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Saintscomemarchingin said:
A midfield made up of partly Carroll, Dow & Stocker, is going to take us to the holy grail.
You wait & wait & wait.
I never used to be a pessimist.
This club has made me so.
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Supported by bit players like Steele, Crouch, Macrae, Sinclair, Windhager, Jones, Clark, Phillipou, Henry, Garcia, Owens, Pick 7, Pick 8
 
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SaintersUnite said:
That was unexpected, thought if we’d get a delisted FA it would be Taylor or Tomlinson. Didn’t even know Carroll got delisted.

But welcome Jack!


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I think most Saints fans were surprised. Not many were expecting a DFA signing last Friday morning. Carrol might be competing with Dow for that midfield spot and based on this year there is a chance Carrol plays more often than Dow. Hopefully Dow really kicks on with a big preseason.
 
Armoooo said:
SoS is not dodging the allegations with these antics.

Funnily enough the only one of his former players he doesn't rate is his son.
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Carroll was drafted a year after SOS left, so he is not one of SOS's former players.

SOS left his role as list manager on 4 December 2019. Carroll was taken in the 2020 National Draft.
 
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Jack Carrol’s draft profile

POSITION: Balanced Midfielder

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Carroll is a versatile midfield option with neat skills, shrewd decision making, and a strong athletic base - all of which drive his ceiling high." - Michael Alvaro

A broken wrist cut Jack Carroll's promising top-age campaign short after seven WAFL Colts outings, but the 17-year-old still managed to showcase plenty of the traits which have him pegged as a potential first rounder. The East Fremantle product had previously come to prominence as a classy half-back/wingman, but attended many more centre bounces this season to transition into a more balanced midfield game. While still quite light, the smooth moving left-footer has terrific poise and provides great value going forward with his skill execution on the move. Across his junior career, Carroll has represented Western Australia at Under 16s level, but missed out on the chance to run out in this year's WA Under 18 All-Star showcases due to his untimely injury. He did manage to register some data at the Draft Combine though, showcasing his exciting athletic attributes. He is also one of the youngest players available in this year's draft, lending to the prospect of plenty more improvement to come.

STRENGTHS:

  • Disposal efficiency
  • Decision making
  • Clean hands
  • Athleticism
  • Versatility
  • Upside
  • Class
IMPROVEMENTS:

  • Strength
  • Post-injury durability
Like many players tagged with the trendy 'upside' buzzword, Carroll has a diverse range of weapons which help him stand out above his peers. A key trait which he has carried throughout his time in a range of positions has been an elite combination of decision making and disposal efficiency. Carroll is particularly effective by foot, as he can hit targets with ease on his favoured left side and open up the game on the end of carving moves out of congestion. He is the kind of player who you want to be delivering the ball inside 50, as he is often able to lower his eyes and hit-up leading targets. Carroll's proficiency in this area also lends to his versatility, as he can start his career as a running half-back before transitioning into that classy midfielder.

Something which has aided Carroll's move into midfield at Under 18s level has been his clean hands. He averaged 22.9 disposals in this year's WAFL Colts competition and accumulated them in a variety of ways. Most significantly, he was able to swiftly collect ground balls before using his mix of speed, agility, and poise to come away with the pill and dispose of it effectively. At 188cm, Carroll is also the modern midfielder's height and is one who can jump for big marks. The West Australian proved his vertical aptitude at the Draft Combine with running jumps of over 84cm off either foot, which combines ever so well with his clean hands to enable overhead marking.

Another aspect of that kind of play is Carroll's courage. He may only be listed at 76kg, but is seldom afraid to run back with the flight of the ball or win it at the contest. Somewhat surprisingly, Carroll led the WAFL Colts this year for contested possessions (15 per game), proving his aptitude in that side of the game. As he progresses as a midfielder, Carroll will need to fill out and build the strength required to consistently compete in the engine room, as he can often go to ground or be blanketed by contact. But once afforded an inch, Carroll takes a mile as his athleticism and outstanding awareness allows him to evade would-be tacklers and be gone in a flash.

