News Wellingham traded to Eagles for pick 17

[larrikin]

He's a great fit for us with age too - Welligham, Shuey, Masten, Scooter all coming through together.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Welcome Mr Wellingham looking forward to challenging for the top 4 next year again. Wellingham Lecca and Nicko and a fully fit JK sexy!

 

[Tiff]

Look forward to sipping tea with him at the local Mount Lawley hang out.

 

[QS]

Watching Fox Footy us v GWS Koby is not playing like someone worth pick 27...

 

[larrikin]

Plenty of options for Coll.

They now have the space cap to get a Moloney in FA, could even make a bid for Clinton Young (both FA's). It isn't entirely a matter of 'replacing' Wellingham for a 'like for like'.

What cap space?

Moloney would be asking more than the $275K reportedly offfered to Wellingham

 

[fronkalicious]

Watching Fox Footy us v GWS Koby is not playing like someone worth pick 27...

Thank you sir....

 

[Mighty Eagles]

If we can get Wellingham, another good mid in the draft, our best 22 fully fit for most of the year boy I've got a fat over 2013, and wouldn't mind seeing Newman and Dick up their game either

 

[eagles_4_life]

I'm pretty sure Daniel Kerr was drafted at pick 18 the year before you stopped how convenient for your argument

There are some genuinely distorted views on the value of pick #18 in the draft around here...
Look at the last 10 years of #18 picks:

2011 - Brad McKenzie
2010 - Matthew Watson
2009 - Luke Tapscott
2008 - Luke Shuey
2007 - Alex Rance
2006 - Leroy Jetta
2005 - Max Bailey
2004 - Cameron Wood
2003 - Llane Spaanderman
2002 - Kris Shore

I mean, there's a couple of wins, a couple of average players, but the odds suggest that this pick is nothing to write home about.

Sharrod is a premiership midfielder who's just entering his prime as a player, who fits your needs perfectly, and who is coming from a rival who are still in their prime. While he's out of contract, he's not getting to West Coast unless we trade him to you, so we're not going to get bent over a barrel in this deal - Your first pick alone MAY end up getting the deal done, but that's unders for the player you're getting.

Talk of giving us a 2nd and 3rd rounder, or two 2nd round picks is ridiculous...

There are some genuinely distorted views on the value of pick #18 in the draft around here...

Look at the last 10 years of #18 picks:

2011 - Brad McKenzie
2010 - Matthew Watson
2009 - Luke Tapscott
2008 - Luke Shuey
2007 - Alex Rance
2006 - Leroy Jetta
2005 - Max Bailey
2004 - Cameron Wood
2003 - Llane Spaanderman
2002 - Kris Shore

I mean, there's a couple of wins, a couple of average players, but the odds suggest that this pick is nothing to write home about.

Sharrod is a premiership midfielder who's just entering his prime as a player, who fits your needs perfectly, and who is coming from a rival who are still in their prime. While he's out of contract, he's not getting to West Coast unless we trade him to you, so we're not going to get bent over a barrel in this deal - Your first pick alone MAY end up getting the deal done, but that's unders for the player you're getting.

Talk of giving us a 2nd and 3rd rounder, or two 2nd round picks is ridiculous...

 

[bodazoka]

Are you guys also in the new player coming to WC is going to be a super gun mode yet?

Or do we have to wait untill its official?

 

[livnixon9]

What cap space?

Moloney would be asking more than the $275K reportedly offfered to Wellingham

Collingwood have an offer of $300 K on the table for Wellingham, which is still there. Then there is the possiblity that they might trade Dawes to the WB & free up a further $350 k.

Moloney is struggling to find a club as it. I don't think he would hold out an extra $100 k to sitout an offer for a club in a premiership window (the reason why he has left Melbourne).

 

[LordHaart]

What if we pose the question differently. Is there an existing WC player that both Collingwood and WC would be willing to trade for Wellingham?

 

[Ian Dargie]

There are some genuinely distorted views on the value of pick #18 in the draft around here...

Look at the last 10 years of #18 picks:

2011 - Brad McKenzie
2010 - Matthew Watson
2009 - Luke Tapscott
2008 - Luke Shuey
2007 - Alex Rance
2006 - Leroy Jetta
2005 - Max Bailey
2004 - Cameron Wood
2003 - Llane Spaanderman
2002 - Kris Shore

I mean, there's a couple of wins, a couple of average players, but the odds suggest that this pick is nothing to write home about.

That's not the way to assess the value of pick 18.

