Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

Keep pick 1, or trade it?


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I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.
 
Just the greatest Gut Runner ever.

Carried our midfield from ‘98

Behind Judd and Kerr as he was leaving his prime and they were at the peak of his powers.

Sacrificed his game and moved back to hff rotating mid and won a Brownlow.

Spiritual leader.

Cousins fell apart, dragged the club through mud and is still arguably the greatest Eagle.

Please, you people.
I agree with all of the above.

I never said he wasn't a great player.
He was a champ, along with Judd, Kerr and Cox.

Maybe I just have a different opinion on what's called a generational player that's all.
 
I agree with all of the above.

I never said he wasn't a great player.
He was a champ, along with Judd, Kerr and Cox.

Maybe I just have a different opinion on what's called a generational player that's all.
Given he was all australian 6 times, there are only 9 players in history with more selections than him. Surely that meets the criteria?
 

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Given he was all australian 6 times, there are only 9 players in history with more selections than him. Surely that meets the criteria?

Sure there's only been 9 more, but I don't know how many have 6.
Brad Johnson, Dean Cox and Chris Judd and Corey Enright have 6 as well.
I don't know how many others there are.

Would you call Enright generational?

If you just want to base it on AA's, that's fine.
I'm not slagging Cousins off, it's subjective.

I think Guy McKenna is probably the best HBF I've seen, and he has 3 compared to Enrights 6.

If you think Cuzz and all of the others with 6 and above are generational, that's up to you.
I don't that's all.

Here's the list:

Out of that list, I would rate Franklin, with daylight between the others.
You could make a case for Carey and possibly Ablett.
They're all champions of the game however.

 
Sounds like some people are forgetting how incredible Ben Cousins was as a player. The bloke was a superstar, one of the best midfielders and gut runners I’ve ever seen. Sublime finishing too.

If Reid was anything close to him, we’d be insanely fortunate.
This.

People are too young or forget how good Cuzz was. Especially when we were a rabble early 00s it was only him worth watching and he'd bust his gut every week.

As he started to get help from Kerr, Judd etc it was just glorious.

Reid would have to be bloody amazing for a decade to compete.

But I'm looking for to Reid, Hewett, Long, Ginbey and co building for the next few years.

It'll be exciting at least.

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Maybe look up the word.
Generational is used to much.

Great player among great midfielders of the time.
A lot of people thought he was behind Judd and Kerr.

Generational players to me are players like Leight Matthews, Buddy Franklin and Gary Ablett Junior.
He most definitely was not behind Kerr.
As good as Kerr was he didn't win a B&F and was a 1x All Australian. Cousins had him well and truly covered.
Judd at his peak at West Coast was the best we've ever had. And as good as midfielders get. His 2007 OP issues were such a shame, he'd have polled insanely in the Brownlow that year.
Anyhow I do agree however that generational talents, by definition, come along once a generation, and he is just one of a number of great mids of his time.
 
Just the greatest Gut Runner ever.

Carried our midfield from ‘98

Behind Judd and Kerr as he was leaving his prime and they were at the peak of his powers.

Sacrificed his game and moved back to hff rotating mid and won a Brownlow.

Spiritual leader.

Cousins fell apart, dragged the club through mud and is still arguably the greatest Eagle.

Please, you people.
Not to mention, a fantastic on-field (and training track) leader. Obviously off-field things went very astray in the leadership department, but you also get the sense he was universally loved at the club. Kerr I think not
 
Sure there's only been 9 more, but I don't know how many have 6.
Brad Johnson, Dean Cox and Chris Judd and Corey Enright have 6 as well.
I don't know how many others there are.

Would you call Enright generational?

If you just want to base it on AA's, that's fine.
I'm not slagging Cousins off, it's subjective.

I think Guy McKenna is probably the best HBF I've seen, and he has 3 compared to Enrights 6.

If you think Cuzz and all of the others with 6 and above are generational, that's up to you.
I don't that's all.

Here's the list:

Out of that list, I would rate Franklin, with daylight between the others.
You could make a case for Carey and possibly Ablett.
They're all champions of the game however.

If Carey isn't generational then nobody is.
 
He most definitely was not behind Kerr.
As good as Kerr was he didn't win a B&F and was a 1x All Australian. Cousins had him well and truly covered.
Judd at his peak at West Coast was the best we've ever had. And as good as midfielders get. His 2007 OP issues were such a shame, he'd have polled insanely in the Brownlow that year.
Anyhow I do agree however that generational talents, by definition, come along once a generation, and he is just one of a number of great mids of his time.
Kerr is criminally underrated IMO.

Two seconds and a 3rd in the Brownlow.
Not as "sexy" as Judd and Cousins but I place them nearly in the same bracket.
 
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Maybe NN?

