Certified Legendary Thread Welcome Tim Taranto & Jacob Hopper

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Probably old news … just looking at the 2019 Grand Final stats. Pressure acts for GWS no 1 Toranto (61). No 2 Hopper (49). For us, equal first at 58 were Daniel Rioli, Shane Edwards and J Caddy.
That's a great effort by Caddy, just quietly. He finished up quickly but was a great player on his day.
 

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Both boys will fit right in , TT top 10 tackler in the comp too , higher than jack g
“Set and forget” players are gold…And we got two of the best…Unreal
 
I remember when we traded in Prestia, Caddy and Nank. People were excited about how Prestia would be able to work with Cotchin in the middle and win us more clearances. They thought Caddy would be great through the middle too and Nank would work with Maric to help us win more hit outs. What people never fully appreciated is the knock on affect, the acquisition of these players had to the rest of the side and how it lifted the entire strength of the squad.

Nank was a good ruckman. He was serviceable with his tap work and a good mark. What many never valued is his grit and work around the contest when the ball was in dispute. He tackled and shepherded, ran and buffeted, bullocked and split packs. It was his work around the ground and his defensive marking that made him such an asset as an individual player, but also with our ability to create space at stoppages to feed handballs to our outside runners and break from congestion. Other ruckmen were better at feeding the ball down to their midfielders but Nank, worked with our midfielders to win the ball back, turn it over and wrong foot the opposition with ferocity, enabling us to race offensively away in waves.

Prestia is a good contested player. He wins his fair share of the ball around stoppages and is clean with the ball. He's not Cripps or Oliver though. Where Prestia strength really is highlighted is in his two way running. He doesn't have breakaway speed but he is quick and runs all day. This provides link up options, shuts down opposition offensive threads, gets out the back of defenders and runs in waves in attack.

The best thing that Prestia did though was allow Dusty and Edwards forward. Without Prestia, Dusty has to spend more time in the midfield reducing his offensive ability. Edwards was excellent in the midfield with his quick hands but off the half forward, his creativity was almost impossible to arrest. Caddy could also play forward, which in 2017, was crucial to our success. Caddy hybrid capability to play as our second marking target and a ground level midfielder in the F50, was instrumental in bringing our smaller forwards into the game too.

Fast forward to today, and the introduction of Taranto and Hopper will have an equally profound impact on our fortunes. Yes, they Hopper will be a bull at the contest and Taranto electrifying around stoppages and as a half forward, but its exciting to think what their inclusion will have on others.

With Hopper in the middle, Cotchin can play to his strengths again. He can be frenetic at the contest, desperately throwing himself at the ball to win it forward for us. He'll have more time on the bench and resting through the season to protect his body so his career and impact will be prolonged. Dusty will have the luxury of playing of almost exclusively forward. He'll still lose his player taking them up the the contest and then setting up our other forwards with the space he's created and with his sublime footskills and vision but he will also have the added stamina to burst away on the lead and outbody opponents.

Similar to Dusty, Bolton will also be able to play greater minutes forward where he has now developed into one of the best players in the league. He'll most likely rotate with Taranto, moving into the midfield and back into the half forwardline creating terrible headaches for opposition coaches and defenders alike. Taranto, is an under rated forward with great goal sense and defensive pressure. He'll really compliment our current forwardline structure.


It really is exciting to have two such capable midfielders into the side but what we really should be getting excited about, is just how much better they make the rest of the team around them.

Exciting times! :richmond:
:love::thumbsupv1:
 
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I remember when we traded in Prestia, Caddy and Nank. People were excited about how Prestia would be able to work with Cotchin in the middle and win us more clearances. They thought Caddy would be great through the middle too and Nank would work with Maric to help us win more hit outs. What people never fully appreciated is the knock on affect, the acquisition of these players had to the rest of the side and how it lifted the entire strength of the squad.

Nank was a good ruckman. He was serviceable with his tap work and a good mark. What many never valued is his grit and work around the contest when the ball was in dispute. He tackled and shepherded, ran and buffeted, bullocked and split packs. It was his work around the ground and his defensive marking that made him such an asset as an individual player, but also with our ability to create space at stoppages to feed handballs to our outside runners and break from congestion. Other ruckmen were better at feeding the ball down to their midfielders but Nank, worked with our midfielders to win the ball back, turn it over and wrong foot the opposition with ferocity, enabling us to race offensively away in waves.

