Western Bulldogs set to pounce on super-draft

[The Coon Dog]

Jon Ralph - Herald Sun - 21 October

THE Western Bulldogs are thrilled to have been handed a third-round compensation selection for GWS-bound Sam Reid, and will activate it for next year's super-draft. Bulldogs football manager James Fantasia yesterday revealed plans to plunder the 2012 national draft using the Reid pick and a first-round selection for losing GWS onballer Callan Ward.

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[Anja_Nees]

Jon Ralph - Herald Sun - 21 October

THE Western Bulldogs are thrilled to have been handed a third-round compensation selection for GWS-bound Sam Reid, and will activate it for next year's super-draft. Bulldogs football manager James Fantasia yesterday revealed plans to plunder the 2012 national draft using the Reid pick and a first-round selection for losing GWS onballer Callan Ward.

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Thankfully we are promoting Panos and Barlow's status is uncertain. Happy to keep Barlow as a rookie for an extra year but surely we can't promote him.

 

[Gridlock'd]

Mention that Stack is likely to be delisted, with Hooper and Addison retained.

No mention of Mulligan however?

 

[dogman]

Thankfully we are promoting Panos and Barlow's status is uncertain. Happy to keep Barlow as a rookie for an extra year but surely we can't promote him]



So do we finally have confirmation from the club that Panos will be promoted - or are we still just speculating

 

[stefoid]

Says we will be looking at more picks than the ones we currently got.

i.e. trading someone(s). Presumably those picks would be 1st-3rd rounds.

 

[Leezorr]

So time to tank?

 

[stefoid]

So time to tank?

No, time to give the good kids responsibility in the positions we want them to play long term.

If that results in a poor year in terms of wins, so be it.

 

[100action]

Melbourne- 2 first round picks (Scully)
Geelong- 1 first round pick (Ablett)
Bulldogs- 1 first round pick (Ward), 1 third round pick (Reid)
Gold Coast- 1 first round pick (Ablett), 2 end of first round picks (Bock) (Brennan)
Brisbane- 2 end of first round picks (Rischitelli) + (Harbrow)
West Coast- 1 third round pick (Fraser)
Richmond- 1 second round pick (Andrew Cracker)
Greater Western Sydney- 1 first round pick (Davis), 1 end of first round pick (Palmer)

Our 3rd round pick will be pushed back a minimum of 12 places next year, 13 if West Coast somehow finish below us

Taking this into account the only possible way to get 5 picks in the top 50 is to finish last. Perhaps it would be wise to activate this pick in 2013.

 

[Ant_]

Interesting, I thought they would hold onto it for a while

 

[VitalDread]

Interesting, I thought they would hold onto it for a while

Well maybe the coaching staff decided that since we want to be "feared", we should be aggressive in the draft

 

[Butane]

I feel that keeping Barlow as a rookie may mean we are tempted to play him next year when our young guys are getting smashed. Hell, it might be worth playing him but I can take him or leave him

Personally I'd like to see Johannissen retained as a rookie and I haven't seen enough of Prato to make an informed decision.

 

[Kelvin31]

I feel that keeping Barlow as a rookie may mean we are tempted to play him next year when our young guys are getting smashed. Hell, it might be worth playing him but I can take him or leave him

Personally I'd like to see Johannissen retained as a rookie and I haven't seen enough of Prato to make an informed decision.

^^ Yep, we should keep Joh for another year, give him a chance. Panos should be upgraded, will be a good KPF or KPD for us in the future.

 

[Turtle]

I think the one that's going to hurt us is the Harbrow pick we gave away for Sherman, easy to say in hindsight though.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

I think the one that's going to hurt us is the Harbrow pick we gave away for Sherman, easy to say in hindsight though.

Not so sure. My problem with comparisons like this is that people always compare the traded player to the player taken in that draft. There is no guarantee that the player we would have taken at that pick would be the one that was actually taken by another club.

Most players taken in the draft don't end up being to special. We know Sherman is a decent player, and that he is young, so I'm happy with the trade (it is NOTHING like the fail Richmond perpetrated by trading 19 for McMahon).

 

[DexterTan]

No, time to give the good kids responsibility in the positions we want them to play long term.

If that results in a poor year in terms of wins, so be it.

Hopefully Bulldogs supporters will understand this and lower their expectations and not be too hard on the team in 2012

 

[Igloo]

Hopefully Bulldogs supporters will understand this and lower their expectations and not be too hard on the team in 2012

I wouldn't count on it, DT. I wouldn't count on it at all.
Going to be painful listening to some of the stupid shit some people say.

