2nds West Coast Eagles WAFL Watch 2024

[Alesana]

Is the game being broadcast anywhere?

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This is just a circle jerk of excuses in order to accept the mediocrity being dished up im afraid . For certain people it will be anything but the clubs fault. I just hope we dont have a wet winter, because certain people will be calling for renewable energy in W.A because climate change is destroying the fabric of our club

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Hahahaha. That’s a red herring.

What was the overall financial result for that year?

I’d remind you that first half of 2020 we didn’t play home games due to covid, late re-start to the season, and starting in a hub.

West Coast generate a huge majority of their revenue from match day revenues. Revenue that only occurred in the second half of the year.

All the expenses were in the first half of the year, and all revenue in the back half.

I’ll spare you having to 2020 financial result. It was a profit of 5.4 million dollars.

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.

Apology accepted.

Here’s the financial report.

https://footyindustry.com/docs/WCE%202020%20A

Don’t do the condescending thing with me, it won’t wash.

1. A $5.4m operating profit sounds big if you just quote the number, but it would have been a 33% reduction on the previous year.
2. That AFR article, so presumably the dire half-yearly figures it refers to, came out about six weeks before your quote from Nisbett about wanting to renegotiate the fee, so you can infer the club’s thinking around that time, even if the full-year figures ended up being a bit better.
3. You’re essentially back to arguing “look we’ve made pots of money, we had no need to worry about what licence fee we were paying.” Which was my original point.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

This is just a circle jerk of excuses in order to accept the mediocrity being dished up im afraid . For certain people it will be anything but the clubs fault. I just hope we dont have a wet winter, because certain people will be calling for renewable energy in W.A because climate change is destroying the fabric of our club

No one is better than offering excuses up for their club than us Eagles fans. Never our fault.

 

[LittleFires]

Already been posted in the injury thread but thought it would be appropriate here as well

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Don’t do the condescending thing with me, it won’t wash.

1. A $5.4m operating profit sounds big if you just quote the number, but it would have been a 33% reduction on the previous year.
2. That AFR article, so presumably the dire half-yearly figures it refers to, came out about six weeks before your quote from Nisbett about wanting to renegotiate the fee, so you can infer the club’s thinking around that time, even if the full-year figures ended up being a bit better.
3. You’re essentially back to arguing “look we’ve made pots of money, we had no need to worry about what licence fee we were paying.” Which was my original point.

1) simply admit you’re wrong and you don’t know what you’re talking about

2) the AFR article itself states the reasons for the loss in the first half of the year, and validates what I said. The filing for first half of the year would have occurred in June. Circumstances by tome of the report would have been manifestly different as there were numerous home games and the outline of the clubs financial position would have been known by those at the club at the time of Nisbett’s comments.

3) I’m not arguing against frugality.
I’m arguing against your assertion that Weat Coast commercial postion was vastly different in 2020 to what it was in 2019. Something you disputed and were wrong about.

Like I said, the only thing that changed was the soft cap.



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[Miguel Sanchez]

1) simply admit you’re wrong and you don’t know what you’re talking about

2) the AFR article itself states the reasons for the loss in the first half of the year, and validates what I said. The filing for first half of the year would have occurred in June. Circumstances by tome of the report would have been manifestly different as there were numerous home games and the outline of the clubs financial position would have been known by those at the club at the time of Nisbett’s comments.

3) I’m not arguing against frugality.
I’m arguing against your assertion that Weat Coast commercial postion was vastly different in 2020 to what it was in 2019. Something you disputed and were wrong about.

Like I said, the only thing that changed was the soft cap.



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1) You don’t want to play this game with me.

2) The “numerous home games” were (a) less than in a normal season and (b) at a reduced capacity. From memory some were limited 50% and some were 75%? Regardless, the crowds were between 19k to 27k (plus 32k for the final), down from 47k to 56k (not counting derbies or finals) the previous year. And at the time they wouldn’t have known what 2021 would bring as the pandemic was ongoing, and in fact there were capacity limits to start 2021 (and even 2022?) as well.

3) 33% lower operating profit for the year = vastly different commercial position.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

1) You don’t want to play this game with me.

2) The “numerous home games” were (a) less than in a normal season and (b) at a reduced capacity. From memory some were limited 50% and some were 75%? Regardless, the crowds were between 19k to 27k (plus 32k for the final), down from 47k to 56k (not counting derbies or finals) the previous year. And at the time they wouldn’t have known what 2021 would bring as the pandemic was ongoing, and in fact there were capacity limits to start 2021 (and even 2022?) as well.

