WCE peak Judd was better than peak GAJ and peak Dustin Martin

[Falcon3518]

Dusty
Judd
GAJ

However none of them are better than Gary Ablett Senior; IMHO the best there's ever been.

Again people are nostalgic apart from the 89 finals series his finals record was abysmal…

 

[PhatBoy]

How does it feel that your clubs second best player played his peak footy at the Suns and your best player didn’t win a flag, I’d be filthy. Both are duds in finals, cats won in 2011 without him lol. His peak whether at the cats or suns was a non factor to your clubs success. The other two clubs don’t win any flags without Judd or Dusty, that’s the difference and why their peaks are better because it includes finals not just irrelevant H&A games.

How does it feel being special enough that even after winning 3 flags and breaking the back of the Geelong curse, for some unknown reason you are still headf***ed enough to bring your Geelong obsession into more threads than actual Geelong fans

 

[PhatBoy]

Again people are nostalgic apart from the 89 finals series his finals record was abysmal…

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His record of beating down the door to your brain is pretty extraordinary

 

[Falcon3518]

How does it feel being special enough that even after winning 3 flags and breaking the back of the Geelong curse, for some unknown reason you are still headf***ed enough to bring your Geelong obsession into more threads than actual Geelong fans

This is a thread about GAJ bro idk what else you want

 

[PhatBoy]

This is a thread about GAJ bro idk what else you want

A thread about GAJ where you’ve just spent however long it took digging up an analytic post about his dad and had a shot at Geelong fans for the 500th time without actually scoring a direct hit because their best player didn’t win a flag.


You care more about it than any of us do.

 

[Falcon3518]

His record of beating down the door to your brain is pretty extraordinary

Cats fans need to stop acting like their best players are flawless gods, even their bloody nicknames are God and Son of God. This is the problem. Never heard any cats fan say anything bad about both Abbletts and crucify people that do. Tigers fans can point out flaws with Martin. Judd fans can too about his injuries and not playing as well at the blues.

 

[Falcon3518]

A thread about GAJ where you’ve just spent however long it took digging up an analytic post about his dad and had a shot at Geelong fans for the 500th time without actually scoring a direct hit because their best player didn’t win a flag.


You care more about it than any of us do.

I replied to another poster bringing up GAS in a thread that’s not bloody about him. Probably a cats supporter too. Everytime anybody is comparing other players some guy says “aBleTt iS bETtEr tHaN tHem” like right now, then ironically you have a go at me. Sick of it.

 

[Pistol Night]

I replied to another poster bringing up GAS in a thread that’s not bloody about him. Probably a cats supporter too. Everytime anybody is comparing other players some guy says “aBleTt iS bETtEr tHaN tHem” like right now, then ironically you have a go at me. Sick of it.

Who gives a shit? Theres no right answer. Its all opinion based

 

[Falcon3518]

Maybe I am biased, what about the neutrals in here who agree with me? You ever stop to think you're also definitely biased?

I’m not, point out some of martins flaws and I’ll agree. Try me.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Actually, i would argue that Ablett Jrs season with Gold Coast in 2014 is possibly the greatest individual season ever seen until he got a shoulder injury. In a team that couldn't beat an egg, he set the bar higher than anyone ever before him. He still polled 22 Brownlow votes losing by just 4, playing 7 games less than the winner!

Ablett was going to win the brownlow that year for sure and dragged Gold Coast to finals.

Absolute freak of a footballer.

 

[Falcon3518]

But that's just the thing: we're not talking about GAJ's bad games, we're talking about his peak. And his peak was better than Dusty's, in my opinion.

Dusty's finals in 2017 were the best games he played in his career. Peak of his powers. But are you defining a player's peak by 4 games? How do you place the limit on what you define as peak? Their best ever form?

Because GAJ's peak shouldn't be minimized because he ******* stayed at the same level that Dusty only reached in finals once for 4 seasons.