Something clubs will undoubtedly also look into is the fact that Carroll is a December-birth, meaning he could well see a greater rate of improvement in years to come compared to those born at the start of 2002. With a couple of preseasons at the top level, his strength will improve alongside that explosiveness which is so important to many athletic midfielders in the modern game. It could also allow him to develop in a range of roles; either at half-back as he is already comfortable with, on the outside, or even at half-forward. Carroll booted four goals from midfield this season and has the class by foot to do so more often. In his most dominant game, he collected 31 disposals and snared two majors against eventual Grand Finalists, Claremont, giving a glimpse into the kind of form he can produce on the end of a consistent run.

That particular game was in Round 7 (of nine), and Carroll's season was ultimately ended the very next week. It proved a rather unfortunate or freak occurrence as his hand was stood on in the penultimate home-and-away round, causing a fracture in his scaphoid bone. The timing of the injury meant Carroll would not be able to play in the end-of-season All-Star fixtures, but the marked improvements he showed throughout 2020 and his enormous potential have him pitted as a prospect which recruiters will be keen to get into their club and develop quickly.

DRAFT PROJECTION: 15-30

Carroll has risen steeply this year to be considered towards the end of the first round. He is exactly the type of player that clubs will take a chance on perhaps earlier than what his true value suggests based purely on his potential; a tall midfielder with great athleticism, skill, and poise. His versatility is a big tick too, as he may not quite be ready physically to handle midfield minutes in the AFL, but can bide his time in other roles and make an impact with ball in hand. He may fall into the second round and would prove a shrewd pick in that range for a club which has the capacity to develop a player before throwing them into the deep end. Carroll will also most likely find a home interstate, given Fremantle's need to cover NGA bids, and West Coast's current hand coming into play after pick 33.
 
Never heard of him before, but is young and from reading the above, seems to have upside, so not the worst pick up. With the exception of Bonner, our bin picking recycled players have all been going more than okay, and benefitted the team (Dow never got going due to injury, so i'm giving him an out) I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt on this one.
I'm sure his acquisition has been thought about with objectivity and reason by those paid to know about such things 😅
 
MrFoster said:
Jack Carrol’s draft profile

POSITION: Balanced Midfielder

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Carroll is a versatile midfield option with neat skills, shrewd decision making, and a strong athletic base - all of which drive his ceiling high." - Michael Alvaro

A broken wrist cut Jack Carroll's promising top-age campaign short after seven WAFL Colts outings, but the 17-year-old still managed to showcase plenty of the traits which have him pegged as a potential first rounder. The East Fremantle product had previously come to prominence as a classy half-back/wingman, but attended many more centre bounces this season to transition into a more balanced midfield game. While still quite light, the smooth moving left-footer has terrific poise and provides great value going forward with his skill execution on the move. Across his junior career, Carroll has represented Western Australia at Under 16s level, but missed out on the chance to run out in this year's WA Under 18 All-Star showcases due to his untimely injury. He did manage to register some data at the Draft Combine though, showcasing his exciting athletic attributes. He is also one of the youngest players available in this year's draft, lending to the prospect of plenty more improvement to come.

STRENGTHS:

  • Disposal efficiency
  • Decision making
  • Clean hands
  • Athleticism
  • Versatility
  • Upside
  • Class
IMPROVEMENTS:

  • Strength
  • Post-injury durability
Like many players tagged with the trendy 'upside' buzzword, Carroll has a diverse range of weapons which help him stand out above his peers. A key trait which he has carried throughout his time in a range of positions has been an elite combination of decision making and disposal efficiency. Carroll is particularly effective by foot, as he can hit targets with ease on his favoured left side and open up the game on the end of carving moves out of congestion. He is the kind of player who you want to be delivering the ball inside 50, as he is often able to lower his eyes and hit-up leading targets. Carroll's proficiency in this area also lends to his versatility, as he can start his career as a running half-back before transitioning into that classy midfielder.

Something which has aided Carroll's move into midfield at Under 18s level has been his clean hands. He averaged 22.9 disposals in this year's WAFL Colts competition and accumulated them in a variety of ways. Most significantly, he was able to swiftly collect ground balls before using his mix of speed, agility, and poise to come away with the pill and dispose of it effectively. At 188cm, Carroll is also the modern midfielder's height and is one who can jump for big marks. The West Australian proved his vertical aptitude at the Draft Combine with running jumps of over 84cm off either foot, which combines ever so well with his clean hands to enable overhead marking.