Draft picks are an opportunity, so you should look at the best players available at that stage. What kind of opportunity is on offer at that stage in the draft?

Look at 2003. Sure, Brisbane took Llane Spanderman, who didn't do much. But they could have taken David Mundy or Sam Butler or Sam Fisher. The value of the draft pick isn't determined by who was chosen, but by the opportunity to pick from the remaining players at that stage in the draft order.

Melbourne took Jack Watts with pick 1 a few years ago. Does that mean the top pick is suddenly not as valuable? Hell, no. It just means that Melbourne chose poorly. Equally, the fact that some clubs have chosen poorly with pick 18 doesn't make the pick any less valuable.

If you want to assess the value of pick 18, you should go through those drafts and list the best players still available at that stage. That's what determines the value of the opportunity represented by pick 18.

 

[Hairy Lager]

If we can get Wellingham, another good mid in the draft, our best 22 fully fit for most of the year boy I've got a fat over 2013, and wouldn't mind seeing Newman and Dick up their game either

Lol, exciting times but keep it in your pants.

 

[QS]

Thank you sir....

Got anything better than 27?

 

[Gaben]

What if we pose the question differently. Is there an existing WC player that both Collingwood and WC would be willing to trade for Wellingham?

I'd be okay with Lynch going to Collingwood

 

[Eagles77]

What if we pose the question differently. Is there an existing WC player that both Collingwood and WC would be willing to trade for Wellingham?

Koby Stevens for a Mid second rounder

Tom Swift and our 2 second rounders for wellingham?

 

[PieBeast]

Koby Stevens for a Mid second rounder

Tom Swift and our 2 second rounders for wellingham?

 

[Clay Davis]

That's not the way to assess the value of pick 18.

Draft picks are an opportunity, so you should look at the best players available at that stage. What kind of opportunity is on offer at that stage in the draft?

Look at 2003. Sure, Brisbane took Llane Spanderman, who didn't do much. But they could have taken David Mundy or Sam Butler or Sam Fisher. The value of the draft pick isn't determined by who was chosen, but by the opportunity to pick from the remaining players at that stage in the draft order.

Melbourne took Jack Watts with pick 1 a few years ago. Does that mean the top pick is suddenly not as valuable? Hell, no. It just means that Melbourne chose poorly. Equally, the fact that some clubs have chosen poorly with pick 18 doesn't make the pick any less valuable.

If you want to assess the value of pick 18, you should go through those drafts and list the best players still available at that stage. That's what determines the value of the opportunity represented by pick 18.

Thank you for saying this. I am sick of people saying that James Walker at pick 6 was justified as he is the best pick 6 ever.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Looks like Sharrod forgot to break up with his ex before committing to a new beau

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wellingham-chooses-eagles-20121004-272i0.html

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Don't want to be the rain on this parade but the link to the article about Wellingham wanting to come us just gone blank.

 

[dajesmac]

Don't want to be the rain on this parade but the link to the article about Wellingham wanting to come us just gone blank.

So did every other article on the site i've tried.

Meh, there are direct quotes from Sharrod. Not too concerned.

 

[tesseract]

WC do have leverage, and in 2 regards. For 1: Wellingham has singled out WC, thus forcing the Pies to only deal with WC, thus not allowing the Pies to play other potential rivals for Wellingham's services off of each other in an attempt to up his trade value in a bidding war. Secondly: he's out of contract and can walk if Collingwood go into negotiations with a stubborn and **** you attitude. It's no skin off WC's teeth if Wellingham walks into the draft, for WC lose nothing from this. Collingwood though will want a return of some sort for Wellingham. This, with the inclusion of point 1, give WC the leverage that Port had over WC in the Ebert trade.

Pick 17 is overs. WC should trade for middle ground between their 1st and 2nd picks. I hope those offering pick 17 don't apply the same negotiating skills in real life when buying a house or a car in just accepting the full price that's displayed, and then justify paying top dollar by saying 'fair's fair'. WC are not in the business of being fair. WC have to look out for their best interests. If the shoe was on the other foot, there's no doubt in my mind that Collingwood would be attempting to ream WC with a pineapple. Collingwood are Dean Koontz to trade with, even more so if the situation was reversed. Show no mercy, IMO.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Did I just fart?

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Lol Tom Swift trade!

 

[gsmiths_s]

Looks like Sharrod forgot to break up with his ex before committing to a new beau

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wellingham-chooses-eagles-20121004-272i0.html

I saw that too and just deleted my post. I think it's gamesmanship from Collingwood. Surely Walsh knew before we knew?