WCE peak Judd was better than peak GAJ and peak Dustin Martin

[Romeoh1]

Nope.

 

[Pistol Night]

Nope.

I never considered that at all. I may have to reconsider

 

[Falcon3518]

I 100% agree peak Judd was better than Jnr but I’m struggling to understand why it would be better than dusty. If we are talking about just WC Judd, dustys Brownlow season was better than his there and dusty did it way better in finals. To me people are going off “vibe” primarily driven by nostalgia. Stats show dusty was better.

I judge these guys in the following ways:

Peak:

1. Dusty
2. Judd
3. Jnr

Longevity (Amount of elite years not injury):

1. Jnr
2. Judd
3. Dusty

Big game player:

1. Dusty
2. Judd
3. Jnr

Incredibly hard to separate them, just depends on what sort of player you want. If you want a H&A specialist go for Jnr, Finals specialist go for Dusty and Jack of all trades go for Judd. No wrong answers.

 

[Jugada]

Peak Dusty is better than anything from the modern era. Like most of these debates the blokes from past era's always get a bump up

 

[Tugga27]

I’m not saying his better but due to all his post career and off field incidents I think people tend to forget just how good of a player cousins was I rate him right up there with the best midfielders I’ve seen play

I reckon Kerr was better than Cousins.
Judd a level up.

 

[PerthBoy86]

Personally I found GAJ and Martin more impressive to watch, but they're all different players. Always thought Cousins and Kerr were underrated, Cousins was about as good as Judd and severely underrated. Shame all the off field stuff overshadowed his legacy.

 

[dockshark]

Meh. Fyfe comfortably equal of GAJ and better than the other 2. You not including him in this discussion is typical West Coast supporter BS.

 

[Ed_Gein]

As a Swans fan, Chris Judd whilst at WCE gave me some unbelieveable nightmares... The lead up to matches against the Eagles during that 05/06 period was hell because of him, haha (Kerr and Cousins didn't help either ).

 

[dean33]

Three hall of fame legends. Unquestionably.

Dustin Martin often plays like the H&A season doesn't matter but his grand final record speaks for itself. On the biggest stage he's played three of the all-time great grand finals. He is capable of being the most damaging of the three and I rate him #1 for this reason.

GAJ's peak consisted of racking up handballs playing for a perennial wooden spooner. Brilliant career, hall of fame legend for sure, but his legacy gets tainted somewhat for playing so many years up north getting completely flogged every week. IMO GAJ's "peak" can't be properly judged for this reason.

Peak Judd was a gun but overrated and the worst of the three. I do laugh that people claim that Judd's peak was only at WCE.. he won a BROWNLOW MEDAL at Carlton, consinstely carried a rather average Carlton side to many finals campaigns, and was one of (if not THE) best player in the comp while wearing navy.

Very good post. Kudos.

 

[Stottzy]

100% agree that Judd was by far the better mid, purely just cause he just was dominating from game 1, until basically the end of his career. Others, including Dusty and Gaz jnr took the usual 4-5 years to get going to elite.

 

[dean33]

2017 Dusty was better than not just Chris Judd but probably any player in the modern game. He polled the most Brownlow votes, bnf, AA, coaches award, mvp, norm smith, premiership, best finals player and every media award there was. Hell if we played him fwd a bit more he probably would have won the Coleman as well!
Over their entire careers is a different story however at their peak, Dusty easily.

 

[Themanbun]

Three hall of fame legends. Unquestionably.

Dustin Martin often plays like the H&A season doesn't matter but his grand final record speaks for itself. On the biggest stage he's played three of the all-time great grand finals. He is capable of being the most damaging of the three and I rate him #1 for this reason.

GAJ's peak consisted of racking up handballs playing for a perennial wooden spooner. Brilliant career, hall of fame legend for sure, but his legacy gets tainted somewhat for playing so many years up north getting completely flogged every week. IMO GAJ's "peak" can't be properly judged for this reason.

Peak Judd was a gun but overrated and the worst of the three. I do laugh that people claim that Judd's peak was only at WCE.. he won a BROWNLOW MEDAL at Carlton, consinstely carried a rather average Carlton side to many finals campaigns, and was one of (if not THE) best player in the comp while wearing navy.

GAJ's kick to handball ratio was better at the Suns than it ever was during his first stint at the Cats, he averaged more clearances, goals were about the same and inside fifties only slightly down despite being in a far worse team. Tackles were up at the Suns too.

