play just off the ball where he is damaging...for some reason they want his head over it, or winning the ball, or chasing down whippetts...anything whereby his actual skills are totally shut out of the game. Ben Cousins for instance has always been a midfielder/flanker that had abysmal chase/tackle numbers but a terrific talent WITH the ball in hand...played correctly as a ball user rather than trying to turn him into a ball winner. In my opinion at an attacking gameplan or played to his strengths rather than weaknesses then Dal Santo would be a weapon of the highest order.

Who are some of the wasted talents u see who would likely be viewed and rated much higher if at another club or played differently over their time ?
 
Pavlich and Robert Harvey. Both could get a premriship at any other club but they cant and couldnt of in the past

Yeah thought about Pavlich... but great KPP's tend to shine thru regardless of where they are..u cannot miss them and usually no other way to play them. Great ones like Pavlich stand out like dogs balls in a crappy team and DO get acknowledged (as he is).
Doubt his reputation would be any greater at another club..or played differently ..and he's already viewed as somene with a champion tag just waiting for time to hand it to him.

Yeah Harvey was a classic..imagine the rep and place in history if he played at the Pies, Carlton or Dons. Was actually a pretty good finals player too whenever he got the chance.
 

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Stupid Thread how can you say that they are at the wrong club some might not have had the success in the clubs they are in but have been there as good leaders etc for the clubs, and me being a Melbourne supporter beleives Cam Bruce is not a wasted talent at Melbourne, he is a great leader and great all round footballer for the Melbourne Football Club and I bet you he has no regrets being at the MFC.
 
Pavlich and Robert Harvey. Both could get a premriship at any other club but they cant and couldnt of in the past

Can you remind me how many flags Adelaide have won since Pavlich's career began? Or St Kilda, or the Bulldogs, or Carlton, or Collingwood, or Melbourne, or North Melbourne, or Richmond? And if Harvey couldn't get one at St Kilda, could he have got one at Fremantle (they are any other club)? Or Pavlich at St Kilda (also any other club)?

Ridiculous thread. :thumbsdown:
 
Daniel Rich - he is not going to get the proper intreduction and learn much from an untested and untried coach

I don't think having Michael Voss and Simon Black around are going to hinder his development in the midfield.

Tim Boyle maybe although I doubt he would be a great player at a different club, just a good one.
 
By your rationale someone like Everitt was wasted at every club he played for because he didn't win a flag ?. You could say that about every player that never won a flag ie. Buckley and Ablett

Harvey winning 2 Brownlows tends to suggest that he wasn't wasted at the Saints.

Stupid thread....
 
By your rationale someone like Everitt was wasted at every club he played for because he didn't win a flag ?. You could say that about every player that never won a flag ie. Buckley and Ablett

Harvey winning 2 Brownlows tends to suggest that he wasn't wasted at the Saints.

Stupid thread....

Totally agree you can not say harvey was a wasted tallent because he was an awesome player, he won two Brownlows it is impossible he would have been any better at a different club, this thread should be about the individuals performance not the team (eg. if the won a flag)

Dal Santo is a good one i agree with that, saying Harvey is a wasted tallent is just stupid, you could say so many players deserve Premierships.
 

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I'm not quite sure everyone is on the same page.

Are you talking a) great players at shit clubs? e.g. Robbie Flower, pavlich

or

b) players who didn't reach their potential due to mismanagement, mistakes, etc, by their clubs?
 
You're kidding aren't you. Melbourne has played in 5 final series since Cam Bruce has been at the club. And while we haven't achieved the ultimate success, Cameron has played a major role in teams that have been very competitive. He is now our VC, our current best and fairest winner and a fantastic role model for our very good young kids. If you think his talent has been wasted, you obviously know nothing about the game!!!
 
It's an interesting topic. Pavlich is an obvious one as had he gone to Adelaide, I think they would have been a force and he could have been the one to get them over the line in those few finals when they were dominat a few years ago.

In terms of Harvey, and probably someone like a Flower or even Bob Skilton. Dominant players who unfortunatly were at clubs with limited success.
 