3) 33% lower operating profit for the year = vastly different commercial position.

1) Try me

2) none of this matters. What matters is the bottom line and the club would have understood the club was in a healthy position at the time of Nisbett’s comments.

3) a reduction from 7.1 to 5.4 wouldn’t result in the urgency of reducing the licence by 200K in context of so many competing priorities. It didn’t explain why they would argue for a reduction in licence cost when recruiting was the single biggest issue confronting the beagles…… unless…. It was in the cap.

I’m done. You’re wrong and instead of just admitting it. You double down on a losing argument.

Thanks for playing

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

1) Try me

2) none of this matters. What matters is the bottom line and the club would have understood the club was in a healthy position at the time of Nisbett’s comments.

3) a reduction from 7.1 to 5.4 wouldn’t result in the urgency of reducing the licence by 200K in context of so many competing priorities. It didn’t explain why they would argue for a reduction in licence cost when recruiting was the single biggest issue confronting the beagles…… unless…. It was in the cap.

I’m done. You’re wrong and instead of just admitting it. You double down on a losing argument.

Thanks for playing

When I’m wrong I’m happy to admit it. But you just repeating the same stuff and telling me I’m wrong doesn’t make it so.

This is such a nothing point anyway. The licence fee is what it is. We’ve got an obligation to pay money towards the WAFC to help out the WAFL and grass roots footy. That shouldn’t be a question. If that takes the form of licence fees or dividends or whatever, that’s for the organizations to decide.

If a licence fee comes out of the cap (like Nisbett suggested), then it shouldn’t. If it doesn’t (like Vozzo outright stated), good.

 

[plays tall 1]

Regarding the debacle that is the club’s current WAFL participation, have they pressed the WAFL to create a new club with which they could align, along the same lines as Freo and Peel Thunder? Peel joined the WAFL in 1997, the population of Perth has increased almost 800,000 since then. Surely that’s enough people to justify fresh zones to support a new team.

 

[RookiePick]

...Thats embaressing, and more so they should send 30 million of it back to WA football.

I'd be inclined to agree with you excepting that I have no faith the WAFC or WAFL would have anything material to show by the time they exhausted the 30 million dollars.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I'd be inclined to agree with you excepting that I have no faith the WAFC or WAFL would have anything material to show by the time they exhausted the 30 million dollars.

Well if it was sent to the WAFC the WAFL would get none of it. It is the levels below that produce AFL footballers, AFL clubs don't produce AFL footballers, all they do is put on the entertainment of the final product.
So the money should be going to the levels below that do all the heavy lifting and all the work.

 

[RookiePick]

Well if it was sent to the WAFC the WAFL would get none of it. It is the levels below that produce AFL footballers, AFL clubs don't produce AFL footballers, all they do is put on the entertainment of the final product.
So the money should be going to the levels below that do all the heavy lifting and all the work.

A strong WAFL is essential for footy to survive in WA. No arguments there. I actually think the WAFL is one of the last bastions of the game of Australian Rules Football as opposed to the "product" that is AFL football and that it is an important part of our culture for a range of reasons.

That footy in WA is in such a state that pretty much none of the key stakeholders - AFL Teams, WAFC, WAFL - seem to be able to work productively together to find mutually beneficial outcomes should be a concern.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

A strong WAFL is essential for footy to survive in WA. No arguments there. I actually think the WAFL is one of the last bastions of the game of Australian Rules Football as opposed to the "product" that is AFL football and that it is an important part of our culture for a range of reasons.

That footy in WA is in such a state that pretty much none of the key stakeholders - AFL Teams, WAFC, WAFL - seem to be able to work productively together to find mutually beneficial outcomes should be a concern.

All three parties are to blame but I do put a lot of this on the WAFC who are trying to be seen to do whats right for the Eagles and Dockers and also to do whats right for the WAFL. Therefor they never really make a decision and they just sit on the fence.

Freo don't have the issues the Eagles have had with their alignments and anything to do with the WAFL, yet the Eagles do have issues. Who has it right?
You never here the WAFL clubs complain about the alignment between Peel and Freo yet every set up with the Eagles seems to be an issue.
Trevor Nisbett and the Eagles are the common denominator. Dictatorships don't work, not even in sport.

