Toast Welcome to St.Kilda - COOPER SHARMAN!

[Dr Spaceman]

If push came to shove and Bing was available and a better option than Ming, it would be - no hard feelings Ming but here's some sunscreen.

 

[bird_man]

Yeah I suppose its better that we wait around until Walsh is a free agent since apparently all we need is an AA quality mid.

Take the best availble. If push came to shove and Bing was available and a better option than Ming, it would be - no hard feelings Ming but here's some sunscreen.

Or we can try drafting our own quality mids.or find the next Jack Steele via a trade

If Bing wasn't a King I doubt we'd even be targetting him.

It's not usually the way good clubs go about their recruiting. They find the areas that they need to improve on and then work on a target rather than just try and get anyone that would say yes.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Or we can try drafting our own quality mids.or find the next Jack Steele via a trade

If Bing wasn't a King I doubt we'd even be targetting him.

It's not usually the way good clubs go about their recruiting. They find the areas that they need to improve on and then work on a target rather than just try and get anyone that would say yes.

We’ve just drafted 3 midfielders let’s see how they go. At least ones gotta be good

 

[bird_man]

We’ve just drafted 3 midfielders let’s see how they go. At least ones gotta be good

NWM hasn't played as a genuine mid, he's a wingman.

Windhager is a forward/mid

Owens is still so green we don't know where his best footy is.

I agree though, let's wait and see. If all those three boys show a heap of promise then that helps no doubt.

Just like we need to wait and see how Sharman goes this year and whether Allison looks like he is a player or not.

Plenty of water to go under the bridge but right now a key forward looks back in the pecking order in terms of needs.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We’ve just drafted 3 midfielders let’s see how they go. At least ones gotta be good

You'd think.

Here are a heap we drafted in sequence.
Josh Saunders X
Sam Dunell X
Billings ( mid?) yes
Dunstan ...i suppose
Acres ( mid)? to an extent.
CurrenX
McKenzie. I don't know anymore.
Sinclair. Yes
Gresh ( mid )? Yes

a) We really don't draft many mids.
b) 1 in 3 are actually good enough to be best 22 if we count Gresh and Billings as mids.
c) 1 in 3 have some ability.

Lets hope that our drafting has improved enough to make it 2 out of 3 good players.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

NWM hasn't played as a genuine mid, he's a wingman.

Windhager is a forward/mid

Owens is still so green we don't know where his best footy is.

I agree though, let's wait and see. If all those three boys show a heap of promise then that helps no doubt.

Just like we need to wait and see how Sharman goes this year and whether Allison looks like he is a player or not.

Plenty of water to go under the bridge but right now a key forward looks back in the pecking order in terms of needs.

Very true. Just going off the fact that gags seems to view them all as prospective mids down the line.

 

[bird_man]

Very true. Just going off the fact that gags seems to view them all as prospective mids down the line.

Everyone we seem to draft seems to be a prospective mid.

 

[BrutThough]

What if Sharman is better. That would be up there for dumb moves. Feel good stories are great but winning is better.

Sharman's 4 games were good but you'd be a brave person to suggest he will be a better player than the 202cm, quick and agile Bing who kicked 47 games in his 3rd year.

 

[sunny3193]

This thread needs renaming to the “Welcome to St Kilda - COOPER SHARMAN but now hijacked by BING” thread.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Sharman's 4 games were good but you'd be a brave person to suggest he will be a better player than the 202cm, quick and agile Bing who kicked 47 games in his 3rd year.

Not even a question of will be. Is.

And is the best in comp. We just need to acknowledge facts.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

This thread needs renaming to the “Welcome to St Kilda - COOPER SHARMAN but now hijacked by BING” thread.

 

[bird_man]

Sharman doesn't have to be as good as Bing.

If he can show he can take big marks, kick goals and be a quality 2nd tall to Ming, then is it worth giving up a fortune to Bing just for an upgrade when we have a really good forward set up already?

I'll be watching closely. The better Sharman plays the colder I'll go on Bing.

If Sharman gets the 2nd year blues then it might be a different story, but putting time into him should be number one priority right now.

 

[Jack Green]

This thread needs renaming to the “Welcome to St Kilda - COOPER SHARMAN but now hijacked by BING” thread.

