What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

[ossie_21]

I wrote this in the unpopular opinions thread on the mainboard:

How do people feel about multiple gather rounds each year? It could potentially solve a lot of the equality issues surrounding the fixture. You could have everyone play everyone else in 17 home and away rounds + a bye. (If you play a team home in 2023, you play them away in 2024). The remaining 6 rounds are all gather rounds - (1x SA, 1x WA, 1x Vic, 1x NSW, 1x QLD, 1x Tas) which are played in each state, you play derby's or showdowns when the games are in each of their respective states (Tas you would just do North v Hawthorn).

That’s actually pretty logical, TAS would need to get their shit together with stadiums to have all the games without the surfaces going to crap, but it would certainly help with their case for a stand-alone side if it was all a success.

I’ve been saying for a while now that fixtures should be equitable over a 2 year period, nobody can complain about 1 home & 1 away. Some clubs get lucky with double-ups and some don’t, that helps remove it

 

[threenewpadlocks]

There'll never be a local derby in the gather round because it means that 8 of the 9 games, not 7, are neutral games.

AFL ideally would also want to maximise Vic vs Non-Vic matchup because you're taking away a match that could have higher attendance if both home and away fans would want to go. Of course making all 9 games that combination is hard because of all the other requirements of the fixture, but they would never have more than 1 or 2 in the round. For all the round's success I'm sure they're a bit frustrated that they missed out on two big MCG crowds for Essendon/Melbourne and St Kilda/Collingwood.

So in this framework really the only "fair" way of doing it is rotating which 2 Vic teams are forced to play away every 4-5 years. Or give it to Geelong every year to balance out their unique home ground advantage as being the only Vic team that has a HGA vs. Other Vic teams but no home ground disadvantage.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Yet no coaches votes

 

[hutchy31]

No coaches votes for the Bont against the Power is laughable.

Heard them just talking about it on SEN on drive home, there must be a segment where a guy from champion data talks about players who were dudded by the coaches votes.

He said Bont’s game is likely to be judged one of the top 20-25 individual games of the year. Baffling that he didn’t get any votes.

Edit: just saw the above post. Apologies. Worth mentioning it twice though!

 

[my plums]

Yet no coaches votes

And he only played three quarters! No fault of his own though….

 

[geoffjennings79]

So Beveridge didn't rate Bont either.

I wonder if he thought Bont had a poor last quarter - especially the part he spent on the bench sitting next to English!!!!

 

[Libbaaaa]

Marshall played 5 minutes yet got votes. English was outplayed by Dixon and Finlayson for the last 30 minutes yet got votes. Just bizarre. Bont will get Brownlow votes 100% for this game.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Anyone would think Adelaide had just been discovered given all this Gather Round stuff.

Ooh look, Adelaide has places to eat and drink, Ooh look, Adelaide has people who like football, Adelaide has football grounds.

The whole thing was a bit of a w*** tbh.

You've got to remember that most off the people blowing smoke up the arse of Adelaide and the Gather Round were there on somebody else's coin.

In all likelihood that was either directly or indirectly that of the S.A. taxpayer.

So it's little wonder that they had a great time of it and would very much encourage all concerned to pony up so they could do agin next year.

It'd b better still for these moochers if there was perpetual bidding war between two or more idiotic state governments for the rights. That seems to work out great for international sports. And the AFL is nothing if not aspirational when hit looks to overseas trends.

Then the same writers could then write the same things about somewhere else.

Who's says there's do such thing as free lunch or in this case an weeklong interstate junket.

Life is indeed grand.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Taking the game to the people...via their pockets.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Kylie Watson-Wheeler is among the leading contenders to become the AFL’s next CEO. Picture: Daniel Pockett
9. Kylie Watson-Wheeler missed a chance for a bit of quality PR regardless of whether she eventually secures the AFL’s chief executive role.

The Dogs president seemed to have been summoned by the league to be part of their gala dinner as the Herald Sun revealed she was one of the favourites for the role.

But instead of taking it in her stride, she declined a series of requests from various forms of media, flying past the TV cameras while declining comment in one awkward moment.

Surely if she is AFL CEO material, she is capable of artfully dodging the serious questions – and her role in the process – while raving about Gather Round and her club.

