Retiring Dustin Martin - retiring effective immediately 2024

[Cleansweep17]

If you want an assessment of the situation Cleany.

Read through the entire thread focussing on Geelong supporters. A whole bunch of tributes and respect. No "but this player was better". One stupid post from RF which said he was an unlikeable person (WTF).

Then Noidy ends his 6 months hiatus to lay out the bait with the comparison post (so the post, like it or not is still a dunk on those other players), PB brings up another player and it denigrates into a shit fight which MR piles into. Same old stuff.

Anyway back on topic: anyone would've loved for Dusty to play for their club. Prototypical mid/forward destroyer. You can balance the other attributes he lacked with different types of players and Hardwick did so beautifully.

Idk what the comparison post was but I doubt he bagged somebody. Feats of greatness need to be compared to something to have meaning.

Is 3 norm smiths good?

If 3 is the record yes it is

If 15 is the record 3 is meh

Like I said some people are touchy. PB responded to a stat Dusty beat GAJ in by chucking in Stevie J to essentially say it means nothing. He couldn’t help himself, and he’s not the only one that does this.

 

[PhatBoy]

Idk what the comparison post was but I doubt he bagged somebody. Feats of greatness need to be compared to something to have meaning.

Is 3 norm smiths good?

If 3 is the record yes it is

If 15 is the record 3 is meh

Like I said some people are touchy. PB responded to a stat Dusty beat GAJ in by chucking in Stevie J to essentially say it means nothing. He couldn’t help himself, and he’s not the only one that does this.

Sorry I didn’t say it meant nothing. You missed the point completely. The point was that it was a stat where he wasn’t being compared to the most appropriate players to compare him to. In the last quarter century I would say the best players in that role of having an impact both on, and forward of, the ball, have been Martin, Johnson, and Akermanis who I have not bothered counting for but I would assume has also had 20-2 a hell of a lot. Not Ablett and not Dangerfield.

 

[Mr Meow]

Idk what the comparison post was but I doubt he bagged somebody. Feats of greatness need to be compared to something to have meaning.

Is 3 norm smiths good?

If 3 is the record yes it is

If 15 is the record 3 is meh

Like I said some people are touchy. PB responded to a stat Dusty beat GAJ in by chucking in Stevie J to essentially say it means nothing. He couldn’t help himself, and he’s not the only one that does this.

Noidy doesn't make Dusty posts without trying to throw other players under the bus, because his whole MO is to convince people that they don't rate Martin as high as they should (above all other modern players). That's the long and short of it. However it's tacky and abrasive to try and start those heated debates in a thread like this. There are other threads for that, at other times. Now's the time to acknowledge a champion without needing to say he was better or worse than this player, that player etc.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Noidy doesn't make Dusty posts without trying to throw other players under the bus, because his whole MO is to convince people that they don't rate Martin as high as they should (above all other modern players). That's the long and short of it. However it's tacky and abrasive to try and start those heated debates in a thread like this. There are other threads for that, at other times. Now's the time to acknowledge a champion without needing to say he was better or worse than this player, that player etc.

It is perfectly normal for people to acknowledge a player retiring by saying where they think he fits into the hierarchy of players.

If people were being even handed they would say on retirement:

Franklin was the best specialist forward this century and by a distance.

Ablett was the best midfielder over his whole career and comfortably.

Dusty is the best mid-forward, best big game player, and had an astonishing 4-6 year run where, when you consider his best season, and his finals performances, nobody has come close to matching.

You are way out of step with reality saying it is inappropriate to pass judgements like this in a player's retirement thread. Posters have made these type of statements or equivalent throughout the thread without raising an eyebrow, and prominent football commentators are doing the exact same thing.

Where you are talking about players who were genuinely the best or seriously in the conversation to be considered the best in some way, it is absolutely fine to give a view on it, basically everybody does. But when a Richmond supporter provides evidence to frank the assessment, you suddenly think it is inappropriate. Stop being silly.

 

[Mr Meow]

It is perfectly normal for people to acknowledge a player retiring by saying where they think he fits into the hierarchy of players.

If people were being even handed they would say on retirement:

Franklin was the best specialist forward this century and by a distance.

Ablett was the best midfielder over his whole career and comfortably.

Dusty is the best mid-forward, best big game player, and had an astonishing 4-6 year run where, when you consider his best season, and his finals performances, nobody has come close to matching.

You are way out of step with reality saying it is inappropriate to pass judgements like this in a player's retirement thread. Posters have made these type of statements or equivalent throughout the thread without raising an eyebrow, and prominent football commentators are doing the exact same thing.