Another aspect of that kind of play is Carroll's courage. He may only be listed at 76kg, but is seldom afraid to run back with the flight of the ball or win it at the contest. Somewhat surprisingly, Carroll led the WAFL Colts this year for contested possessions (15 per game), proving his aptitude in that side of the game. As he progresses as a midfielder, Carroll will need to fill out and build the strength required to consistently compete in the engine room, as he can often go to ground or be blanketed by contact. But once afforded an inch, Carroll takes a mile as his athleticism and outstanding awareness allows him to evade would-be tacklers and be gone in a flash.

Something clubs will undoubtedly also look into is the fact that Carroll is a December-birth, meaning he could well see a greater rate of improvement in years to come compared to those born at the start of 2002. With a couple of preseasons at the top level, his strength will improve alongside that explosiveness which is so important to many athletic midfielders in the modern game. It could also allow him to develop in a range of roles; either at half-back as he is already comfortable with, on the outside, or even at half-forward. Carroll booted four goals from midfield this season and has the class by foot to do so more often. In his most dominant game, he collected 31 disposals and snared two majors against eventual Grand Finalists, Claremont, giving a glimpse into the kind of form he can produce on the end of a consistent run.

That particular game was in Round 7 (of nine), and Carroll's season was ultimately ended the very next week. It proved a rather unfortunate or freak occurrence as his hand was stood on in the penultimate home-and-away round, causing a fracture in his scaphoid bone. The timing of the injury meant Carroll would not be able to play in the end-of-season All-Star fixtures, but the marked improvements he showed throughout 2020 and his enormous potential have him pitted as a prospect which recruiters will be keen to get into their club and develop quickly.

DRAFT PROJECTION: 15-30

Carroll has risen steeply this year to be considered towards the end of the first round. He is exactly the type of player that clubs will take a chance on perhaps earlier than what his true value suggests based purely on his potential; a tall midfielder with great athleticism, skill, and poise. His versatility is a big tick too, as he may not quite be ready physically to handle midfield minutes in the AFL, but can bide his time in other roles and make an impact with ball in hand. He may fall into the second round and would prove a shrewd pick in that range for a club which has the capacity to develop a player before throwing them into the deep end. Carroll will also most likely find a home interstate, given Fremantle's need to cover NGA bids, and West Coast's current hand coming into play after pick 33.
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That write up makes him sound like sweet Baby Jesus! Oh, nice initials... maybe I'm onto something...
 
I hope it works out, just seems odd to throw out an old lounge , then go hunting round the hard waste on the nature strip for another.

We're still making excuses about why Paddy Dow "might" be good.
 

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SaintsSeptember said:
I hope it works out, just seems odd to throw out an old lounge , then go hunting round the hard waste on the nature strip for another.

We're still making excuses about why Paddy Dow "might" be good.
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Why all the 'glass half empty' doom and gloom SS? Every club needs soldiers and we are no different. We still need elite mids but no one ever suggested Dow, Carrol or Hall would be elite. If they contribute and support the elite kids we will be in a lot better position.

I am confident Phillipou, Garcia and Windhager will become A graders and if we grab another couple at this draft then we will be away. Even the best and most developed kids still need older players and big bodies around them for support at AFL level.

You have to remember losing Crouch last season was a huge loss, then we had injuries to nearly every other mid so our midfield was decimated at times this season. They are not great but they are a lot better than what we dished up in the first half of the season.
 
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mad-saint-guy said:
Agree with all of this. I don't know why we needed another "solid citizen" type with no outstanding traits and some clear limitations.
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I don't know anything for sure but I was in group where Misson was talking about how much money Saints are putting into analytics staff, software and compute and that this had identified Peatling before he'd made an impression in senior footy.
Maybe Carroll has rung a bell somewhere.

In his highlights he seemed to look before he kicked so maybe that was an anomaly in our database?
 
