What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

[Saint]

Renewable Energy Storage Roadmap

As Australia transitions to net zero, renewable energy storage is critical to ensure a secure, sustainable and affordable electricity supply.

www.csiro.au

Here's what an actual energy roadmap looks like. Unlike the LNP press release.

 

[MPMonkeys]

So we're supposed to give up on windfarms and transmission lines because of NIMBYs and go for Nuclear because there won't be any NIMBY issues?

You've not got any idea of the constant failure of trying to find a nuclear waste facility in Australia. It's been failing for 50 years.

Compared to whingers about turbines who are mostly just Nationals voters(egged on by Nats MPs) objecting on principle, the nuclear waste opposition is gargantuan, bipartisan and internationally co-ordinated.

Why is it gargantuan?
I was listening to Ziggy Switkowski the other day and he said its not a big deal and that most nuclear waste is disposed of on-site these days.
Like I've said ad-nauseum, if almost every other country in the world can resolve the nuclear waste issue (if it's even an issue) then I'm sure some smart minds in Australia can find a solution to it as well. Its not 1960 anymore you realise.

 

[Saint]

Why is it gargantuan?
I was listening to Ziggy Switkowski the other day and he said its not a big deal and that most nuclear waste is disposed of on-site these days.
Like I've said ad-nauseum, if almost every other country in the world can resolve the nuclear waste issue (if it's even an issue) then I'm sure some smart minds in Australia can find a solution to it as well. Its not 1960 anymore you realise.

The anti-nuclear movement still exists and is powerful and organised at the local and international level.

Government abandons plan to dump nuclear waste near Kimba, sparking new hunt for dump site

After a federal court ruling against the government on its proposal to dump nuclear waste near Kimba in South Australia, the government says it will begin again in its search for a waste site.

www.abc.net.au

Like we keep replying ad-nauseum, other countries are having problems with the very thing you're saying they've solved.

Nuclear Waste Is Piling Up. Does the U.S. Have a Plan?

We needs a permanent national nuclear waste disposal site now, before the spent nuclear fuel stored in 35 states becomes unsafe

www.scientificamerican.com

Even if the U.S. starts today, it will take decades to site, design and build a facility for disposal of its nuclear waste stockpile. That process must accelerate now, before the reactors we need for their electricity run out of room for their growing inventories of highly radioactive waste.

It's 2024, it's much harder to get environmental approvals than it was in the 1960's.

The countries which have built plants (outside of China), did it with Russia's help and have also had Russia commit to taking their waste.

Are we going to get China or Russia to build our nuclear plants, by the way?

 

[MPMonkeys]

The anti-nuclear movement still exists and is powerful and organised at the local and international level.

Who cares - Most people are heartily sick of activists these days.

 

[Saint]

Who cares - Most people are heartily sick of activists these days.

Op-Ed: The San Onofre nuclear plant is a 'Fukushima waiting to happen'

Southern California Edison is keeping 3.6 million pounds of lethal radioactive waste at the shuttered San Onofre nuclear plant in San Clemente.

www.latimes.com

How a nuclear stalemate left radioactive waste stranded on a California beach

Nuclear waste is all dressed up with nowhere to go

www.theverge.com

These shuttered plants storing nuclear waste are all across the USA, with limited protection and next to no plans for what to do with it. And they're all next to rivers and waterways, because nuclear plants need stacks of water (another massive problem).

 

[Gough]

Who cares - Most people are heartily sick of activists these days.

What about the scientists who say it's a terrible idea, the economists who say it's absurdly expensive and the banks who won't fund it. Sick of all them too?

 

[Vindicater]

The overwhelming argument for nuclear is that it will safely and efficiently ease the transition to renewables without hiking up prices. Now you can disagree with that premise all you want if you like but that will be the platform that the LNP will go with at the next election.

Now this is an assumption stated as fact.

 

[Vindicater]

You're 'pretty sure' ?
How about being 100% certain next time and maybe posting a link for evidence.

 

[JackOutback]

What about the scientists who say it's a terrible idea, the economists who say it's absurdly expensive and the banks who won't fund it. Sick of all them too?

His alternative facts say different.

 

[MPMonkeys]

What about the scientists who say it's a terrible idea, the economists who say it's absurdly expensive and the banks who won't fund it. Sick of all them too?

There are just as many who say the opposite and there is also the knowledge that it works overseas.
I mean we could both cherry pick people to suit our arguments so its pointless at the end of the day.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Now this is an assumption stated as fact.

No, it is not. I said that it is an 'argument' and a 'premise'.

 

[JackOutback]

There are just as many who say the opposite and there is also the knowledge that it works overseas.
I mean we could both cherry pick people to suit our arguments so its pointless at the end of the day.

This is an absolute lie and you know it.

 

[MPMonkeys]

This is an absolute lie and you know it.

No, it is not.
Stop being so emotional.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Its not 1960 anymore you realise.

Yet here you are, arguing for 1960’s technology.

 

[QuietB]

Yet here you are, arguing for 1960’s technology.

Dutton is magically going to build them at 1960's costs too

 

[JackOutback]

No, it is not.
Stop being so emotional.

There is not an equal amount of scientists that back it, an equal number of economists that believe it offers value for money or an equal number of banks (or other private investment) willing to fund it. You're spreading lies. This is not an equally contested idea.

 

[MPMonkeys]

There is not an equal amount of scientists that back it, an equal number of economists that believe it offers value for money or an equal number of banks (or other private investment) willing to fund it. You're spreading lies. This is not an equally contested idea.

Do you have the official numbers or is it just the vibe?
By the way, it appears to satisfy your criteria across the western world.

 

[QuietB]

Do you have the official numbers or is it just the vibe?
By the way, it appears to satisfy your criteria across the western world.

Tell me how you became a communist?

When did you see the light and what persuaded you?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Do you have the official numbers or is it just the vibe?
By the way, it appears to satisfy your criteria across the western world.

You must be really disappointed with John Howard for supporting that Greens amendment in 1998.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The overwhelming argument for nuclear is that it will safely and efficiently ease the transition to renewables without hiking up prices.

How?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Who cares - Most people are heartily sick of activists these days.

Agreed, pretty sick of these anti-renewables activists polluting the national conversation.

 

[Father Jack]

Apropos of nothing I can't see the point in arguing with trolls once they've made it clear they're not interested in an honest discussion, it just makes for tedious reading that I can't be bothered with.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Apropos of nothing I can't see the point in arguing with trolls once they've made it clear they're not interested in an honest discussion, it just makes for tedious reading that I can't be bothered with.

While this is true I have a compulsion to point out the BS. Just throwing out garbage statements like "it will safely and efficiently ease the transition to renewables without hiking up prices" can't be left unchallenged especially when the extremists who are pushing this policy haven't provided any data to back this up whatsoever.

 

[Vindicater]

There are just as many who say the opposite and there is also the knowledge that it works overseas.
I mean we could both cherry pick people to suit our arguments so its pointless at the end of the day.

Apart from the fact you can cherry pick from a much much much smaller pool.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Apropos of nothing I can't see the point in arguing with trolls once they've made it clear they're not interested in an honest discussion, it just makes for tedious reading that I can't be bothered with.

Whats the difference between a nuclear activist and a troll?

Who cares - Most people are heartily sick of activists these days.