Instead she appeared evasive.

On that front, the AFL’s competition manager Laura Kane was effortless in front of the camera in multiple opportunities as she is slated for a greater football role that would require a greater media profile.

Test passed with flying colours.

Yes, it seems like she has put her own interests in front of the Bulldogs interests... no one, and i mean no one outside of the Western Bulldogs has ever seen Kylie Watson-Wheeler let alone heard from her... would have been a great chance for her to get the Bulldogs, her voice and her image out there in a world of loud mouth Presidents promoting their own clubs that dominate the landscape.
Whilst we haven't heard a peep out of her on anything of consequence she might have been doing a great job in the background... but it would be good to hear that from someone in the know.

 

[SPower]

Take out of this what we want.
David King " the bulldogs are 18th for teams with footy"

What in hell is going on?

We had all summer to iron out our system, transition out of defence and use our forwards.
Coaching staff need a thorough review.
Regards
Stephen

 

[Bald]

Take out of this what we want.
David King " the bulldogs are 18th for teams with footy"

What in hell is going on?

We had all summer to iron out our system, transition out of defence and use our forwards.
Coaching staff need a thorough review.
Regards
Stephen

I wonder how much can be attributed towards us playing in two of the biggest slogs in years over the last two rounds.

I’m not too concerned. Clearly a switch has happened since our two horrible losses in the opening two rounds.

 

[doggies ftw]

I wonder how much can be attributed towards us playing in two of the biggest slogs in years over the last two rounds.

I’m not too concerned. Clearly a switch has happened since our two horrible losses in the opening two rounds.

Definitely lazy journalism considering the two slogs we’ve played in, but to be honest I don’t think there’s been any signs of a change. We’ve just won it out of the middle more but there’s been no indication of improvement in our ball movement, friday will tell us a lot - if it’s still poor there should be majorrrr alarm bells ringing

 

[dergert]

Definitely lazy journalism considering the two slogs we’ve played in, but to be honest I don’t think there’s been any signs of a change. We’ve just won it out of the middle more but there’s been no indication of improvement in our ball movement, friday will tell us a lot - if it’s still poor there should be majorrrr alarm bells ringing

Our defence looked good against Port!


(Until Bruce went down).

 

[glenashley]

Take out of this what we want.
David King " the bulldogs are 18th for teams with footy"

What in hell is going on?

We had all summer to iron out our system, transition out of defence and use our forwards.
Coaching staff need a thorough review.
Regards
Stephen

He also wrote a fox footy article.

Won't bore you all with the whole thing but 18th for kicking efficiency and 18th for efficiency inside 50.

Most damning is our so called 'gun' kicks absolutely spudding it up.


"Stats show the Dogs do have four players inside the top 75 for kick efficiency, including skipper Marcus Bontempelli, Tom Liberatore, Bailey Smith and Jack Macrae.

But King said some of their players were making good kicks “look pretty ordinary”.

“Some of the kickers in this team have been good kicks along the journey,” he said.

“The guys on the edges who are supposed to the damage – Bailey Dale has slipped to 123rd in the competition (for kick ranking). Ed Richards 140th. Caleb Daniel 155th – now he never used to miss. 155th kick in the competition. JJ (Jason Johannisen) 281st. Bailey Williams 323rd and Adam Treloar outside of the top 500 – those numbers are stark."

 

[doggies ftw]

He also wrote a fox footy article.

Won't bore you all with the whole thing but 18th for kicking efficiency and 18th for efficiency inside 50.

Most damning is our so called 'gun' kicks absolutely spudding it up.


"Stats show the Dogs do have four players inside the top 75 for kick efficiency, including skipper Marcus Bontempelli, Tom Liberatore, Bailey Smith and Jack Macrae.

But King said some of their players were making good kicks “look pretty ordinary”.

“Some of the kickers in this team have been good kicks along the journey,” he said.

“The guys on the edges who are supposed to the damage – Bailey Dale has slipped to 123rd in the competition (for kick ranking). Ed Richards 140th. Caleb Daniel 155th – now he never used to miss. 155th kick in the competition. JJ (Jason Johannisen) 281st. Bailey Williams 323rd and Adam Treloar outside of the top 500 – those numbers are stark."