SteeleSaints said:
Why all the 'glass half empty' doom and gloom SS? Every club needs soldiers and we are no different. We still need elite mids but no one ever suggested Dow, Carrol or Hall would be elite. If they contribute and support the elite kids we will be in a lot better position.

I am confident Phillipou, Garcia and Windhager will become A graders and if we grab another couple at this draft then we will be away. Even the best and most developed kids still need older players and big bodies around them for support at AFL level.

You have to remember losing Crouch last season was a huge loss, then we had injuries to nearly every other mid so our midfield was decimated at times this season. They are not great but they are a lot better than what we dished up in the first half of the season.
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I just think we have plenty and i'd rather take a risk with the late pick.
Also does SOS not realize how stupid and pathetic it looks to take a Blues outcast every bloody year?
 
Couple Carlton posters thoughts when he got delisted:

'What a strange arc for Carroll, started the year playing a crucial roll in our come from behind win in round 0, to now being off of the list.

I get that he would’ve been depth and didn’t show enough throughout the rest of the year, but he was still so young.

Some team (especially a team that can improve players) is gonna get a really good one.

Thank you Jack, go well.'
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Think they might’ve got the Carroll’s the wrong way around :drunk:

Jack can play and at worst was great depth. Too good to just de-list.
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Disappointing, I was hoping we'd keep both Carrolls but it looks as Jack has another opportunity

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Most seemed pretty keen to keep him on. It's not like we're posting that about Hotton or Allison lol.

Maybe he'll find his groove with us.
 
Crikey ... guy is 21 .... and he showed plenty in the opening 4 rounds this season .... commentators were loving him ..... then was sub for a heap of games playing less than 50% TOG

That sort of gametime is always going to stuff with your development momentum

Doubt Carlton even scratched the surface with this guy's potential given he always found himself behind Cripps Walsh Hewett Cerra Newman and co

If he was nr 28yo like Kennedy you might question the recruitment .... but he is 21 and has shown that he has ability
 
Compare the pair.
Hotton and Allison could not get a game when Crouch Windy Dow Jones Clark and others were injured....we had sfa available.

Carroll played 15 games sub or otherwise when Blues had nearly their starting midfield and limited injuries at the start of the season.

If you look at the two midfields Blues probably have 5 out of 7 you would pick if they were combined.

In order Cripps Steele Walsh Cerra Docherty, then our lot are the equal of Hewitt Kennedy Newman Acres and Hollands. So to play 15 games with that list to choose from is a good achievement.

Only Steele Wilson Wood Sinclair and Windy played more games this year than he did for a team that played finals.

We get him for nothing if he is as least as good as Stocker then we have got a bargain and grabbed him before someone else did cannot understand why WCE Tigers and Demons were not signing him up.

Is he better than Bonar who had flaws that supporters often mentioned lack of ticker the main one he played 19 games. Carroll main flaw is he doesn't have a position and thats about it....worth a shot and if RTB can sort that bit out we have recruited very well if not he is out in 2 years and have lost very little in the process.

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SG34 said:
We do seem to have a revolving door for middling-mids..

Bytel was loved by fans (I think) and when let go, some asked why?
In a similar way that Carlton fans asked why Paddy Dow was let go?
Now we have another. Let’s see how it goes.

Evidently he’s no Daicos and Voss has been around long enough, and he was a monster of a mid himself - he knows what it means to a kid to make him sub. Guess/conclude he just don’t rate him.

Meanwhile we have a lot of injury prone middling mids, so like the Soviet army on the Eastern Front - we’ll do it with numbers!!
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You can play 2 x one position inside mids on the field at one time with rotations. You need a few in reserve for injury cover and to play VFL and then a few mids that can play in other spots as rotations. Steele is a lock and then we had Crouch who was the other lock.

Bytel was good depth but didn't step up to force Crouch or Steele out and both were resilient when he was here. Ward and Hobbs are in that position now.

Next year we will have Macrae and Steele as locks, probably Phillipou as a third inside/outside mid and then bench spots for Dow, Clark etc. Then we have a decent pool of guys that can rotate as needed.

Those middling mids are mostly just ready to play depth as injury cover.
 

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