Toast Welcome Jack Carroll

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Go you Zebras??? What the.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

 

[austinnn]

I don't get this appointment at all. Carroll seems OK but not elite.

We dont have that many list spots.

We have a midfield stacked with "ok" mids already.

We are SURELY finally going to be drafting at least one of the top midfielders in the land which adds one or possibly two to our midfield.

We are a bit low on key position players now.

This is making me very nervous that we will look to draft key position players in one of deepest mid drafts in recent times and keep our midfield free of elite talent for another year.

Aside from replacing Zac Jones from next year, can anyone explain why we are doing this?

 

[tin tin]

This is a Carlton viewpoint, so take it for what it is: I hope Jack Carroll does well at the Saints. I was sorry to lose Dow last year (his 2024 was ruined by injury) and I feel a bit the same about Jack.

JC is a good mover in traffic. Doesn't seem to panic in congestion. Not a great kick but not horrible either. I saw the comment from St Kilda that he was quick. I am not sure about that. He might be fast in a flat race but he is not explosive in a football sense. He does have a good sidestep and is pretty good in traffic. I saw him as a K-mart Pendlebury. Seems to have time and space in a shoebox. He has some of Pendlebury's traits but nowhere near the ability or consistency.

Carroll is very one-sided. Left side or bust. Not unusual for lefties. He handballs well in traffic. Marks pretty well over his head and is deceptively tall. Can find the goals too. He is not prolific as a goal kicker but he is capable. JC is a different player type, but was seen as being in competition with Dow last year. He now probably has that problem again. A bit like Paddy, Jack is not that versatile. It is pretty much midfield or bust. Maybe a pinch hit HF or HB for a bit, but it is not his go. He is not really a wingman either. It may be part of the reason both were let go.

The problem for JC is he does not get a lot of the footy. In a full game his best is about 20 touches. He is not particularly devastating with these touches to be a difference maker (at least not yet - he should have improvement in him). Dow gets leather poisoning at VFL level but has never quite translated it to AFL. Though, I think Dow is more likely to have a 30-touch game than JC is. JC gets a bit of the ball at VFL level but not to the level Dow does. Is JC a better kick? Maybe. As I said earlier: good, but not great.

JC is a solid citizen, who like Dow, had plenty of friends at the club (unlike Stocker, who apparently didn't). JC is a better chance to significantly improve his football than Dow is. That is the question: will he get better? He could. He has AFL traits and I would have preferred we kept him. I think we moved him on to (a) accommodate at least three midfielders in the draft - pick 3 and the Camporeales, (b) create list space to get a key defender in, and (c) ease the salary cap, as draftees cost less $.

There are a few good players that were let go at clubs this year. I genuinely think JC was unlucky. I watch the list closely and I was surprised. He was out of contract at the wrong time. At worst, JC will be an okay depth player that will help the twos and play a few solid ones games. He might also take the next step and be a 150 game player. It is probably unlikely, but not impossible. I genuinely hope he makes the most of the chance.

 

[luca77]

This is a Carlton viewpoint, so take it for what it is: I hope Jack Carroll does well at the Saints. I was sorry to lose Dow last year (his 2024 was ruined by injury) and I feel a bit the same about Jack.

JC is a good mover in traffic. Doesn't seem to panic in congestion. Not a great kick but not horrible either. I saw the comment from St Kilda that he was quick. I am not sure about that. He might be fast in a flat race but he is not explosive in a football sense. He does have a good sidestep and is pretty good in traffic. I saw him as a K-mart Pendlebury. Seems to have time and space in a shoebox. He has some of Pendlebury's traits but nowhere near the ability or consistency.

Carroll is very one-sided. Left side or bust. Not unusual for lefties. He handballs well in traffic. Marks pretty well over his head and is deceptively tall. Can find the goals too. He is not prolific as a goal kicker but he is capable. JC is a different player type, but was seen as being in competition with Dow last year. He now probably has that problem again. A bit like Paddy, Jack is not that versatile. It is pretty much midfield or bust. Maybe a pinch hit HF or HB for a bit, but it is not his go. He is not really a wingman either. It may be part of the reason both were let go.

The problem for JC is he does not get a lot of the footy. In a full game his best is about 20 touches. He is not particularly devastating with these touches to be a difference maker (at least not yet - he should have improvement in him). Dow gets leather poisoning at VFL level but has never quite translated it to AFL. Though, I think Dow is more likely to have a 30-touch game than JC is. JC gets a bit of the ball at VFL level but not to the level Dow does. Is JC a better kick? Maybe. As I said earlier: good, but not great.

JC is a solid citizen, who like Dow, had plenty of friends at the club (unlike Stocker, who apparently didn't). JC is a better chance to significantly improve his football than Dow is. That is the question: will he get better? He could. He has AFL traits and I would have preferred we kept him. I think we moved him on to (a) accommodate at least three midfielders in the draft - pick 3 and the Camporeales, (b) create list space to get a key defender in, and (c) ease the salary cap, as draftees cost less $.

There are a few good players that were let go at clubs this year. I genuinely think JC was unlucky. I watch the list closely and I was surprised. He was out of contract at the wrong time. At worst, JC will be an okay depth player that will help the twos and play a few solid ones games. He might also take the next step and be a 150 game player. It is probably unlikely, but not impossible. I genuinely hope he makes the most of the chance.

Thanks very much for all that, great stuff.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Reckon he plays more games for you then Dow next year.

 

[SG34]

I don't get this appointment at all. Carroll seems OK but not elite.

We dont have that many list spots.

We have a midfield stacked with "ok" mids already.

We are SURELY finally going to be drafting at least one of the top midfielders in the land which adds one or possibly two to our midfield.

We are a bit low on key position players now.

This is making me very nervous that we will look to draft key position players in one of deepest mid drafts in recent times and keep our midfield free of elite talent for another year.

Aside from replacing Zac Jones from next year, can anyone explain why we are doing this?

We do seem to have a revolving door for middling-mids..

Bytel was loved by fans (I think) and when let go, some asked why?
In a similar way that Carlton fans asked why Paddy Dow was let go?
Now we have another. Let’s see how it goes.

Evidently he’s no Daicos and Voss has been around long enough, and he was a monster of a mid himself - he knows what it means to a kid to make him sub. Guess/conclude he just don’t rate him.

Meanwhile we have a lot of injury prone middling mids, so like the Soviet army on the Eastern Front - we’ll do it with numbers!!

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Jack who?

 

[bergholt]

Meanwhile we have a lot of injury prone middling mids, so like the Soviet army on the Eastern Front - we’ll do it with numbers!!

One of them has to be fit each week, surely!

 

[Banger9798]

WTF? ..just when I had a couple of days not stalking footy chat forums, we sign someone...Welcome Jack (naturally!)

 

[BigMonty]

Is he a better version of Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

. If so he's an upgrade.

Blues are hard to read sometimes and Voss has a bit of opinion on some players over others... if he is no worse than Stocker then it's a win.

Prefer him to a later draft pick who statistically are hit and miss.

Maybe he is the next Mason Wood

32

Mason Wood

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.3

2star

D

8.3

2star

K

2.7

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

...hopefully

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[Joffaboy]

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Why? He was recruited the year after SoS left.
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