Strength Weight Training: Anything and Everything II

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Glorfindel said:
A 2 second google search suggests it’s based on body weight

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Yes but somepne 180cn vs someone 160cm is a big difference. On top of that you could have elite endurance in every area, get to the semi finals and fail due to the weight. Some of the those athletes struggled and couldnt get all reps in one go.
 
Purple7x08_24 said:
Crossfit is so ******* stupid. They've got a Semi finals workout 'Linda'

41KG dumbell bench press 10 reps, 9, 8....1 for men

How the * do they come up with these numbers.
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Purple7x08_24 said:
Yes but somepne 180cn vs someone 160cm is a big difference. On top of that you could have elite endurance in every area, get to the semi finals and fail due to the weight. Some of the those athletes struggled and couldnt get all reps in one go.
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I think the main problem is I've never seen a crossfitter bench before

OHPs yeah, but never bench
 
go you pups said:
I think the main problem is I've never seen a crossfitter bench before

OHPs yeah, but never bench
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That link to "Lynda" I posted is from 2009 so if Crossfitters still aren't programming bench press more fool them.
I attended a few crossfit certs (and the games) around 2013 and bench press was taught at all of them as far back as then.
 

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Purple7x08_24 said:
Yes but somepne 180cn vs someone 160cm is a big difference. On top of that you could have elite endurance in every area, get to the semi finals and fail due to the weight. Some of the those athletes struggled and couldnt get all reps in one go.
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Do you mean 180/160lb not cm? Not sure what relevance someone's height is to dumbbell bench press otherwise.

And well yeah . . . strength is a component of CrossFit/lifting weights so if you're not as strong as your competitors do you really deserve to win/progress through? And athletes missing reps happens all the time in strongman (including at WSM events) and it's not a big deal.
Besides, nothing is ever going to beat the pegboard fiasco of the 2015 Games where iirc over half the field couldn't complete it lol.
 
Glorfindel said:
Do you mean 180/160lb not cm? Not sure what relevance someone's height is to dumbbell bench press otherwise.

And well yeah . . . strength is a component of CrossFit/lifting weights so if you're not as strong as your competitors do you really deserve to win/progress through? And athletes missing reps happens all the time in strongman (including at WSM events) and it's not a big deal.
Besides, nothing is ever going to beat the pegboard fiasco of the 2015 Games where iirc over half the field couldn't complete it lol.
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It’s relevant if you are using a % of body weight to determine a handicap system for how much you need to lift. Someone who is 5’10 and 90kg is going to outperform someone who is 6’5 and 90kg in just about every lift
 
Jugada said:
It’s relevant if you are using a % of body weight to determine a handicap system for how much you need to lift. Someone who is 5’10 and 90kg is going to outperform someone who is 6’5 and 90kg in just about every lift
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What mathematical formula should they use to determine the weight each athlete uses?
And are you and Purple7x08_24 going to write to WSM to argue that shorter athletes should get to use smaller platforms on loading events, or that the NBA should have a variable height ring to accommodate for different height athletes?
Advantages (and disadvantages) due to size exist in every sport.
That same 6'5" guy that might be disadvantaged on a DB press will have the advantage on a rowing machine, running and probs a few other events.
Just the way it rolls.
 
Glorfindel said:
What mathematical formula should they use to determine the weight each athlete uses?
And are you and Purple7x08_24 going to write to WSM to argue that shorter athletes should get to use smaller platforms on loading events, or that the NBA should have a variable height ring to accommodate for different height athletes?
Advantages (and disadvantages) due to size exist in every sport.
That same 6'5" guy that might be disadvantaged on a DB press will have the advantage on a rowing machine, running and probs a few other events.
Just the way it rolls.
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My main point was that you could be an elite level track athlete, switch to crossfit, dominate in most activities but fail miserably at the semi finals due to the stupid bench press exercise. It's then not about endurance but total strength being the determining factor in whether you proceed or not.

This is one of the many reasons why crossfit fails.

Weightlifting has weight categories, powerlifting, martial arts but it's completely ignored at the crossfit level.
It's incredibly difficult to be a small framed person and compete at a high level in crossfit. The most I ever could get in bench was 40X6 reps and my ffmi is good.
 
Glorfindel said:
What mathematical formula should they use to determine the weight each athlete uses?
And are you and Purple7x08_24 going to write to WSM to argue that shorter athletes should get to use smaller platforms on loading events, or that the NBA should have a variable height ring to accommodate for different height athletes?
Advantages (and disadvantages) due to size exist in every sport.
That same 6'5" guy that might be disadvantaged on a DB press will have the advantage on a rowing machine, running and probs a few other events.
Just the way it rolls.
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I don’t care enough to do anything but I’m sure there is a better formula. I’m just saying why the point has relevance
 
Purple7x08_24 said:
My main point was that you could be an elite level track athlete, switch to crossfit, dominate in most activities but fail miserably at the semi finals due to the stupid bench press exercise. It's then not about endurance but total strength being the determining factor in whether you proceed or not.

This is one of the many reasons why crossfit fails.

Weightlifting has weight categories, powerlifting, martial arts but it's completely ignored at the crossfit level.
It's incredibly difficult to be a small framed person and compete at a high level in crossfit. The most I ever could get in bench was 40X6 reps and my ffmi is good.
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But CrossFit isn't only about endurance, so to complain that an enduro freak is at a disadvantage when it comes to strength is like complaining that the 100m sprint is an unfair event because Kipchoge wouldn't make an Olympic final.

How is it failing exacty? I'd guess the open is much more highly participated that all powerlifting, strongman and weightlifting events combined which is a pretty good metric of a sport's success.