If we're talking generational, I don't think there's ever been a big man who can do what Nic did.
Doubt we'll see anyone like him again.
Love Nic but he doesn’t sit in the company I mentioned above in my opinion.
He sits in the next group with the likes of Judd, Buckley, Matera, McLeod, Hird, Voss, Kouta, Dangerfield, Fyfe ect ect. All superstars of the game just not generational in my opinion but everyone will see it differently 👍🏻
 
Love Nic but he doesn’t sit in the company I mentioned above in my opinion.
He sits in the next group with the likes of Judd, Buckley, Matera, McLeod, Hird, Voss, Kouta, Dangerfield, Fyfe ect ect. All superstars of the game just not generational in my opinion but everyone will see it differently 👍🏻

Guys like Nicnat, Kouta and Judd in particular were true generational talents. Injury just stopped them from showing their best over an extended period. Their best, in their positions of the field was at times otherwordly, even next to greats of the game and the best players of their eras.

Akermanis and Jarman criminally underrated too. Talent wise truly in a class of their own with the above listed players. Also lets not forget Matty Primus. 195cm ruckman who until they changed the jumping rules was just obscene in the ruck. Port seriously choked, they should have had the dynasty at the start of the millenium.
 
Kerr is criminally underrated IMO.

Two seconds and a 3rd in the Brownlow.
Not as "sexy" as Judd and Kerr but I place them nearly in the same bracket.
Judd, Cousins and Kerr were all outstanding footballers, but the activities of Cousins and Kerr during, and post their careers were (and still are) an ongoing source of embarrassment to the club. Personally, I try to block the memories of both these guys. They, and a few others led the club down a dark path, the stench of which stills permeates WC’s history. In any discussions about legends, GOATS, etc I prefer to leave both of these guys out of the conversation, their damage was irreparable.
 
Obviously further derailing the thread topic, but I put a couple of questions to AI (Bard).

Explain the difference between a generational talent versus a champion in the context of Australian Rules football.

Sure, here are the key differences between a generational talent and a champion in the context of Australian Rules football.

  • Generational talent:
    • A player who is considered to be one of the best players of their generation, if not all time.
    • They are typically physically dominant and have a natural ability to play the game.
    • They are often the stars of their team and can single-handedly win games.
    • Examples of generational talents in AFL include: Gary Ablett Jr., Dustin Martin, and Wayne Carey.
  • Champion:
    • A player who has consistently performed at a high level over a long period of time.
    • They are typically leaders on their team and are known for their work ethic and dedication.
    • They are often the difference-makers in big games and can help their team win championships.
    • Examples of champions in AFL include: Michael Voss, Chris Judd, and Nick Riewoldt.
Here are some additional points to consider:
  • A generational talent is typically someone who is born with natural ability, while a champion is someone who has worked hard to develop their skills and become the best player they can be.
  • A generational talent may only have a short window of dominance, while a champion can play at a high level for many years.
  • A generational talent can change the way the game is played, while a champion is typically a great player in their own right, but does not necessarily change the game.
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Was Chris Judd a Champion player or Generational talent?

Chris Judd was both a champion player and a generational talent. He is widely considered to be one of the greatest players of all time, and he is the only player to have won the Brownlow Medal, the AFL Players' Association MVP Award, and the Norm Smith Medal in the same season (2004).

Judd was a dominant player in all areas of the game. He was a brilliant ball-winner, a powerful runner, and a devastating goal-kicker. He was also a great leader and a role model for his teammates.

Judd played 279 games for West Coast and Carlton over 13 seasons, and he won two AFL premierships (2006 and 2010). He was also named All-Australian on eight occasions.

In my opinion, Chris Judd was a generational talent who was also a champion player. He was one of the most complete footballers of his generation, and he had a major impact on the game. He is a true great of the AFL.
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Was Ben Cousins a champion player of Generational talent?

Ben Cousins was a generational talent who had the potential to be a champion player. He was one of the most gifted footballers of his generation, with a natural ability to read the play and make something out of nothing. He was also a very tough player who was not afraid of contact.

However, Cousins' career was ultimately derailed by his off-field problems with drug addiction. He was suspended from the AFL on several occasions, and he eventually retired in 2010 at the age of 30.

If Cousins had been able to overcome his personal demons, he would have been a champion player. He had the talent to be one of the greatest players of all time, but his personal problems prevented him from reaching his full potential.

In my opinion, Ben Cousins was a generational talent who could have been a champion player. However, his off-field problems prevented him from realizing his full potential. He is a cautionary tale of what can happen when talent is not matched by discipline
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90’s Ablett Snr, Carey
2000’s Ablett Jnr
2010’s Buddy, Dusty

Dusty is an interesting one. I think he and Judd are similar in that their peaks were as high as it gets but they didn't sustain it for as long as other 'generational talents'.

Judd because of injury, Dusty because of his mentality and late development.

I'd also throw Fyfe into that category, perhaps a notch down mostly due to his body. His '13-15 was incredible. And I can't remember which year (2015?), but he had that ~10 game stretch to start the season which is probably the best stretch I've ever seen.

Guy probably should have had 3 Brownlows. An odd dude and a bit annoying in the 'Nic Nat oversaturated' way, but it's strange how he's forgotten in the best of conversations.
 
Kerr is criminally underrated IMO.

Two seconds and a 3rd in the Brownlow.
Not as "sexy" as Judd and Cousins but I place them nearly in the same bracket.
Cousins still dominated when he was a lone hand while Kerr struggled when he was the No.1 Banana.

That's the difference between the two.
 
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