My bad - I did apologise for the derailment . Real difference of opinion for many of us.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Beat thing for us IMO would be for Ben to sign a 2 year deal with the Suns.

Use the next two years to plug the holes in our list.

If he is then available as a FA then we can go hard for him.

That's what the last two years were about and probably why we didn't make a move on him after his initial two years. The danger of him being there for 6 years means he becomes a lot more entrenched there. Of course, it does give us longer to find out more about Sharman - its all about the timing. Sharman's early form has really tossed the cat amongst the pigeons.

I just get the feeling the club is going to do everything it can to get him. And I don't believe our team will allow Cochrane to rob us blind for an uncontracted player. of course it would help if the AFL kept their grubby nose out of it and not offer him anymore inducements to stay at the Suns.

 

[Diehard Saint]

NWM hasn't played as a genuine mid, he's a wingman.

Windhager is a forward/mid

Owens is still so green we don't know where his best footy is.

I agree though, let's wait and see. If all those three boys show a heap of promise then that helps no doubt.

Just like we need to wait and see how Sharman goes this year and whether Allison looks like he is a player or not.

Plenty of water to go under the bridge but right now a key forward looks back in the pecking order in terms of needs.

Hopefully Byrnes, Bytel and even Gresh really step up this year.

 

[Mowman]

Sharman doesn't have to be as good as Bing.

If he can show he can take big marks, kick goals and be a quality 2nd tall to Ming, then is it worth giving up a fortune to Bing just for an upgrade when we have a really good forward set up already?

I'll be watching closely. The better Sharman plays the colder I'll go on Bing.

If Sharman gets the 2nd year blues then it might be a different story, but putting time into him should be number one priority right now.

100%

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

Can we please not bump threads like this now that preseason has started?

I just assumed he had suffered some sort of catastrophic injury.

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[St Neil]

They can ask for Steele, Gresham. Clark and 10 firsts if they like. If he is OOC they can't ask for too much.

I would rather walking him to North or whoever is last in the PSD than let those incompetent plastic fold coast clowns get anything more than what is reasonable.

Edit: Doesn't matter what any of us think, the club has a huge hard on for Ben so if he want to come to the Saints they will make it happen.

Hopefully Ben has a huge hard on for the Saints as well.

I can’t believe there are posters who doubt that Ben King is a player we need. He can play forward, back or further up the field. He is a winner of a Grand Final sprint, a sensational athlete in his own right. Every club would kill for a player like him.

If he nominates the Saints as his club of choice then discussions will have been had about his playing future. I can see him playing high as a mobile tall forward and occasionally rotating back towards the goal square. He is more than just a key forward, he potentially has the ability to play smaller and add to the running power of the team further up the field.

Cooper Sharman would fit in beautifully to a forward structure that includes the twins. He is a spring heeled leaping forward who takes contested marks but who is also dangerous when the ball hits the deck. Opposition defences would be having nightmares in trying to combat this triumvirate, all of whom are different types of players.

And both Sharman and Ben King kick the ball accurately between the big sticks. Something that we have difficulties with.

Ben King is OOC. If he wants to come to the Saints then we pony up 2 x 1st RDPs as the core of the deal. That’s fair. If the Suns want a decent player then the value of one of those picks is diluted.

The Suns stupidly forced Jack Martin into the PSD two years ago and were told, in no uncertain terms by senior player managers, to never to do that again. As long as we’re fair, then a trade will get done.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Hopefully Ben has a huge hard on for the Saints as well.

I can’t believe there are posters who doubt that Ben King is a player we need. He can play forward, back or further up the field. He is a winner of a Grand Final sprint, a sensational athlete in his own right. Every club would kill for a player like him.

If he nominates the Saints as his club of choice then discussions will have been had about his playing future. I can see him playing high as a mobile tall forward and occasionally rotating back towards the goal square. He is more than just a key forward, he potentially has the ability to play smaller and add to the running power of the team further up the field.

Cooper Sharman would fit in beautifully to a forward structure that includes the twins. He is a spring heeled leaping forward who takes contested marks but who is also dangerous when the ball hits the deck. Opposition defences would be having nightmares in trying to combat this triumvirate, all of whom are different types of players.

And both Sharman and Ben King kick the ball accurately between the big sticks. Something that we have difficulties with.