World Strongest man doesn't have weight categories. Neither do >90% of sports. Where's your gripe with shotput, discus, javelin, long jump, decathlon, cycling, table tennis, BMX, snowboard cross, aerial skiing, surfing (do I go on?).
Yeah and? It's incredibly difficult to be a big framed person and compete at a high level in marathons. Some people are genetically better suited to certain sports. If that wasn't the case elite sport wouldn't exist because then everyone would be elite.
 
Glorfindel said:
That link to "Lynda" I posted is from 2009 so if Crossfitters still aren't programming bench press more fool them.
I attended a few crossfit certs (and the games) around 2013 and bench press was taught at all of them as far back as then.
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I've seen so many of their home gyms through lockdowns and stuff

Not a bench to be found and if they do have one, it's just one of those budget Rogue flat ones

Probably the only crossfitter I've seen bench is Dan Bailey

They only seem to do floor based lifts when they're not kipping on a chin up bar
 
Jugada said:
It’s relevant if you are using a % of body weight to determine a handicap system for how much you need to lift. Someone who is 5’10 and 90kg is going to outperform someone who is 6’5 and 90kg in just about every lift
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This

The 6"5 skinny guy might have him covered in bodyweight exercises/callisthenics and cardio though
 
Purple7x08_24 said:
My main point was that you could be an elite level track athlete, switch to crossfit, dominate in most activities but fail miserably at the semi finals due to the stupid bench press exercise. It's then not about endurance but total strength being the determining factor in whether you proceed or not.

This is one of the many reasons why crossfit fails.

Weightlifting has weight categories, powerlifting, martial arts but it's completely ignored at the crossfit level.
It's incredibly difficult to be a small framed person and compete at a high level in crossfit. The most I ever could get in bench was 40X6 reps and my ffmi is good.
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Uh yeah. That's why it's called CrossFit. It's a measure of your fitness over a range of areas. If you're a good runner but not a lifter then no you're not going to win the CrossFit Games.

And as for height it evens itself out over the events. As a short-statured person I especially struggle with wall balls but my deadlifts and burpees are great. Some of the best CrossFitters are short. Tia-Clair is only about 5 foot and I don't think Mat Fraser is that tall either.

Edit. Fraser is 5 foot 6.
 
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Bench is a regular movement at my box.
 

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go you pups said:
This

The 6"5 skinny guy might have him covered in bodyweight exercises/callisthenics and cardio though
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Hey I saw you built your own gym, I'm thinking of doing the same for a low cost because when I relocate I want to ditch my gym membership so I can workout in peace. Looking at doing more functional workouts as I'm getting to that age where I think high level strength is overrated and not going to overly help my jitsu.

Probably looking at a cheap squat rack with pullup and dip bars
20/30/40 slam balls
Ropes

Just trying to work out what to do to have functional strength in hamstrings and forearms without spending a crap load of money on db's or trap bars etc, kettlebells etc.

Slam balls, a barbell and 120KG of weight with a squat rack should be able to hit most muscle groups.

Trying to work out what sort of exercises I can do with minimal equipment.

I've already got gym mats but what do you reckon
 
Anyone else watch IPF worlds the last week?

Girl from our gym broke the deadlift world record on her opener, extended it on her second and the favourite bombed on deadlifts so had an opportunity to pull for third place and to break the deadlift world record a third time but just fell short, probably .5 of a kg too heavy.
 
raskolnikov said:
Uh yeah. That's why it's called CrossFit. It's a measure of your fitness over a range of areas. If you're a good runner but not a lifter then no you're not going to win the CrossFit Games.

And as for height it evens itself out over the events. As a short-statured person I especially struggle with wall balls but my deadlifts and burpees are great. Some of the best CrossFitters are short. Tia-Clair is only about 5 foot and I don't think Mat Fraser is that tall either.

Edit. Fraser is 5 foot 6.
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This is like when theyve done those overall assesments for fitness to try and determine the fittest sport.

Most people think of marathon runners or cyclists or triathletes as being the most "fit" but from memory it was usually boxers and the like noting they never "won" any individual category of fitness but they were always in the top 20% sort of thing. If i remember this was pre cross fit being a thing.

Obviously a marathon runner will smash all in cardio but then get absolutely flogged in strength and power tests etc.
 
phantom13 said:
This is like when theyve done those overall assesments for fitness to try and determine the fittest sport.

Most people think of marathon runners or cyclists or triathletes as being the most "fit" but from memory it was usually boxers and the like noting they never "won" any individual category of fitness but they were always in the top 20% sort of thing. If i remember this was pre cross fit being a thing.

Obviously a marathon runner will smash all in cardio but then get absolutely flogged in strength and power tests etc.
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IIRC Sumo wrestlers tend to score surprisingly high overall. Strength, power, repeat efforts, flexibility etc.
 
RU_ said:
Anyone else watch IPF worlds the last week?

Girl from our gym broke the deadlift world record on her opener, extended it on her second and the favourite bombed on deadlifts so had an opportunity to pull for third place and to break the deadlift world record a third time but just fell short, probably .5 of a kg too heavy.
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Nice!

That was the comp in Malta, right? Girl from my gym competed too if that's the case.
 
Mr Bultitude said:
Nice!

That was the comp in Malta, right? Girl from my gym competed too if that's the case.
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Yeah in Malta!

Natalie in the 84+ was from my gym.
Pulled for a podium spot but was probably .5kg too heavy, very close. She did fantastic for her first worlds though and broke the deadlift world record on her opener.

Who competed from your gym?
 
Mr Bultitude said:
That's sick!

Brittany competed from my gym (U76)
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She did great!

It really is amazing to watch people you train with on the world stage.

Also - if the IPF could not mess up the spelling on the banner next year, that would be great 🤦🏻‍♂️.
 

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