What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

[Lunchtime]

I'm not all that interested in the machinations of each party but surely there is a more stable candidate that Dutton?

He had a 3% swing against him this election and very nearly lost his seat.

That doesn't scream "strong, stable leadership" does it? Surely there's a candidate that had a stronger local showing to try and build support on?

Unless the LNP know they are boned in 2025 regardless & Dutton is just the lamb being led to slaughter before the real leader steps in?

Like my friend said:

"Dutton is more conservative than a statue"

 

[JackOutback]

They want to cap taxpayer money. Nothing about private investment. If renewables stands up then they should have no problem getting private investment.

Why do you not apply this logic to nuclear?

 

[nut]

Why do you not apply this logic to nuclear?

He can’t answer that

 

[Gavin Excell]

Did Littleproufld seriously say they want to cap investment in renewables?

 

[nut]

Did Littleproufld seriously say they want to cap investment in renewables?

Yes….
But not according to MPMonkeys

 

[Pie eyed]

Then I’m not sure of your point. If people want to spend their own money investing in renewables then why would I or anyone be against it. Defies logic.

LNP will force the taxpayer to pay for their undeliverable, already out of date pipe dream nuclear option as well as Coal and Gas in the interim (the 25 years before they fail to deliver anything remotely like a Nuclear Power station) and in that period stop private companies investing in renewables which all private companies barring the mining industry are already investing in.

 

[Home Alone]

The VIC Govt is currently under a huge big build infrastructure project. Are you expecting them to halt all movement whilst this happens?

Do you really think that’s what the proposal is?
Surely people can’t be this thick. Well actually they can sadly.

The VIC Govt is currently under a huge big build infrastructure project. Are you expecting them to halt all movement whilst this happens?

Infrastructure programs can operate concurrently you know. In fact they have to or else nothing would get built.

Engineers and blue collar workers come up against these issues every day. I know that’s hard for private school Greens voters to comprehend.

Vic Big build project has not been 24/7 365 days a year without disruptions to services or accessibility.

Flinders St and Franklin St have had restricted access for years while Metro 2 is being built. Buses have replaced trains while level crossing removal occurs for extended periods. Road closures are required to complete projects that as much as possible engineers schedule for weekends and school holidays.

When would be a good time to temporarily shut down a coal fired power plant where there is a conflict and for how long is it acceptable to take it off-line and restrict electricity usage?

Are you suggesting there is surplus power in the system that one of these plants without causing disruption?

 

[QuietB]

Vic Big build project has not been 24/7 365 days a year without disruptions to services or accessibility.

Flinders St and Franklin St have had restricted access for years while Metro 2 is being built. Buses have replaced trains while level crossing removal occurs for extended periods. Road closures are required to complete projects that as much as possible engineers schedule for weekends and school holidays.

When would be a good time to temporarily shut down a coal fired power plant where there is a conflict and for how long is it acceptable to take it off-line and restrict electricity usage?

Are you suggesting there is surplus power in the system that one of these plants without causing disruption?

Exactly.

And unlike the rail upgrades and whatnot in Victoria, the coal fired power stations are also riddled with contamination.

So Dutton is going to build new nuclear power stations on highly contaminated sites without disrupting existing critical coal fired power stations.

It is a pipe dream.

 

[Crankyhawk]

“We want to send the investment signals that there is a cap on where [the Coalition] will go with renewables and where we will put them,” he said.

FFS it doesn’t get any clearer what their intentions are ….
Are you being deliberately stupid?

On reading that quote it isn’t clear whether it refers to government investment or private investment and in isolation appears more on the government side.

 

[nut]

On reading that quote it isn’t clear whether it refers to government investment or private investment and in isolation appears more on the government side.

It’s all private investment..,, the government is underwriting revenue.
A bit like how we subsidise 57 billion a year to the fossil fuel industry.

https://www.dcceew.gov.au/energy/renewable/capacity-investment-scheme

 

[The Punter]

Hitching your decrepit rickety old horse drawn carriage to something not only insanely dangerous, but economically unviable and doomed to be redundant a decade before it exists is little more than a stunt from Dutton.
The fact he doesn't even remotely understand what a stupid policy he created on a whim is testament to what an abject moron and danger he is, personally, to the country.

I am not against nuclear energy at all.
It could have been a viable replacement for coal and gas 30 years ago.
The Libs never even considered it then because they always have been and still are the employees of the mining and fossil fuel industry. The Liberal party are their political arm.

Dutton, like all Liberal leaders, has yet again missed the boat and is living 30 years ago.
Time he, the Liberal Party and the Nationals and all rest of their ilk "go into the light".
As in "Take a dirt nap".
The country and the planet will better for their demise.

I again restate my disgust at posting wishing other people dead. Considering my clearly stated party membership, this clearly means this poster wishes me dead.

Enforce the rules of the site.

 

[QuietB]

On reading that quote it isn’t clear whether it refers to government investment or private investment and in isolation appears more on the government side.

I’d suggest it is about subsidies which their masters they want going to mining.