Where you are talking about players who were genuinely the best or seriously in the conversation to be considered the best in some way, it is absolutely fine to give a view on it, basically everybody does. But when a Richmond supporter provides evidence to frank the assessment, you suddenly think it is inappropriate. Stop being silly.

Stop being abrasive. Do better.

I'm not engaging.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Sorry I didn’t say it meant nothing. You missed the point completely. The point was that it was a stat where he wasn’t being compared to the most appropriate players to compare him to. In the last quarter century I would say the best players in that role of having an impact both on, and forward of, the ball, have been Martin, Johnson, and Akermanis who I have not bothered counting for but I would assume has also had 20-2 a hell of a lot. Not Ablett and not Dangerfield.

You don't even seem to have a grip on either what Hoyne was saying, or what your own champion players have achieved.

Ablett got 20 + 2 91 times in his career from my count. I have it at 32 times before 2010 and 59 times from 2010 onwards.

Dangerfield didn't get 20 + 2 before 2010, but has done it 58 times since.

Dusty achieved it 69 times in his career.

What Hoyne was saying is since Martin debuted nobody has got 20+ disposals and 2+ goals more than Martin. Ablett actually did it more times in his career and at a higher rate per match played.

Ablett 91 times from 357 matches @ once per 3.92 matches played.

Martin 69 times from 302 matches @ once per 4.38 matches played.

So Martin, whilst very very strong, is not uniquely good in this stat. Where he gets uniquely good is in Preliminary and Grand Finals. He played in 3 Grand Finals and 4 Prelims and got 20+ and 2+ goals in all bar one of them. That was the 2018 PF where we know Martin was carrying an injury that badly restricted him.

Dangerfield got 20 + 2 only 3 times in finals, 2 of those were Prelims or Grand Finals, from 9 such matches.

Ablett got 20 + 2 in 3 finals out of 25. He did it twice in Prelims or Grand Finals from 11 matches.

The reason I think players as good as Dangerfield and Ablett did it 4 times combined from a combined 20 Prelims and GF's is because it is very difficult to do. Which gives perspective to Martin's 6 times from 7 PF & GF's - even allowing for the fact Dusty played a higher percentage of these finals in his prime.

For the record Akermanis got 20+ and 2+ 52 times in his 325 game career. He hit the mark 2 times from 12 PF and GF appearances.

Johnson I counted 68 times in his 293 game career, someone earlier this thread said 69. In PF & GF's combined he got 20+ and 2+ twice from 12 appearances.

So Akermanis, Johnson, Ablett, Dangerfield got 20+ disposals and 2+ goals 8 times from 44 PF and GF's.

That obviously shows it is not easy to do as these are about the most likely candidates this century.

Dusty got 20+ disposals and 2+ goals in all 6 of the PF's and GF's he entered fit, and 6 of 7 overall.

 

[PhatBoy]

You don't even seem to have a grip on either what Hoyne was saying, or what your own champion players have achieved.

Ablett got 20 + 2 91 times in his career from my count. I have it at 32 times before 2010 and 59 times from 2010 onwards.

Dangerfield didn't get 20 + 2 before 2010, but has done it 58 times since.

Dusty achieved it 69 times in his career.

What Hoyne was saying is since Martin debuted nobody has got 20+ disposals and 2+ goals more than Martin. Ablett actually did it more times in his career and at a higher rate per match played.

Ablett 91 times from 357 matches @ once per 3.92 matches played.

Martin 69 times from 302 matches @ once per 4.38 matches played.

So Martin, whilst very very strong, is not uniquely good in this stat. Where he gets uniquely good is in Preliminary and Grand Finals. He played in 3 Grand Finals and 4 Prelims and got 20+ and 2+ goals in all bar one of them. That was the 2018 PF where we know Martin was carrying an injury that badly restricted him.

Dangerfield got 20 + 2 only 3 times in finals, 2 of those were Prelims or Grand Finals, from 9 such matches.

Ablett got 20 + 2 in 3 finals out of 25. He did it twice in Prelims or Grand Finals from 11 matches.

The reason Dangerfield and Ablett did it 4 times combined from a combined 20 Prelims and GF's is because it is very difficult to do. Which gives perspective to Martin's 6 times from 7 PF & GF's - even allowing for the fact Dusty played a higher percentage of these finals in his prime.

For the record Akermanis got 20+ and 2+ 52 times in his 325 game career. He hit the mark 2 times from 12 PF and GF appearances.

Johnson I counted 68 times in his 293 game career, someone earlier this thread said 69. In PF & GF's combined he got 20+ and 2+ twice from 12 appearances.

So Akermanis, Johnson, Ablett, Dangerfield got 20+ disposals and 2+ goals 8 times from 44 PF and GF's.

That obviously shows it is not easy to do as these are about the most likely candidates this century.