Yeah he is going to struggle with midfielders like Voss, Black, and Power teaching him the ropes.

He really needs someone like Matthew Knights.

I think theyre would be just a bit busy to focus on teaching him while they are playing the game, dont u think? duh
 
Definitely not a wasted talent but Judd so far playing for Carlton has been forced out of playing his natural game, winning the ball inside where he has been deprived of space and opportunities to use his damaging disposal (73% efficiency last year) .

He gets away with it though because he's just a superstar, i just think he's much more damaging outside, definitely not wasted inside though.

Good to hear he's likely to see more outside time next year so hopefully he can get back to his brownlow form.


I think Michael Firrito has been a wasted talent to an extent, he was drafted to be a midfielder but due to team deficiencies he's been forced down back.

I think he's done a good job (down back) but i just keep wondering how he would of went if he was developed as an on-baller from the get-go.

Good to hear that Laidley's planning on utilising him in that midfield role more often next year (played a bit in the middle late in the year, sometimes as a tagger, like on Griffin).

There are plenty others i could name too....but i don't really know whether they are really wasted talents (the above aren't wasted talents either).

I don't think it matters which club you are at TBH though, if your at a bad club and your a great player you aren't really a wasted talent IMO.
 
I'm not quite sure everyone is on the same page.

Are you talking a) great players at shit clubs? e.g. Robbie Flower, pavlich

or

b) players who didn't reach their potential due to mismanagement, mistakes, etc, by their clubs?
I think he was clearly talking about the latter. You could reel off a billion great players who didn't win a flag, but he's going for a different angle here in players that could have been more at a different (but not necessarily better) club

For instance I would argue that Nathan Bock was somewhat of a wasted talent in 2007 when he had to play up forward due to Adelaide's poor forward line. He was an average forward but move him to CHB and he becomes a superstar. Similarly Luke McPharlin should never have to play forward again, but will probably end up having to due to the lack of quality Freo forwards bar Pav, at Brisbane or Hawthorn with a quality FF/CHF combo he'd be a superstar.

Firrito is a very good call too, if he'd been drafted to Adelaide or Geelong he might be a quality defensive mid instead of a makeshift FB who leaks goals like no one else can.
 
You're kidding aren't you. Melbourne has played in 5 final series since Cam Bruce has been at the club. And while we haven't achieved the ultimate success, Cameron has played a major role in teams that have been very competitive. He is now our VC, our current best and fairest winner and a fantastic role model for our very good young kids. If you think his talent has been wasted, you obviously know nothing about the game!!!
Took the words right out of my mouth, Bollox has (yet again) exposed him self as having no clue whatsoever.
But Bruce hasn't been the same since he got ****ed up by Brent Guerra in early 2005. Was BOG first three games, favourite for the Brownlow, then Guerra stuffed up his shoulder in the opening minute of the game.

Wasted talent - Mitch Thorp.

Won't get much of a go behind Roughy and Buddy.
 
Yeah he is going to struggle with midfielders like Voss, Black, and Power teaching him the ropes.

He really needs someone like Matthew Knights.

Matthew Knights was a great player. He's not of legend status like Voss or Black, but he was better than Power. I dare say had he been playing finals often he would have a better name among those who didn't follow his career closely.
 
Daniel Wells is someone who should think of changing clubs.

IMO has so much natural talent, but hasn't really quite stamped his authority as he could, and I think a breath of a fresh air would be good for him, and perhaps play under a more attacking coach.

Harris from North too is another I think would do a lot better at another club. I thought Port Adelaide would be a good fit for him.

I agree with Bruce and Dal Santo, I think they are wasted a little bit there, but both seem too loyal to leave their clubs.

I think Pavlich is a waste given I just can't see Freo going anywhere. He could take many other sides in to premiership contention, and he would rise to another level with better players around him. I think he is arguably the best player in the comp when up and running given how good he is in many parts of the ground. Would be certainly more respected at another club too, because IMO his ability gets under-stated a little given how often he is left out of best player in the competition talk.
 

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