 

[MPMonkeys]

It’s all private investment..,, the government is underwriting revenue.
A bit like how we subsidise 57 billion a year to the fossil fuel industry.

https://www.dcceew.gov.au/energy/renewable/capacity-investment-scheme

Huh?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Vic Big build project has not been 24/7 365 days a year without disruptions to services or accessibility.

Flinders St and Franklin St have had restricted access for years while Metro 2 is being built. Buses have replaced trains while level crossing removal occurs for extended periods. Road closures are required to complete projects that as much as possible engineers schedule for weekends and school holidays.

When would be a good time to temporarily shut down a coal fired power plant where there is a conflict and for how long is it acceptable to take it off-line and restrict electricity usage?

Are you suggesting there is surplus power in the system that one of these plants without causing disruption?

Exactly.

And unlike the rail upgrades and whatnot in Victoria, the coal fired power stations are also riddled with contamination.

So Dutton is going to build new nuclear power stations on highly contaminated sites without disrupting existing critical coal fired power stations.

It is a pipe dream.

Yeah, but the self-professed 'smart' person knows more than everyone, evidenced by their ability to identify the issue succintly:

Huh?

This should be your response to everything, as you literally don't understand what the Libs are proposing. Or deliberately choose not to. Or are just trolling. Or most likely of all, just stupid.

 

[Demons09]

Yeah, but the self-professed 'smart' person knows more than everyone, evidenced by their ability to identify the issue succintly:



This should be your response to everything, as you literally don't understand what the Libs are proposing. Or deliberately choose not to. Or are just trolling. Or most likely of all, just stupid.

It’s a moot point anyway the upcoming election wont be about Nuclear power , it will be about cost of living and with a forecast of two more rate rises before Christmas Albo is good as gone.

 

[Gough]

It’s a moot point anyway the upcoming election wont be about Nuclear power , it will be about cost of living and with a forecast of two more rate rises before Christmas Albo is good as gone.

What seats do you see the Libs regaining to get back into government?

 

[geoffjennings79]

What seats do you see the Libs regaining to get back into government?

If Dickson is targeted by either Greens or Climate 200 again, it could well be in play.

So any regains could be at a cost.

 

[geoffjennings79]

It’s a moot point anyway the upcoming election wont be about Nuclear power , it will be about cost of living and with a forecast of two more rate rises before Christmas Albo is good as gone.

My tip at this stage is a minority ALP govt. Lot to play out obviously, but I can't see Dutton successfully selling himself to a majority of Australians as alternative PM.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Vic Big build project has not been 24/7 365 days a year without disruptions to services or accessibility.

Flinders St and Franklin St have had restricted access for years while Metro 2 is being built. Buses have replaced trains while level crossing removal occurs for extended periods. Road closures are required to complete projects that as much as possible engineers schedule for weekends and school holidays.

When would be a good time to temporarily shut down a coal fired power plant where there is a conflict and for how long is it acceptable to take it off-line and restrict electricity usage?

Are you suggesting there is surplus power in the system that one of these plants without causing disruption?

The sites in question are already retired or being retired so this notion that we would be building a nuclear power station in parallel to a live coal station is moot anyway.

 

[nut]

Huh?

What part of “It’s all private investment “ are you having difficulty with?

It’s a bit like taxpayers paying 500million to subsidies Chevron to clean up Barrow island…

Taxpayers on the hook for $500m to clean up Chevron oil field and that is just the start

Chevron and its partners ExxonMobil and Santos have shipped 335 million barrels of oil and paid about $1 billion in royalties to the Federal and WA governments. The governments will soon have to pay half of it back.

amp.smh.com.au

 

[nut]

The sites in question are already retired or being retired so this notion that we would be building a nuclear power station in parallel to a live coal station is moot anyway.

Well Port Augusta has already exhausted the grid with renewables … so you can cross that site off.

Port Augusta Renewable Energy Park - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[MPMonkeys]

What part of “It’s all private investment “ are you having difficulty with?

It’s a bit like taxpayers paying 500million to subsidies Chevron to clean up Barrow island…

Taxpayers on the hook for $500m to clean up Chevron oil field and that is just the start

Chevron and its partners ExxonMobil and Santos have shipped 335 million barrels of oil and paid about $1 billion in royalties to the Federal and WA governments. The governments will soon have to pay half of it back.

amp.smh.com.au

What exactly is your point?

 

[QuietB]

It’s a moot point anyway the upcoming election wont be about Nuclear power , it will be about cost of living and with a forecast of two more rate rises before Christmas Albo is good as gone.

Might be better off gone. Economy is already on life support.

Two rates rises and the Australian economy will collapse.

 

[QuietB]

The sites in question are already retired or being retired so this notion that we would be building a nuclear power station in parallel to a live coal station is moot anyway.

No they are not. Loy Yang is operating and critical infrastructure that cannot be shut down until there is a replacement which in Dutton’s lalaland is nuclear.

This is one of the many reasons that nuclear does not work.

 

[nut]

What exactly is your point?

FFS stop trolling.

Renewables are being built from private investments being backed by government revenue guarantees … subsidies… just like we are currently subsidising fossil fuels 57billion a year.

The nuclear plan, if you can call it a plan, is going to be funded 100% from tax payers… and tax payers are going to have to continue to subsidies the running cost, waste disposal etc….