Prestia is a good contested player. He wins his fair share of the ball around stoppages and is clean with the ball. He's not Cripps or Oliver though. Where Prestia strength really is highlighted is in his two way running. He doesn't have breakaway speed but he is quick and runs all day. This provides link up options, shuts down opposition offensive threads, gets out the back of defenders and runs in waves in attack.

The best thing that Prestia did though was allow Dusty and Edwards forward. Without Prestia, Dusty has to spend more time in the midfield reducing his offensive ability. Edwards was excellent in the midfield with his quick hands but off the half forward, his creativity was almost impossible to arrest. Caddy could also play forward, which in 2017, was crucial to our success. Caddy hybrid capability to play as our second marking target and a ground level midfielder in the F50, was instrumental in bringing our smaller forwards into the game too.

Fast forward to today, and the introduction of Taranto and Hopper will have an equally profound impact on our fortunes. Yes, they Hopper will be a bull at the contest and Taranto electrifying around stoppages and as a half forward, but its exciting to think what their inclusion will have on others.

With Hopper in the middle, Cotchin can play to his strengths again. He can be frenetic at the contest, desperately throwing himself at the ball to win it forward for us. He'll have more time on the bench and resting through the season to protect his body so his career and impact will be prolonged. Dusty will have the luxury of playing of almost exclusively forward. He'll still lose his player taking them up the the contest and then setting up our other forwards with the space he's created and with his sublime footskills and vision but he will also have the added stamina to burst away on the lead and outbody opponents.

Similar to Dusty, Bolton will also be able to play greater minutes forward where he has now developed into one of the best players in the league. He'll most likely rotate with Taranto, moving into the midfield and back into the half forwardline creating terrible headaches for opposition coaches and defenders alike. Taranto, is an under rated forward with great goal sense and defensive pressure. He'll really compliment our current forwardline structure.


It really is exciting to have two such capable midfielders into the side but what we really should be getting excited about, is just how much better they make the rest of the team around them.

Exciting times! :richmond:
:love::thumbsupv1:
We had a top two scoring forward line last year in the league. You have picked up on something that the media has missed. Yep, the midfield is looking rock solid now, but, no one is talking about our forward line. It will be the best in the league now. So yes, improving the midfield actually made our forward line more potent and dangerous. I hope they continue to not pick up on this fact.
 
I remember when we traded in Prestia, Caddy and Nank. People were excited about how Prestia would be able to work with Cotchin in the middle and win us more clearances. They thought Caddy would be great through the middle too and Nank would work with Maric to help us win more hit outs. What people never fully appreciated is the knock on affect, the acquisition of these players had to the rest of the side and how it lifted the entire strength of the squad.

Nank was a good ruckman. He was serviceable with his tap work and a good mark. What many never valued is his grit and work around the contest when the ball was in dispute. He tackled and shepherded, ran and buffeted, bullocked and split packs. It was his work around the ground and his defensive marking that made him such an asset as an individual player, but also with our ability to create space at stoppages to feed handballs to our outside runners and break from congestion. Other ruckmen were better at feeding the ball down to their midfielders but Nank, worked with our midfielders to win the ball back, turn it over and wrong foot the opposition with ferocity, enabling us to race offensively away in waves.

Prestia is a good contested player. He wins his fair share of the ball around stoppages and is clean with the ball. He's not Cripps or Oliver though. Where Prestia strength really is highlighted is in his two way running. He doesn't have breakaway speed but he is quick and runs all day. This provides link up options, shuts down opposition offensive threads, gets out the back of defenders and runs in waves in attack.

The best thing that Prestia did though was allow Dusty and Edwards forward. Without Prestia, Dusty has to spend more time in the midfield reducing his offensive ability. Edwards was excellent in the midfield with his quick hands but off the half forward, his creativity was almost impossible to arrest. Caddy could also play forward, which in 2017, was crucial to our success. Caddy hybrid capability to play as our second marking target and a ground level midfielder in the F50, was instrumental in bringing our smaller forwards into the game too.

Fast forward to today, and the introduction of Taranto and Hopper will have an equally profound impact on our fortunes. Yes, they Hopper will be a bull at the contest and Taranto electrifying around stoppages and as a half forward, but its exciting to think what their inclusion will have on others.

With Hopper in the middle, Cotchin can play to his strengths again. He can be frenetic at the contest, desperately throwing himself at the ball to win it forward for us. He'll have more time on the bench and resting through the season to protect his body so his career and impact will be prolonged. Dusty will have the luxury of playing of almost exclusively forward. He'll still lose his player taking them up the the contest and then setting up our other forwards with the space he's created and with his sublime footskills and vision but he will also have the added stamina to burst away on the lead and outbody opponents.