I used to say to my brother of early career GAJ that he'd only hit a target if he was being tackled, if he was under pressure; as though, when it was easy, he'd * it up because he had too much time and space and thought about it too much. Then he became the player we're talking about, and that player didn't make mistakes. One touch, untackleable, nonsense possessions and goals for years on end.

It's not nostalgia. He was just better. Don't think you'll be changing my mind on this.

Dustys peak was 2017-2020 which is why I said subsequent flags. Nobody in a 4 year timespan achieved what he did. Is this not fair enough? 4 years is a long enough peak. Judd’s peak was around 4 years as well so it’s easy to compare.

 

[PhatBoy]

Cats fans need to stop acting like their best players are flawless gods, even their bloody nicknames are God and Son of God. This is the problem. Never heard any cats fan say anything bad about both Abbletts and crucify people that do. Tigers fans can point out flaws with Martin. Judd fans can too about his injuries and not playing as well at the blues.

And you need to stop acting like we do think they are flawless and lose the obsession.

You don’t point out shit, mate. You make up an opinion about whatever you it little pet topic of the day is, you post it, someone points out a whole bunch of facts that show you why you’re incorrect or at very least why your argument is nowhere near as black and white as you think it is, and then you duck, dodge dive and weave and start taking shots at other angles to try and avoid having to address the inconsistency or downright inaccuracy in everything you say.

Even today, you’ve made a claim that:

• Geelong deliberately tries to maim and injure Richmond players to get them off the field
• that we can’t beat you without doing that
• that when we did beat you by 11 goals it was because you fielded a VFL standard midfield
• that Gary Ablett Sr was a finals flop aside from one season.

In no particular order you’ve managed to:

- avoid the questions about why we get suspended for actions against other teams if it’s only something we save for Richmond

- Claim that a fend while IN POSSESSION OF THE BALL was a deliberate attempt to maim a Tigers player but in the same game a Cats player who was irreparably injured was fine and not deliberate because he’s old (how does that work, exactly???). Now being someone with an IQ above 3, I know Ablett wasn’t deliberately injured. But I’m interested as to why your made up bullshit view is correct, and the vice versa view is not.

- played dumb and avoided the question about why, if Richmond could only field a VFL standard side against us last year, they managed to get 18 premiership players into their line up? Seems a pretty good problem to have. Couldn’t prise an answer out of you though could I.

- claim that a player’s peak is what counts, and then claimed that one players peak was a whopping 3 game finals series. Then you’ve followed that by writing off another great player’s peak - a four game final series - because he didn’t reach it again.

- you’ve also failed to address the point raised to you recently where you were asked ‘if Gary Ablett Sr was so bad in grand finals because he didn’t kick enough goals , what does that say about the players in his team who’s job it is to stop them, that they averaged 135 points conceded across those 4 games.’ Yet here you still are banging on like he was camped in a goal square for all 4 games with the ball landing on his head every 30 seconds


You want everyone to clap your favourite player and rate him, we get it. Doing it by showing how little football you’ve actually watched isn’t the way to go about it.

 

[PhatBoy]

Dustys peak was 2017-2020 which is why I said subsequent flags. Nobody in a 4 year timespan achieved what he did. Is this not fair enough? 4 years is a long enough peak. Judd’s peak was around 4 years as well so it’s easy to compare.

Nobody who gets verbally fellated as much as he does by you achieved what he did, that’s true:

Playing one outstanding season of football and then having to just show up periodically for the next 3 years to
Somehow overshadow the bodies of work of countless players who were at that level for season after season after season. It is indeed a rare feat

 

[Falcon3518]

Who gives a s**t? Theres no right answer. Its all opinion based

Not to them it isn’t. If you don’t agree GAJ/GAS are the best at everything they call you a moron. Even if they haven’t achieved as much.

 

[PhatBoy]

I’m not, point out some of martins flaws and I’ll agree. Try me.

He’s been as good as the other two in this debate for about a quarter as long. There’s a start.