Ben King is OOC. If he wants to come to the Saints then we pony up 2 x 1st RDPs as the core of the deal. That’s fair. If the Suns want a decent player then the value of one of those picks is diluted.

The Suns stupidly forced Jack Martin into the PSD two years ago and were told, in no uncertain terms by senior player managers, to never to do that again. As long as we’re fair, then a trade will get done.

the question shouldn't be Sharman vs Ben King. It should be Sharman vs Membrey to play that third tall for the twins. In 2 years who do we see as being the better player in that position and in that dynamic?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Hopefully Ben has a huge hard on for the Saints as well.

I can’t believe there are posters who doubt that Ben King is a player we need. He can play forward, back or further up the field. He is a winner of a Grand Final sprint, a sensational athlete in his own right. Every club would kill for a player like him.

If he nominates the Saints as his club of choice then discussions will have been had about his playing future. I can see him playing high as a mobile tall forward and occasionally rotating back towards the goal square. He is more than just a key forward, he potentially has the ability to play smaller and add to the running power of the team further up the field.

Cooper Sharman would fit in beautifully to a forward structure that includes the twins. He is a spring heeled leaping forward who takes contested marks but who is also dangerous when the ball hits the deck. Opposition defences would be having nightmares in trying to combat this triumvirate, all of whom are different types of players.

And both Sharman and Ben King kick the ball accurately between the big sticks. Something that we have difficulties with.

Ben King is OOC. If he wants to come to the Saints then we pony up 2 x 1st RDPs as the core of the deal. That’s fair. If the Suns want a decent player then the value of one of those picks is diluted.

The Suns stupidly forced Jack Martin into the PSD two years ago and were told, in no uncertain terms by senior player managers, to never to do that again. As long as we’re fair, then a trade will get done.

FB: Paton Howard Wilkie.
HB: Highmore, Adams, Webster
C: Battle, Clark , Sharman
HF Marshall , Higgins King.
FF: King , Membrey Butler.

R: Heath, Steele, Crouch, Billings.

Coffield, Allison, Wood, Owens.

Crying out for talls.

 

[gringo2011]

NWM hasn't played as a genuine mid, he's a wingman.

Windhager is a forward/mid

Owens is still so green we don't know where his best footy is.

I agree though, let's wait and see. If all those three boys show a heap of promise then that helps no doubt.

Just like we need to wait and see how Sharman goes this year and whether Allison looks like he is a player or not.

Plenty of water to go under the bridge but right now a key forward looks back in the pecking order in terms of needs.

The forward line is stacked IMO and probably the area of best quality. Probably the one area I think we could be fairly confident that we have a fairly solid short and long term set up.

 

[gringo2011]

Sharman's 4 games were good but you'd be a brave person to suggest he will be a better player than the 202cm, quick and agile Bing who kicked 47 games in his 3rd year.

He's no certainty but he's certainly had one of the best first 4 games of any forward I can remember. Bing probably kicks less with his brother also sharing the spoils. I like Sharman because he plays a complimentary style to Max. There is no guarantee two Kings will be a great fit.

 

[St Neil]

the question shouldn't be Sharman vs Ben King. It should be Sharman vs Membrey to play that third tall for the twins. In 2 years who do we see as being the better player in that position and in that dynamic?

Maybe Sharman won’t develop as we hope, but if he does he picks himself in the team.

I think Membrey can also play in the forward line if there is a mix of tall mobile forwards who don’t have to be anchored to a specific position or role.

We sometimes tend to focus on the similarities of players rather than how they differ in their styles or skills. I don’t see a forward line with the Kings, Sharman and Membrey as being top-heavy. Quite the reverse, they are all nimble and are good at ground level even though they are tall.

 

[gringo2011]

FB: Paton Howard Wilkie.
HB: Highmore, Adams, Webster
C: Battle, Clark , Sharman
HF Marshall , Higgins King.
FF: King , Membrey Butler.

R: Heath, Steele, Crouch, Billings.

Coffield, Allison, Wood, Owens.

Crying out for talls.

You'd probably have to think about trading Marshall out at the point that Ben King comes in unless his ruck work steps right up. Ben or Max probably has to play back up ruck/forward and then with a weaker midfield we really require someone with high end tap work IMO. Might be a way to get something back to pay for Ben.

 

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