I watched a lot of GC and GAJ is the best player I've ever seen, having been slightly too young to remember Carey's best. People underrate him because he put up such ridiculous numbers they presume he was chip scabbing a bit. He wasn't.

 

[Freomaniac]

I reckon Kerr was better than Cousins.
Judd a level up.

Nah Daniel Kerr was good but a bit overrated for mine.

Yep Kerr nearly won a Brownlow in 2005. Again, like many kids in that Eagles period, he played good footy from 2005-7.

Remember..... Judd and cousins both left west coast at the end of 2007. That meant Danny Kerr was the main inside mid in 2008. Eagles finished bottom 4 in 2008.

 

[RAPPA]

Judd was supreme at WCE. I do think though that groin injury of his cut him back 5-10%. He was great at Carlton but WCE saw the best of him.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Nah, he's not. Good try though.

 

[Tugga27]

Nah Daniel Kerr was good but a bit overrated for mine.

Yep Kerr nearly won a Brownlow in 2005. Again, like many kids in that Eagles period, he played good footy from 2005-7.

Remember..... Judd and cousins both left west coast at the end of 2007. That meant Danny Kerr was the main inside mid in 2008. Eagles finished bottom 4 in 2008.

Agree to disagree.
You don't come top 3 in the Brownlow 3 times if you're not an absolute jet.

Of course you will drop off in a lesser side.
Chris Judd dropped of a lot at Carlton.
Yes he won a Brownlow, which was dodgy at best.

Most fans will tell you he was a lot better player at WC.

 

[Xtreme]

If that were even remotely true Judd would have more Norm Smith and premiership medals to go with his brownlow and illegitimate brownlow!

 

[Falcon3518]

If that were even remotely true Judd would have more Norm Smith and premiership medals to go with his brownlow and illegitimate brownlow!

Although I agree Judd should’ve been ineligible for the 2010 Brownlow. We should be very happy he took it off GAJ, cats fans would be even more insufferable than they already are.

 

[bzparkes]

FWIW

He never had a 40 touch game. That is pretty pathetic IMO. FYI IIRC Jack Macrae had one while still a teenager. Joel Selwood had one in his second season.

He kicked 4+ goals only three times.

Never won the AFLCA award.

Never considered the best player of the year by News Ltd. I don’t know if Fairfax ever did.

Judd is not in the top ten for most 30+ touches & 2+ goals, GAJ did this 54 times, Swan had 32, Buckley had 26, Boomer 24, Danger 23, Beams 21, Dusty 19, Barry Mitchell 16, Robert Harvey and Garry Hocking 15. I don’t know how many times Judd managed to do this; that’s where the list stops. Let’s be very generous and say he just missed this list and had 14 games with this output - in that case GAJ did it >3x more often and Swan did it >2x and Buckley and Danger almost 2x.

In a nutshell - Judd didn’t score that much, didn’t get that much of the ball and didn't use it very well; he was certainly no Darren Jarman. He couldn’t kick it very far or reliably kick it straight. I remember being amazed at how high his “critical error” numbers were. I recall him as an Eagle perform many breathtaking moves away from the stoppage but then waste that brilliance by missing the pass to Lynch or Hunter by a considerable distance. People thought his shoulders were the reason he didn’t get picked at #1 in 2001 but his modest kicking skills is apparently the true reason.

That's a very long winded way of saying you never watched Judd play and simply pulled some stats off footywire.

 

[DamoESP]

His only weakness was that he couldn't lift his arms above his head due to his wrecked shoulders.

Which is why this mark is still my BF avatar all these years later

 

[Falcon3518]

Also not to crap on Judd but his goal of the year in 2005 was absolutely crap, see goals like that everyday. Shame GOTY is not awarded in finals, Dusty should have 2. 2018 QF and 2020 GF. I have all 3 below of the links work.

 

[Wojcinski]

GAJ > Judd > Daylight > Dusty

 

[Falcon3518]

GAJ > Judd > Daylight > Dusty

. This is a peak thread mate, not a rack up useless stats in H&A one.

 

[Wojcinski]

. This is a peak thread mate, not a rack up useless stats in H&A one.

I'm aware of that which is why I have the rankings as they are.

 

[Falcon3518]

I'm aware of that which is why I have the rankings as they are.

Gold Coast legend GAJ was consistently good but his peak wasn’t as good as these two. Daylight between both of them.