Dusty got 20+ disposals and 2+ goals in all 6 of the PF's and GF's he entered fit, and 6 of 7 overall.

Couldn’t be more pleased for you.

As I said, I don’t think Ablett for the majority of his career was remotely the same type of player that Martin is regardless and wouldn’t choose to compare them on that stat anyway and I wasn’t talking to you when I addressed it.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Couldn’t be more pleased for you.

As I said, I don’t think Ablett for the majority of his career was remotely the same type of player that Martin is regardless and wouldn’t choose to compare them on that stat anyway and I wasn’t talking to you when I addressed it.

You should be thanking me for making the picture more clear for you as I could see you looked to be running with some shaky assumptions there PB.

 

[PhatBoy]

You should be thanking me for making the picture more clear for you as I could see you looked to be running with some shaky assumptions there PB.

Thank you

 

[Sully111]

Love Dusty as a player. Wish him well.

Didn't carry on with a false tough guy act... didn't duck for frees.... just got with being an awesome footballer. Best finals player I've seen.

 

[sid the dog]

one more game and he could of retired under Rule 303.........the Breaker.

 

[Lia]

I remember just laughing during the final quarter of the 2020 covid cup at how good this guy was in another big game.

 

[Swan4Life]

Still reckon Richmond stuffed up not accepting our pre-draft trade offer of Dusty for Gary Rohan

23

Gary Rohan

Age

33

Ht

189cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.2

5star

G

1.2

4star

and a second rounder.

Their loss.

 

[Sainter3and7]

I truly hope people don't take this stuff too seriously. It's big footy!

In that spirit, I'd like to add that Dusty was not only sublime with his football skills, he was more than handy with Chopsticks.

 

[Caesarr]

People say Dusty started out late but from my memory, he was on it from the very first game. Aside from that 2012 season, he always performed at a very high level. For example, in 2013, he was second in the comp for score involvments. 2011 was also one of his best seasons from a goals POV. He was unlucky to not snag a couple of BNFs from 2013-15.

 

[Cdog71]

Always thought he was a great example for kids the way he played.
Didn’t engage the umps or react to or hope for the whistle and proved the point, the competitor you need to worry about the most is the one that doesn’t give a sh.t about you not the one who’s trying to get you off your game.

*the GWS game in 2019 against Deboer is the only game I remember frustration getting the better of him

 

[Grrr]

Dusty the Clint Eastwood of football. Doesn't bother with niceties and trivialities, let's his deeds do his talking, shoots from the hip, 1000 yard stare, dispenses with opponents as he sees fit, fills the room when he walks in, and any number of other cliches you can think off. Dusty vs Clint, not much in it.

 

[western royboy]

Dusty the Clint Eastwood of football. Doesn't bother with niceties and trivialities, let's his deeds do his talking, shoots from the hip, 1000 yard stare, dispenses with opponents as he sees fit, fills the room when he walks in, and any number of other cliches you can think off. Dusty vs Clint, not much in it.

Would he pull off the Poncho?

 

[Xtreme]

Dusty will be the GOAT in retirement, just like he was the GOAT in his playing days.

 

[Grrr]

Would he pull off the Poncho?

What do you reckon. Might have to cover up the tatts, bandana, and get rid of the Dusty cut.

 

[Football Tragic]

I think Dusty will find a nice mountain in the Himalayas to mediate on and then trek around the world, incognito (well, as incognito Dusty can be!)

 

[Cyclops]

Dusty the Clint Eastwood of football. Doesn't bother with niceties and trivialities, let's his deeds do his talking, shoots from the hip, 1000 yard stare, dispenses with opponents as he sees fit, fills the room when he walks in, and any number of other cliches you can think off. Dusty vs Clint, not much in it.

Agree, except a tiny nitpick: the "1000 yard stare" i think means a vacant dissociated expression eg shell shocked soldiers. Sigma mansplainers seem to think it means an intense aware expression but that's not it.

Dusty was a tiger to the core, a football carnivore happy to predate, scavenge or steal kills. The ball was his prey and God help anyone who came between the hunter and his prey.

He's the best big game player I've seen, and I saw Brereton, Ayres, Picken, Snake Baker and Jesaulenko. Cast iron skills, you could punch him in the face and his focus didn't shift.

 

[western royboy]

Dusty will be the GOAT in retirement, just like he was the GOAT in his playing days.

This is disappointing and not up to your usual standards - pop back over to the Bruce Lehrmann - we miss you

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Also well done to Ralph Carr for setting him up financially for life.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Heeney timing impeccable.
I’m thinking to myself watching what a ****ing amazing last quarter. Just ripping a game out of a teams hands with freakish match winning ability, **** that reminds me of someone…