I don’t blame these guys in the back half to be honest, watching live moving the ball out of defence is a ****ing joke - just flat out stagnant, no movement whatsoever, no run, no overlap. No options.

Guys like Dale, Red & Daniel (when back there) are tasked with the sole responsibility of trying to make something out of nothing with their kicking. It’s just painful to watch, throw them at half back in any decent system and they’re elite ball users consistently generating scoring chains from half back.

 

[Golden_6]

We’ve put in some dreadful performances to start the season in recent years (excluding 2021).

For the 2020, 2022 & 2023 seasons in rounds 1 & 2, we’ve started off 0-6 with some absolutely terrible losses in there. Why do we start generally start seasons so poorly? We then spend the whole season making up ground and putting ourselves in a poor finals position.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

He also wrote a fox footy article.

Won't bore you all with the whole thing but 18th for kicking efficiency and 18th for efficiency inside 50.

Most damning is our so called 'gun' kicks absolutely spudding it up.


"Stats show the Dogs do have four players inside the top 75 for kick efficiency, including skipper Marcus Bontempelli, Tom Liberatore, Bailey Smith and Jack Macrae.

But King said some of their players were making good kicks “look pretty ordinary”.

“Some of the kickers in this team have been good kicks along the journey,” he said.

“The guys on the edges who are supposed to the damage – Bailey Dale has slipped to 123rd in the competition (for kick ranking). Ed Richards 140th. Caleb Daniel 155th – now he never used to miss. 155th kick in the competition. JJ (Jason Johannisen) 281st. Bailey Williams 323rd and Adam Treloar outside of the top 500 – those numbers are stark."

But what King doesn't seem to understand is that there's always going to be a trade off. He's not entirely wrong, but we're always a good clearance team. Our kicking (more linked to turnover/transition footy) would look better if we didn't try to win games by winning the clearance battle. You sacrifice some areas by being better in others

 

[stefoid]

But what King doesn't seem to understand is that there's always going to be a trade off. He's not entirely wrong, but we're always a good clearance team. Our kicking (more linked to turnover/transition footy) would look better if we didn't try to win games by winning the clearance battle. You sacrifice some areas by being better in others

I think the 'drop off' is because we are trying to play faster more direct footy in transition - but not doing it very well. The good kicks that have stayed good are all mids and the good kicks that have dropped off are mostly rebounding defenders who are obviously struggling to find or hit targets so quickly. If Treloars kicking has dropped off its because his role has also changed somewhat? hes certainly finding lots of the footy , both contested and uncontested though

It stands to reason that if you are playing faster, riskier footy then more of your kicks are not going to come off - the part that is not working is its supposed to result in higher scoring to compensate.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I just think opponents are pressing up on our defenders much more aggressively because they know if they force a turnover we can't defend for shit. We are letting a lot of front running happen and teams are capitalising.

 

[stefoid]

I just think opponents are pressing up on our defenders much more aggressively because they know if they force a turnover we can't defend for s**t. We are letting a lot of front running happen and teams are capitalising.

well...we are playing more of a 1:1 defence at times now, possibly in an effort to stop the opposition barging through the middle of the ground while we guard grass. The flip side to that is when the ball changes hands, the player you were standing next to is now standing next to you.

Im not sure when we defend one way or the other but Im guessing at center bounces and corridor stoppages, we might be 1:1 and when the opposition rebounds out of our F50, we are probably trying to zone up ahead of them?

Im not sure, but its frustrating that we appear to be such a work in progress from a system point of view when with our experience and age profile, we should be a well oiled machine

 

[Smiley Boy]

Whilst numbers aren’t great it’s also pissed down rain 3 out of our 5 games

 

[TiAn_]

Whilst numbers aren’t great it’s also pissed down rain 3 out of our 5 games

Yeah, although the Saints and Lions games don’t fill me with hope that our shitty ball movement will be any better, I’m prepared to give us the benefit of the doubt until we have a few more games on dry decks.

 

[SPower]

Let's hope for all our sakes, if this team makes a GF it is 32C and lovely and Warm for the boys. LOL

 

[SPower]

Sorry for this. I just need another flag before the cremation