What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

[Power Raid]

Battery equivalent of 20 nuclear reactors in 4 years in the USA. In the infancy period of large scale Batteries.
Remember the first ever battery, the South Australian big battery, was installed only 6 years ago.

 

[nut]

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Hourly data?

 

[QuietB]

If only deflections like this, worked for engineers and reality

Can you kindly provide your thoughts on the cost of energy per kWh from a battery?

Falling.

As opposed to the cost of nuclear = rising

From your own link please refer how dodgy the report you referenced was and….,,,


This means Australians are set to pay $72.8 billion for pumped hydro and transmission that don’t produce any electricity and are simply there to firm intermittent wind and solar energy.

Taking at face value GenCost’s capital cost estimate of $8.7 billion to build a 1GW reactor, $72.8 billion is enough to buy eight large-scale nuclear reactors.

This $72.8 billion figure doesn’t even include the wind turbines and solar panels themselves, or the long list of battery projects currently underway, or the future transmission and storage projects that a renewables-dominated grid will need by 2050.

How many reactors could we afford if we added in just one more chunk of these significant costs?

A recent Centre for Independent Studies paper, The six fundamental flaws underpinning the energy transition, calculated the cost at today’s prices of all the consumer batteries we’d need to support the grid by 2050 according to AEMO’s Integrated System Plan, using GenCost’s capital cost estimates.

The total comes to $229 billion.

Adding the cost of these consumer batteries to the transmission and pumped hydro costs gives you an eye-watering $301.8 billion. That means the amount Australians are set to spend on firming infrastructure in the next few decades is enough to buy 35 1GW reactors.

One large scale nuclear plant costs over $100B AUD.

Hourly data?

At 1 in the morning

 

[Captivating]

Hourly data?

At 1 in the morning

Isn't the post showing that batteries are failing to provide electricity. At 1 am, California is reliant on gas and then nuclear. The batteries, which should be providing some electricity are actually storing gas generated power .

 

[Power Raid]

Falling.

could you kindly put a dollar figure per kwh for a battery? dealing with facts is important

One large scale nuclear plant costs over $100B AUD.

interesting number for a large scale reactor. can you provide an example of this?

further I advocate we wait for MMR and SMRs as we need smaller systems for a variety of reasons

At 1 in the morning

yes of course I provided 1 in the morning as that is when batteries should be delivering energy (when the sun isn't up)

but did we see the batteries releasing energy or did we see them being recharged by gas?

yes yes I know they will get better and yes there will be more and yes yes they will get cheaper.

My position though is let's wait 4 years and decide if we follow a dirty jurisdiction example like california or texas. Or do we follow a clean example like tassie, norway, sweden, finalnd, nz, ontario and much of south america.

 

[Power Raid]

Hourly data?

Nut take off the I like batteries, nuclear, gas, coal hat for a moment and consider what a goal per kwh hour should be, the timeline to achieve it, the cost etc. Set benchmarks and then look around the world for the energy mix solutions that deliver it.

Imagine celebrating Germany at 400g/kwh after 34 years and USD$1.5 trillion?

Imagine saying batteries are the clear winner when we can see in your example of california, they are recharging with gas power when their 26GW of batteries (the same as 20 nuclear reactors apparently according to your link) couldn't see them through the night.

posting crazy links:

• comparing an energy storage system to a power generation system is only misleading yourself
• posting links that you clearly haven't read, as they debunk your position, like the CIS link
• posting links like "california" is clean when you look at the figures is 200g per kwh

If you love batteries like a football team, that's fine, just say that. but debate with facts.

Isn't the post showing that batteries are failing to provide electricity. At 1 am, California is reliant on gas and then nuclear. The batteries, which should be providing some electricity are actually storing gas generated power .

thank you captivating. that's exactly what I hoped people would see.

 

[nut]

Nut take off the I like batteries, nuclear, gas, coal hat for a moment and consider what a goal per kwh hour should be, the timeline to achieve it, the cost etc. Set benchmarks and then look around the world for the energy mix solutions that deliver it.

Imagine celebrating Germany at 400g/kwh after 34 years and USD$1.5 trillion?

Imagine saying batteries are the clear winner when we can see in your example of california, they are recharging with gas power when their 26GW of batteries (the same as 20 nuclear reactors apparently according to your link) couldn't see them through the night.

posting crazy links:

• comparing an energy storage system to a power generation system is only misleading yourself
• posting links that you clearly haven't read, as they debunk your position, like the CIS link
• posting links like "california" is clean when you look at the figures is 200g per kwh

If you love batteries like a football team, that's fine, just say that. but debate with facts.




thank you captivating. that's exactly what I hoped people would see.

No your stupid example only showed how the energy market works. The batteries were charging at cheap off peak to use in the morning peak, which reduce prices in the morning.

Large scale batteries are only 4 years old in the US…. They will be doubling their capacity in the next 12 months.
The majority of power usage is at peak times… this is where batteries are having the greatest impact, not at 1am in the morning. The fact you can’t understand that is not surprising.

 

[Captivating]

No your stupid example only showed how the energy market works. The batteries were charging at cheap off peak to use in the morning peak, which reduce prices in the morning.

Large scale batteries are only 4 years old in the US…. They will be doubling their capacity in the next 12 months.
The majority of power usage is at peak times… this is where batteries are having the greatest impact, not at 1am in the morning. The fact you can’t understand that is not surprising.

So batteries aren't green at all then? I thought the whole sell was they use renewables to charge and then release that green energy when there isn't enough renewables.

So, how are these batteries going to get energy when you cut off gas electricity?

 

[Seeds]

So batteries aren't green at all then? I thought the whole sell was they use renewables to charge and then release that green energy when there isn't enough renewables.

So, how are these batteries going to get energy when you cut off gas electricity?

Batteries will use renewable energy instead of gas. Just like everything else.

 

[nut]

So batteries aren't green at all then? I thought the whole sell was they use renewables to charge and then release that green energy when there isn't enough renewables.

So, how are these batteries going to get energy when you cut off gas electricity?

They are doubling their capacity in the next 12 months… what part of that don’t you understand?

 

[nut]

For those that are too thick to understand.
You build 300% renewable generation.. and 100% battery capacity.

I'll use my home for example…
15kw of solar.
I have way more solar than I will ever use. But I need that solar on poor days and in winter.

19.2KWH battery this is enough capacity to heat my home at night every winter day.

There has only been 3 days since march when my system was installed that I’ve needed to draw from the grid.

The national grid won’t only have solar like me…
It’ll have wind … it’ll have hydro, it’ll have pumped hydro (massive battery reserve).

Australia has almost enough generation of renewables now for 90% of the time…
We just need more battery capacity…

Back to my solar … I am, like millions of other roof top solar owners, export limited because of the grid… Batteries can absorb this excess solar…. And when we have 1million EVs connected to vehicle to grid it’ll be all over for fossil fuels.

 

[QuietB]

could you kindly put a dollar figure per kwh for a battery? dealing with facts is important

No

interesting number for a large scale reactor. can you provide an example of this?

yes of course I provided 1 in the morning as that is when batteries should be delivering energy (when the sun isn't up)

but did we see the batteries releasing energy or did we see them being recharged by gas?

yes yes I know they will get better and yes there will be more and yes yes they will get cheaper.

My position though is let's wait 4 years and decide if we follow a dirty jurisdiction example like california or texas. Or do we follow a clean example like tassie, norway, sweden, finalnd, nz, ontario and much of south america.

We are at the start - not the end