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Exactly, it is also medically accepted that men stop growing at 21/22. Some can grow later still, but it isn't the norm. Clay is just full of shit like normal.
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How tall was Tony Modra? Not a bad high marking forward.
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Coming from you, that's a compliment.
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Different era, but I think he was 189 or a tiny bit smaller.
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Mods was a freak, I'm sure he's still growing
Anyways, I reckon we will use our midfield/flanker excesses to get pick upgrades, I'm looking at Ibbo, Duffman and possibily Suban esp if Michie and Pitt step up.
Bingo. Fyfe's 20. No more growing for him. So let's stop making up ill informed crap, like this
All I'm suggesting clay, is that fyfe maybe still growing.
When we drafted him as an 18 yr old he was 185-186cm.
Fyfe is at least 190cm now.I don't think we can definitely assume he has or hasn't stopped growing.
Why talk about Fyfe as a midfielder? I think he plays well as a forward or midfielder, but regardless his versatility is perhaps his number 1 weapon. I don't have a limit on how he will be used in the future or where he may end up. Morabitto the same. If our other midfielders develop well, I could see Morabitto and Fyfe causing absolute nightmares as dual CHF's, and Pav at FF. Would screw with quite a few defensive setups.
Fair call on Kep, though I would love to see him fill that option for us. And I completely agree that even if Kep is in the role, we still have some serious issues to adddress with our KPF situation.
MJ is just kind of annoying, 'nuff said.
If we had our time again we probably wouldn't of traded it, but I don't think it'll be that big of an issue. There are 6 compo picks definitely better than ours and another 3 that are probably better (I'd expect adelaide and brisbane to finish lower than us next year). I wouldn't be surprised if more than 7 were used next year, plus the compo picks for any players poached by GWS next year. I'd also be expect 3 priority picks to come before the Palmer compo (GC, Port and GWS). I see the Palmer compo pick being around pick 30 next year.
If we didn't trade it away we would've had to use picks 16, 38, 56, 72 and 83 or delist less players.
Exactly.
I could see them causing absolute nightmares all over the ground until they get too old to be used that way. No need to limit them (and get them to change their body shape) simply because we need them to fill a position we haven't recruited for.
Plus it wasn't a direct swap comp pick for 20. it also allowed us to upgrade pick 38 to 29, which is also what we wanted, because the draft was believed to be quite strong for the first 30 picks and then dropped away some.
We also had another weakness other than KP, we needed more pace. we have fixed that with Crozier, we hope.
Yeah I wasn't having a crack... it's just that 5 years on I still remain a little miffed that we took Clayton Collard one pick before Adelaide picked Kurt Tippett.
It's not surprising though. Farmer was nearing the end - along with a few others - Medhurst had just been traded and we needed a replacement.
We'd taken Drum and Warnock the year before. Murphy, Campbell and Johnson a couple of seasons prior to that. Haddrill, Longmuir, Pavlich, Sandilands, McPharlin, Grover were all a lot younger than they are now. Plus, we'd just traded in Tarrant.
We just needed smalls, a hell of a lot more than talls. Particulalry smalls with a heap of class and pace. On talent, Collard was rated in the first round. Attitude was a problem, but everyone thought he was an absolute steal immediately after the draft. Everyone also thought if the likes of Grover and Hayden couldn't set him straight, nobody could...
It's also worth remembering that for the first few weeks of the season he was killing it in the WAFL and our recruiters were looking like geniuses. Then he played a game, got dropped and spent the rest of the season sulking. He was delisted before Tippett even made his debut.
I guess it goes to show, pre-draft hype doesn't mean a lot.
And in 1 year when Pav was taken out of the forward line we tumbled down the ladder. What is it going to be like in a few years when he retires?
We are going to be trading heaven and earth to get a Key Position forward because we are not going to have a quality one.
Sound like good planning to you? Sure doesnt sound that way to me!
Yep that's exactly why we tumbled down the ladder. Can't think of any other reasons
I'm not sure why either would have to change their body shape beyond the normal maturing and developing process. Fyfe seems to resemble Hird both physically and skill-wise (god, doesn't that just make you salivate) Hird played CHF fairly regularly without having to muscle up because he had skills other guys couldn't match and Fyfe could do the same.
Mora is already a big lad. He is tall, has reasonable bulk and is still quick and agile.
We're not after Wayne Carey, we're after somone who has the ability to play the position. And the position can be redefinded somewhat to suit the gameplan which is also based on the cattle in the team. The gorilla in the goal square is the position that demands a certain type more than the CHF.
Good point. Hird was a bit of a freak but he realistically became more dangerous when he roamed all over the ground and ran through the midfield, rather than just played a hit-up CHF. But you're right, perhaps Fyfe wouldn't need to bulk up much considering his leap.
Mora is a big lad but he's never played forward for any length of time or aplomb at any level - he would need to spend a lot of time there to learn the role and positioning, and to improve his contested marking. And contested marking generally requires a level of bulk that midfielders would want to shed.
Mora is a midfielder through and through at this stage and was recruited as such - I'd rather benefit from that for the first half of his career and slowly develop his forward presence, rather than try and hasten his forward presence and lose/waste his midfield impact.
It seems we are always banking on quickly turning a player into something they weren't to begin with (because we have holes in the list), rather than recruiting a player to do the things that got them recruited.
We keep talking about Kersten - we could have taken McInnes at 20. He seems good enough for the slime so why not us and at 196cm has that extra height. I would have liked to take a crack at a tall as one of those 3 picks.
Thank you! The biggest problem was that we had a selection at 29 and decided to hope that next year will be great for us. Either that or go mining in the Rookie draft for a KP forward that has not work so far in just about our full history.
I like those odds!
Not much to disagree with there. I like the idea of Mora developing his forward skills over a the years while mainly blitzing in the midfield. Given he is only 20 this year it doesn't matter if it take him 5 years to learn the quirks of the forward line.
i also agree that we are always trying to turn players into something else. Similar to the way we expect kids to have an impact in their first or second year. Give this team a couple of years to stabilise and make the competition for spots real and we can afford to develop kids properly instead of relying on freaks like Fyfe and Mora and Hill who can play AFL level at 19.
I have always believed that the best coaches can structure up a decent side that plays to its strengths if they have the good quality players. It is obviously a philosophy with some weaknesses if a side is completely unbalanced. But we aren't. We have some decent players across every line, and we have others who can fill the gaps without being total spuds.
That is what we are going to see next year I hope. It is almost what Lyon specialised in at Saint Kilda. Taking a team with some great players, and a swarm of droids, then implementing a game plan to suit.
That is what we are going to see next year I hope. It is almost what Lyon specialised in at Saint Kilda. Taking a team with some great players, and a swarm of droids, then implementing a game plan to suit.
I also think that our players are going to get a REAL pre season for just about the first time in our history and that we will see a great reduction in injuries.
It will be very interesting to see the Lyon effect, our first ever real AFL top level coach. Both in training and the structure that he brings to game day. Cant wait.