Similar to Dusty, Bolton will also be able to play greater minutes forward where he has now developed into one of the best players in the league. He'll most likely rotate with Taranto, moving into the midfield and back into the half forwardline creating terrible headaches for opposition coaches and defenders alike. Taranto, is an under rated forward with great goal sense and defensive pressure. He'll really compliment our current forwardline structure.


It really is exciting to have two such capable midfielders into the side but what we really should be getting excited about, is just how much better they make the rest of the team around them.

Exciting times! :richmond:
:love::thumbsupv1:
Good analysis. Hopper and Taranto like Prestia offer two way contested running and contested ball work that was too often left to just Prestia last year. Edwards was the other one in the middle that set us up, but his demise last year really hurt us. Cotchin had a good year but was very inside bull, head down tail up so didn't get a lot of clean ball. I think Cotchin will really appreciate the relief of not having to do that this year and will be more outside which he is actually good at. As long as his pace doesn't drop off like Edward's did, then he could have a very good year.

As you say, our small forward/mids of Bolton, Dusty, Cumberland, Taranto, MRJ, Ross, Sonsie etc is very dynamic.
 
We had a top two scoring forward line last year in the league. You have picked up on something that the media has missed. Yep, the midfield is looking rock solid now, but, no one is talking about our forward line. It will be the best in the league now. So yes, improving the midfield actually made our forward line more potent and dangerous. I hope they continue to not pick up on this fact.
I was looking through opposition ladder predictions recently and we are consistently being tipped to miss the 8. The reason given a number of times was that our forward line hasn't got the potency of other top level teams (with jr8 too old and a fair bit of youth in there now). Who knows I guess but you highlighting our top two scoring forward line, with heaps of potential improvement, is a great counter argument. I guess we'll find out.
 
Our forward line is one of the best in the league. If Lunch stays fit and carries over last year's form he will win the Coleman. Reiwoldt is aging but still a Wiley football brain. Martin and Bolton will spend a lot of time forward both capable of 50 goal seasons. MRJ will have another pre season behind him ditto Cumberland, Clarke, Sonsie. There's only a sprinkling of inexperienced youth in there the majority are seasoned campaigners (Lunch, Reiwoldt, Martin and Bolton).
 

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I remember when we traded in Prestia, Caddy and Nank. People were excited about how Prestia would be able to work with Cotchin in the middle and win us more clearances. They thought Caddy would be great through the middle too and Nank would work with Maric to help us win more hit outs. What people never fully appreciated is the knock on affect, the acquisition of these players had to the rest of the side and how it lifted the entire strength of the squad.

Nank was a good ruckman. He was serviceable with his tap work and a good mark. What many never valued is his grit and work around the contest when the ball was in dispute. He tackled and shepherded, ran and buffeted, bullocked and split packs. It was his work around the ground and his defensive marking that made him such an asset as an individual player, but also with our ability to create space at stoppages to feed handballs to our outside runners and break from congestion. Other ruckmen were better at feeding the ball down to their midfielders but Nank, worked with our midfielders to win the ball back, turn it over and wrong foot the opposition with ferocity, enabling us to race offensively away in waves.

Prestia is a good contested player. He wins his fair share of the ball around stoppages and is clean with the ball. He's not Cripps or Oliver though. Where Prestia strength really is highlighted is in his two way running. He doesn't have breakaway speed but he is quick and runs all day. This provides link up options, shuts down opposition offensive threads, gets out the back of defenders and runs in waves in attack.

The best thing that Prestia did though was allow Dusty and Edwards forward. Without Prestia, Dusty has to spend more time in the midfield reducing his offensive ability. Edwards was excellent in the midfield with his quick hands but off the half forward, his creativity was almost impossible to arrest. Caddy could also play forward, which in 2017, was crucial to our success. Caddy hybrid capability to play as our second marking target and a ground level midfielder in the F50, was instrumental in bringing our smaller forwards into the game too.

Fast forward to today, and the introduction of Taranto and Hopper will have an equally profound impact on our fortunes. Yes, they Hopper will be a bull at the contest and Taranto electrifying around stoppages and as a half forward, but its exciting to think what their inclusion will have on others.

With Hopper in the middle, Cotchin can play to his strengths again. He can be frenetic at the contest, desperately throwing himself at the ball to win it forward for us. He'll have more time on the bench and resting through the season to protect his body so his career and impact will be prolonged. Dusty will have the luxury of playing of almost exclusively forward. He'll still lose his player taking them up the the contest and then setting up our other forwards with the space he's created and with his sublime footskills and vision but he will also have the added stamina to burst away on the lead and outbody opponents.