 

[GlovedLikeGrgic]

Panos or Da House to number 18 pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee its been to long since Leon did the number proud

 

[Pigdog]

Hopefully Bulldogs supporters will understand this and lower their expectations and not be too hard on the team in 2012

But with our Prez selling us the 're-fresh' direction don't we have every right to feel we can turn it around after one bad year?

 

[Guido]

Not so sure. My problem with comparisons like this is that people always compare the traded player to the player taken in that draft. There is no guarantee that the player we would have taken at that pick would be the one that was actually taken by another club.

AFAIK that pick hasn't been activated, so who exactly are people comparing him to?

In terms of the value, of course people are going to make a comparison to what could have been picked up if the trade was not done. That's the value we placed on him and what will dictate whether it was a wise swap, and the fact is that it could turn out to be a very wrong decision.

If we had have kept it and activated it next year, that pick would be between 20-25 in a very strong draft. You reckon anyone in the league would be willing to give a pick up in that range during next year's trade week for someone like Sherman?

(it is NOTHING like the fail Richmond perpetrated by trading 19 for McMahon).

At the moment he's a dime a dozen runner who's 25 by the start of next season, so if he ekes out another 3-4 years of in-between football, and pick, say, 21, could have (and would have) picked up someone of the calibre of Ward, then it would be a reasonably similar screw up.

He can still improve, but only the most biased of supporters would say we're winning this trade at the moment.

 

[True Dog]

But with our Prez selling us the 're-fresh' direction don't we have every right to feel we can turn it around after one bad year?

I thinkwe need to give the refresh at least 2 years? This year Macca will start to implement changes to our game plan and next year wholesale changes to the list... That said I don't think we will be bottom four as some have suggested...

 

[gangsta deluxe]

AFAIK that pick hasn't been activated, so who exactly are people comparing him to?

In terms of the value, of course people are going to make a comparison to what could have been picked up if the trade was not done. That's the value we placed on him and what will dictate whether it was a wise swap, and the fact is that it could turn out to be a very wrong decision.

If we had have kept it and activated it next year, that pick would be between 20-25 in a very strong draft. You reckon anyone in the league would be willing to give a pick up in that range during next year's trade week for someone like Sherman?

At the moment he's a dime a dozen runner who's 25 by the start of next season, so if he ekes out another 3-4 years of in-between football, and pick, say, 21, could have (and would have) picked up someone of the calibre of Ward, then it would be a reasonably similar screw up.

He can still improve, but only the most biased of supporters would say we're winning this trade at the moment.

I take your points. It's true that we aren't winning the trade at the moment. Maybe Sherman will improve though, so time will tell.

I'm also not indicating that the pick has been activated, I'm saying that if it turns out to be a gun, people shouldn't stress, as we might not have picked up the same player with that pick. It just brings up the cal ward, mcmahon comparisons. I guarantee that a few of the picks around ward would have turned out to be spuds, and if it was one of them nobody would be making those comparisons (nonetheless, we still robbed them for the pick we got for McMahon).

Hindsight is a wonderful thing sometimes. We thought we were challenging when we picked Sherman up. We also had no idea at that stage that it is going to be a super draft next year (and if we did, id be pretty impressed with our scouts).

I think the club, in the circumstances, made the right choice (which doesn't always correlate with winning the trade). We wanted an immediate return on Harbrow, because we thought we were still up there.

 

[HK_Bulldog]

If we do intend to load up in next years draft I hope we also load up on our recruiting department so we don't stuff up the selections.

 

[stefoid]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing sometimes. We thought we were challenging when we picked Sherman up. We also had no idea at that stage that it is going to be a super draft next year (and if we did, id be pretty impressed with our scouts).

I think the club, in the circumstances, made the right choice (which doesn't always correlate with winning the trade). We wanted an immediate return on Harbrow, because we thought we were still up there.

yep...

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Hopefully Bulldogs supporters will understand this and lower their expectations and not be too hard on the team in 2012

Keep well away from Facebook in that case. I've got a feeling we'll do better than everyone expects - ie I don't think we'll sink any lower, and the new coach might just have the right formula to turn our fortunes around (think Wallace 97 and Eade coming in after Rohde).

But with our Prez selling us the 're-fresh' direction don't we have every right to feel we can turn it around after one bad year?

You forgot the
Or was that a serious question?

 

[Pigdog]

You forgot the
Or was that a serious question?

You got me.

Struggle town, population = us.