What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

[kalex6251]

think its way past time labor release the attack dogs on lurchs au pair scandal

if mates favours are now a concern for self righteous conservatives then ........................

 

[Not Important]

 

[Xtreme]

Dutton wouldn't let his son use the Qantas Frequent Flyer Lounge!

 

[nut]

Dutton wouldn't let his son use the Qantas Frequent Flyer Lounge!

Im not sure they would let him in?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Dutton wouldn't let his son use the Qantas Frequent Flyer Lounge!

Like his dad, would get private jets funded by Gina

 

[Gavin Excell]

think its way past time labor release the attack dogs on lurchs au pair scandal

if mates favours are now a concern for self righteous conservatives then ........................

But doesn't have a News Corp base to propel any attacks

 

[Xtreme]

Like his dad, would get private jets funded by Gina

The best way to travel Gina airways <3

 

[Rotayjay]

The utter hypocrisy of the party of small government, privatisation and the free market wanting to build expensive taxpayer-funded power stations that the private sector won't fund because it's such a dud idea. They must have a lot of mates in the uranium industry.

 

[nut]

The utter hypocrisy of the party of small government, privatisation and the free market wanting to build expensive taxpayer-funded power stations that the private sector won't fund because it's such a dud idea. They must have a lot of mates in the uranium industry.

And that’s the question that no one in the corporate media bothers to ask the LNP….

If Nuclear was so attractive and cost effective why aren’t private investors lining up? Why does it need to be the tax payer taking the risk?

 

[Power Raid]

In a world first mass production doesn’t bring price down …. Wow your insight is invaluable.

of course scale lowers cost but the subsidies has resulted in a 3 times lower cost of production on automated processes (thus not a labour cost difference) of many commodities including silane compared to the EU and others.

thus you are confusing subsidies with scale efficiencies, as scale does not provide these reductions

Do you think china doesnt understand that in order to help save the planet that there is a cost involved?

there is a jobs, training and innovation base to the subsidies but it is also about controlling key industries related to war and controlling energy security

if they were focused on the environment why do they dump HF in agricultural fields (for solar) and acid run off for rare earths and put uyghurs into work camps (solar industry) leading to their deaths? Is this just a cost for the "greater good"?

They have the capability to produce 10’s of millions of EVs per year… these EVs are having a massive effect on pollution in it’s cities…New York now has more pollution than most Chinese cities… China decided not to wait for the rest of the world and the legacy car makers to make EVs.

Australia is going to benefit massively from China if we don’t go bat sh!t crazy and put tariffs on EVs and Batteries like North America and Europe.

1 million EVs connected to the grid via V2G will almost single Handley solve your storage issues…

Exciting times

EVs and other technologies such as Green Hydrogen (but not electrolysis) are the future. Driving a Nio and eliminating recharge times is the future.

It is very exciting.

Nio in my opinion will kill Merc, BMW etc as unlike BYD and tesla, they are quality and have the right "recharging model"




oh and of course we should use policy for Chinese manufacturers to decentralise and manufacture in the EU, US, Africa and Oz. No one country be it Fiji, US or China should control the world by industry.

 

[Power Raid]

Huh?

So now that I’ve supplied you with examples of Jurisdiction ….. you’ve jumped to the cost …. Do you think the transition from fossil fuels to renewables should bare no costs?

Renewables in Australia is bringing the wholesale price down…. Blame the retailers for not passing this cost on.
At the moment most retailers are giving sign on bonuses to avoid bringing prices down.

but you haven't provided a clean jurisdiction. California and texas are dirty on a kwh basis. You presented hydpe not facts on a kwh basis. Please try again.

further based on your own article the cost figures presented were bullshit and the jurisdiction california is 70+% more expensive than the US average.

what is the lie between figures and facts on the cost of renewables? the lie is quoting the cost of production vs the cost of reliable supply.

 

[Power Raid]

And that’s the question that no one in the corporate media bothers to ask the LNP….

If Nuclear was so attractive and cost effective why aren’t private investors lining up? Why does it need to be the tax payer taking the risk?

in Australia? because the mandate on nuclear power has not been lifted

remove the restriction and watch what happens

 

[Gough]

So we have to wait for the ban on nuclear to be lifted then wait around and spend a fortune to develop a technology which doesn't really exist yet, all while renewables are getting cheaper and cheaper. That sounds like a terrible idea to me.