Similar to Dusty, Bolton will also be able to play greater minutes forward where he has now developed into one of the best players in the league. He'll most likely rotate with Taranto, moving into the midfield and back into the half forwardline creating terrible headaches for opposition coaches and defenders alike. Taranto, is an under rated forward with great goal sense and defensive pressure. He'll really compliment our current forwardline structure.


It really is exciting to have two such capable midfielders into the side but what we really should be getting excited about, is just how much better they make the rest of the team around them.

Exciting times! :richmond:
:love::thumbsupv1:
Great Post.
Said it many times but the addition of TT & Hopp compliments our draft of 21.2016 was our watershed moment then 21/22 surely is up there for it to continue.
Really looking fwd too 2023 on so many levels.
Honestly whatever we're paying Blair he's worth every cent.
 
Good analysis. Hopper and Taranto like Prestia offer two way contested running and contested ball work that was too often left to just Prestia last year. Edwards was the other one in the middle that set us up, but his demise last year really hurt us. Cotchin had a good year but was very inside bull, head down tail up so didn't get a lot of clean ball. I think Cotchin will really appreciate the relief of not having to do that this year and will be more outside which he is actually good at. As long as his pace doesn't drop off like Edward's did, then he could have a very good year.

As you say, our small forward/mids of Bolton, Dusty, Cumberland, Taranto, MRJ, Ross, Sonsie etc is very dynamic.
Calm down mate he's still alive.
 
Our forward line is one of the best in the league. If Lunch stays fit and carries over last year's form he will win the Coleman. Reiwoldt is aging but still a Wiley football brain. Martin and Bolton will spend a lot of time forward both capable of 50 goal seasons. MRJ will have another pre season behind him ditto Cumberland, Clarke, Sonsie. There's only a sprinkling of inexperienced youth in there the majority are seasoned campaigners (Lunch, Reiwoldt, Martin and Bolton).
Our own version of Stevie J...;):thumbsu:
 
I was looking through opposition ladder predictions recently and we are consistently being tipped to miss the 8. The reason given a number of times was that our forward line hasn't got the potency of other top level teams (with jr8 too old and a fair bit of youth in there now). Who knows I guess but you highlighting our top two scoring forward line, with heaps of potential improvement, is a great counter argument. I guess we'll find out.
Yeah, i dunno how a forward line of Lynch, Jack, Martin, Cumberland, Bolton, MRJ, Sonsie plus others rotating through all of a sudden is no good. Cumbo for example will be getting the 4th/5th best defender behind Lynch, Jack, Dusty and Shai.
I think the AFL media knows **** all and continually proves me correct.
 
We had a top two scoring forward line last year in the league. You have picked up on something that the media has missed. Yep, the midfield is looking rock solid now, but, no one is talking about our forward line. It will be the best in the league now. So yes, improving the midfield actually made our forward line more potent and dangerous. I hope they continue to not pick up on this fact.

Good analysis. Hopper and Taranto like Prestia offer two way contested running and contested ball work that was too often left to just Prestia last year. Edwards was the other one in the middle that set us up, but his demise last year really hurt us. Cotchin had a good year but was very inside bull, head down tail up so didn't get a lot of clean ball. I think Cotchin will really appreciate the relief of not having to do that this year and will be more outside which he is actually good at. As long as his pace doesn't drop off like Edward's did, then he could have a very good year.

As you say, our small forward/mids of Bolton, Dusty, Cumberland, Taranto, MRJ, Ross, Sonsie etc is very dynamic.

I was looking through opposition ladder predictions recently and we are consistently being tipped to miss the 8. The reason given a number of times was that our forward line hasn't got the potency of other top level teams (with jr8 too old and a fair bit of youth in there now). Who knows I guess but you highlighting our top two scoring forward line, with heaps of potential improvement, is a great counter argument. I guess we'll find out.

Our forward line is one of the best in the league. If Lunch stays fit and carries over last year's form he will win the Coleman. Reiwoldt is aging but still a Wiley football brain. Martin and Bolton will spend a lot of time forward both capable of 50 goal seasons. MRJ will have another pre season behind him ditto Cumberland, Clarke, Sonsie. There's only a sprinkling of inexperienced youth in there the majority are seasoned campaigners (Lunch, Reiwoldt, Martin and Bolton).
I hate being pedantic (not really) but I think you'll find that the Tigers were actually the top scoring team last year and 4th on %.
 

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