 

[PhatBoy]

Not to them it isn’t. If you don’t agree GAJ/GAS are the best at everything they call you a moron. Even if they haven’t achieved as much.

No, we call you a moron when you try and manipulate a whole bunch of non factors to back your opinion, rather than forming your opinion based on fact.

Do you see cats fans go into bat for their players and call people morons when the likes of Matthews - who played for a team we hate more than Richmond - or Carey, or Lockett, or Voss etc get brought into these debates?

 

[Falcon3518]

Nobody who gets verbally fellated as much as he does by you achieved what he did, that’s true:

Playing one outstanding season of football and then having to just show up periodically for the next 3 years to
Somehow overshadow the bodies of work of countless players who were at that level for season after season after season. It is indeed a rare feat

In those 4 years he got 1 Brownlow (with record Brownlow votes), 3 AAs, 1 B&F, 3 Gary Ayers medals, 1x coaches association award, 1 MVP, 3 flags and 3 norm smiths. But yeah 1 year man

Also first guy ever to win a flag, Brownlow, NS, AA and B&F all in the same year. But peak is no good apparently to some bloke at the Suns.

 

[Donakebab]

Cats fans need to stop acting like their best players are flawless gods, even their bloody nicknames are God and Son of God. This is the problem. Never heard any cats fan say anything bad about both Abbletts and crucify people that do. Tigers fans can point out flaws with Martin. Judd fans can too about his injuries and not playing as well at the blues.

Dripping in ****ing irony as you can't accept all the neutrals saying Ablett, nor those saying Hawkins in the other thread. You're as biased as they come.

 

[Falcon3518]

Dripping in ******* irony as you can't accept all the neutrals saying Ablett, nor those saying Hawkins in the other thread. You're as biased as they come.

If Hawkins get 1-2 colemans and overtakes Jack in goals (which is likely) he’s better and I’ll be the first one to say it.

 

[PhatBoy]

In those 4 years he got 1 Brownlow (with record Brownlow votes), 3 AAs, 1 B&F, 3 Gary Ayers medals, 1x coaches association award, 1 MVP, 3 flags and 3 norm smiths. But yeah 1 year man

Also first guy ever to win a flag, NS, AA and B&F all in the same year. But peak is no good apparently to some bloke at the Suns.

Cameron Guthrie was named in one of those AA midfields

Martin was truly at the top of his game for one season and was, by comparison, nowhere near as consistent in the seasons that followed.

He won the MVP, Brownlow, best and fairest and coaches award in one season. Stacking them on top of one another doesn’t magically multiply them. And as everyone has acknowledged he was excellent across all three winning finals series. Hanging an entire player’s career on that when the people you are comparing them to also played outstanding finals in addition to being at their best for much, much, much longer is a logic that only you use. No one else.

 

[PhatBoy]

If Hawkins get 1-2 colemans and overtakes Jack in goals (which is likely) he’s better and I’ll be the first one to say it.

Yes let’s hope he gets enough
Coleman medals to be a better player because that’s what matters, it’s coleman medals


You are too dumb for words sometimes

 

[Falcon3518]

He’s been as good as the other two in this debate for about a quarter as long. There’s a start.

Yep by far the least consistent as shown by the AA count, not relevant to the thread though. Next.


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[PhatBoy]

At some point you will actually start charging - how many is it now - 6?7? Cats players rent. Between the two Abletts, Hawkins, Stewart, Dangerfield, the match committee who plan assaults on Richmond players, youve damn near got the entire population of the surf coast living in there.

Imagine if we’d actually won anything

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Micheal Voss anyone ?

Great shout.

Throw a ball in front of the four of them at their peak and Voss would win it.

 

[Falcon3518]

Yes let’s hope he gets enough
Coleman medals to be a better player because that’s what matters, it’s coleman medals


You are too dumb for words sometimes

Can we not talk about those two on this thread please. 3v1 Colemans is an important measure imo. I’m just saying if he does it’s undeniable, it’s fine for you to argue it doesn’t matter right now though.