 

[Power Raid]

Is it? What is it for coal? Gas?

Is it?

nuclear 5g/kwh
wind and solar 13 and 30g/kwh but deliver 200-500g/kwh if not firmed by hydro or nuclear
gas - theoretical 250g/kwh but closer to 500g/kwh including losses and transportation
coal - theoretical 500g/kwh but closer to 800-900g/kwh in reality

the reliance of carbon based power technologies to firm renewables is their current downfall. Batteries won't be a long term solution as they are PFAS (forever chemicals - cancer, diabetes and foetal mortality) and the cost is prohibitive other than grid stability. Green Hydrogen (from electrolysis) won't work either due to PFAS, ammonia (destroys marine life) and doesn't work with Green Energy. Green Hydrogen from non-electrolysis is an opportunity.

Obviously I take the position MMR and SMR nuclear as the most likely pathway to firming renewables. why? the problem of a clean energy future goes beyond electrons. We need heat more than electrons which is something nuclear provides that renewables can't (other than by an extra step).

I'm pro a clean future but I also suggest we should look at the facts rather than a clever narrative that doesn't reflect the realities. For me this means looking at what jurisdictions have achieved clean energy and then assessing what actually works vs what a politician says.

 

[Power Raid]

So we have to wait for the ban on nuclear to be lifted then wait around and spend a fortune to develop a technology which doesn't really exist yet, all while renewables are getting cheaper and cheaper. That sounds like a terrible idea to me.

remove the ban and adopt an approvals process from Canada
Do not spend a cent but rather allow hydundai etc to write the $50M cheque (that's a tiny amount)
but yes, I do recommend waiting until 2028 for the MMR rather than a Gen 3.5 but again let the market decide

after all it is a climate emergency and we should adopt technologies that work vs what a politician spins

 

[nut]

Batteries won't be a long term solution

You are so full of it…

In Australia, along with the current hydro capacity and Snowy 2 coming , batteries are the solution.
Battery technologies are improving at record rates and up to 94% recyclable.

Western Australia one of the biggest isolated grids in the world are basically going all in on Battery … you are about 2 years behind. Catch up.

Major milestone for Kwinana big battery with systems in place | Western Australian Government

The Cook Government has reached a significant milestone in its plan for cleaner, reliable and affordable energy for Western Australia's future, with the battery systems in place at the Kwinana Battery Stage Two.

www.wa.gov.au

 

[blueboy25]

can throw in religion as well ....... the number faith-based pollies sitting across all 3 tiers of govt is grossly disproportionate to religions standing in the australian community ........ by a looooooooong way

and only getting worse

 

[nut]

Dutton’s nuclear plan is so in significant it’s like putting a shot of vodka into a punch bowl and expecting a party full of people getting blind…

Meanwhile the media ignores reporting on what is actually happening …. Our media is a disgrace.

Imagine thinking batteries aren’t viable … how dumb could you be. Seriously it’s beyond stupid….

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[QuietB]

Take a step forward….

Battery storage is the game changer.
Adelaide right here in Australia is proof of that.
Battery storage costs have been dropping by an average of 13% a year….
And when we have 1million EVs with vehicle to grid connections the need for peak back up generation will be gone.

And when Snowy 2 is online the eastern grid will be secure.
Gas turbines can be used in emergency.
Ther is no need for overpriced Nuclear.

EV bidirectional charging explains why Morrison and the Liberals were so anti electric cars - they will do anything to protect gas and to a lessor extent coal.

 

[Power Raid]

Dutton’s nuclear plan is so in significant it’s like putting a shot of vodka into a punch bowl and expecting a party full of people getting blind…

Meanwhile the media ignores reporting on what is actually happening …. Our media is a disgrace.

Imagine thinking batteries aren’t viable … how dumb could you be. Seriously it’s beyond stupid….

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You do know this supports my position rather than attacking it?

 

[nut]

You do know this supports my position rather than attacking it?

I do know you don’t understand that firm renewables includes storage …
The cost of storage is factored in.