I am a West perth member and I can tell you that the Falcons have no problems with the Eagles being in the WAFL as long as it does not compromise the comp. The Eagles wan things that would compromise the comp, they want to recruit the other WAFL clubs best players and be able to pay them mopre than the WAFL clubs can, they want the same salary cap even though they have access to 19 AFL listed players which the WAFL clubs don't have access to.
These types of things are not a reasonable request and hence they continue to have issues at the Eagles.
Freo meantime play within the rules, don't complain 24/7 and work with Peel and the WAFL to get the best possible outcome for all.

Not sure why this is so hard? Ask the WCE.

 

[Chris_6678]

Wonder if Pyke will have a better relationship with the WAFL.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Wonder if Pyke will have a better relationship with the WAFL.

He has very strong ties to Claremont so he may well have. Lets hope so. The Dictatorship has not worked.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Freo don't have the issues the Eagles have had with their alignments and anything to do with the WAFL, yet the Eagles do have issues. Who has it right?
You never here the WAFL clubs complain about the alignment between Peel and Freo yet every set up with the Eagles seems to be an issue.

Peel started 60 years or more after every other WAFL club, and finished last or second last almost every year of their existence prior to aligning with Fremantle.

I’d imagine that made it much easier to arrange than it would with other clubs with proud histories and rusted-on members.

Although I’m sure there was an element of the Eagles dictating terms.

 

[RookiePick]

The Eagles may well be at fault in regards the issues with their WAFL team/alignments set up. We can all see that they are not infallible.

My point was intended to be made more generally about football in the state.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Peel started 60 years or more after every other WAFL club, and finished last or second last almost every year of their existence prior to aligning with Fremantle.

I’d imagine that made it much easier to arrange than it would with other clubs with proud histories and rusted-on members.

Although I’m sure there was an element of the Eagles dictating terms.

I have been a member of west perth since 1978, I am not a rusted on member.
Do you call eagles members rusted on? It's like Dads army at an eagles game.
Rusted on members as you call them are the life blood of football clubs.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The Eagles may well be at fault in regards the issues with their WAFL team/alignments set up. We can all see that they are not infallible.

My point was intended to be made more generally about football in the state.

Fair enough mate.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I have been a member of west perth since 1978, I am not a rusted on member.
Do you call eagles members rusted on? It's like Dads army at an eagles game.
Rusted on members as you call them are the life blood of football clubs.

It wasn’t meant to be derogatory. The fact is that for any WAFL club we could try to partner up with, there’d be members and supporters and volunteers who had been there for decades. Even Perth who’ve been rubbish for my entire life would have a decent number of people involved who were around in the Cable/Rob Wiley days and would want to protect that history.

When Freo partnered up with Peel, they’d been around less than 20 years and were easybeats the entire time. That would make it a much easier proposition. They had significantly less to protect.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

WAFL Recap: Round One

WAFL Eagles coach Kyal Horsley recaps Saturday’s round one clash with Swan Districts

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

Horsley’s best three were Ruscoe, Rawlinson and Rotham(!) and he apparently forgot Dewar was an AFL listed player, which doesn’t bode well for selection.

 

[LittleFires]

WAFL Recap: Round One

WAFL Eagles coach Kyal Horsley recaps Saturday’s round one clash with Swan Districts

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

Interesting to see Josh Rotham

35

Josh Rotham

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.8

2star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

167.2

3star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

157.5

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

168.0

3star

ranked the third best player on ground by Horsley. From my perspective he was solid, a few good defensive acts, but certainly wouldn't have him in the best 3. I guess watching on a poor quality live stream you can miss some elements of players' performances that coaches do see, but I really didn't think he was that exceptional.

Also seems like they forgot about Tyrell Dewar.

 

[LittleFires]

WAFL Recap: Round One

WAFL Eagles coach Kyal Horsley recaps Saturday’s round one clash with Swan Districts

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

Horsley’s best three were Ruscoe, Rawlinson and Rotham(!) and he apparently forgot Dewar was an AFL listed player, which doesn’t bode well for selection.

Looks like they have updated the article with a bit about Dewar at the bottom

 

[DanWCE]

You never here the WAFL clubs complain about the alignment between Peel and Freo

Might have been a grumble or two with some rule tweaks as Peel stormed their way into Finals

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Might have been a grumble or two with some rule tweaks as Peel stormed their way into Finals

That was the year they qualified their senior team to play WAFL finals.