What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

[Chief]

Workchoices was one of the worst policies ever implemented by an Australian government, and it killed the Howard government along with the 'it's time' factor. But Howard definitely had balls to implement it. He gambled on the GST and won. He gambled on sweeping IR reform and lost.

Dutton either won't do any major reform if he gets in, or would do something stupid and I fear what that might be.

No doubt he will continue the phoney culture wars while siphoning money off to mates like Gina.

 

[Gavin Excell]

This arsehat is actually going to be PM lmao.

Betting market suggests this now

 

[peetoo]

Workchoices was one of the worst policies ever implemented by an Australian government, and it killed the Howard government along with the 'it's time' factor. But Howard definitely had balls to implement it. He gambled on the GST and won. He gambled on sweeping IR reform and lost.

Dutton either won't do any major reform if he gets in, or would do something stupid and I fear what that might be.

Howard gave a massive free kick to private health without getting any reforms in return. There you have it, an unaccountable industry

 

[QuietB]

I mentioned a number of other initiatives. The GST wasn't selling assets. Changes to gun laws weren't selling assets. Workplace relations reforms weren't selling assets.

You didn't like the initiatives, and that's fine. But they were numerous, especially compared to the pace of recent governments.

Howard was PM for 11 years and you have named three things,

• GST - good reform
• Guns - reactionary reform but probably the best thing he ever did
• Workchoices - ideological tripe

Hawks/Keating reforms include floating of the dollar, deregulation of the financial sector, dismantling of the tariff system, universal health care, superannuation - these are massive reforms.

It is interesting to consider that Workchoices - easily the least meritorious of the list - is about the only policy that would actually be politically acceptable today.

 

[QuietB]

Workchoices was one of the worst policies ever implemented by an Australian government, and it killed the Howard government along with the 'it's time' factor. But Howard definitely had balls to implement it. He gambled on the GST and won. He gambled on sweeping IR reform and lost.

Dutton either won't do any major reform if he gets in, or would do something stupid and I fear what that might be.

If the Morrison years are anything to go by the Liberals will just act like complete campaigners and do everything in their power to keep it away from the courts.

The Liberals do not introduce legislation because their ideology is so extreme it can get through parliament.

Instead they just implement the programs anyway and hide behind their media partners.

 

[The Punter]

Howard was PM for 11 years and you have named three things,

• GST - good reform
• Guns - reactionary reform but probably the best thing he ever did
• Workchoices - ideological tripe

Hawks/Keating reforms include floating of the dollar, deregulation of the financial sector, dismantling of the tariff system, universal health care, superannuation - these are massive reforms.

It is interesting to consider that Workchoices - easily the least meritorious of the list - is about the only policy that would actually be politically acceptable today.

I mentioned five in my original post on the subject, and hadn't mentioned private health insurance.

1983-87 Hawke/Keating were incredibly industrious and effective
Post 1987 they were less so and the initiatives did not work generally
1996-2001 Howard was a busy government (but not as industrious as 83-87 Hawke/Keating)

Since 2001 we've had less and less busy governments IMO. Both parties did reform last century. Neither do now. This is my thesis on this subject.

 

[blueboy25]

Just a couple of minor earthquakes near collie overnight.......lucky Spud hasn't got it earmarked for a nuclear site.

 

[QuietB]

This arsehat is actually going to be PM lmao.

No he is not. One interest rate fall and he is dead in the water. And even without the interest rate fall we still have the mother of all scare campaigns to play out over nuclear.

And Dutton has the charisma of a milking cow.

Everyone chose Scott Morrison over Peter Dutton - that is how bad he is.

 

[RedStarUncle]

No he is not. One interest rate fall and he is dead in the water. And even without the interest rate fall we still have the mother of all scare campaigns to play out over nuclear.

And Dutton has the charisma of a milking cow.

Everyone chose Scott Morrison over Peter Dutton - that is how bad he is.

Surely the political parties are working out by now that no-one cares about the other guy when they decide whether they want to throw you out of office or not.

The days of oppositions being better than incumbents are over... we're in the days of throwing as much mud as possible at governments and hoping enough sticks.




The only way Dutton doesn't end up PM is if Albo does something to clean up all the mud that's currently sticking.

 

[QuietB]

Surely the political parties are working out by now that no-one cares about the other guy when they decide whether they want to throw you out of office or not.

The days of oppositions being better than incumbents are over... we're in the days of throwing as much mud as possible at governments and hoping enough sticks.




The only way Dutton doesn't end up PM is if Albo does something to clean up all the mud that's currently sticking.

There is a bit of water to go under the bridge yet. Trump is about to wipe Palestine off the map, wipe Ukraine off the map, put the military on the streets and Musk is about to sack half the public servants in the USA.

Everyone in Australia will cheer on mass deportation of immigrants because we are racist campaigners but I'm not convinced the doctors wives will love the other stuff.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I mentioned five in my original post on the subject, and hadn't mentioned private health insurance.

1983-87 Hawke/Keating were incredibly industrious and effective
Post 1987 they were less so and the initiatives did not work generally
1996-2001 Howard was a busy government (but not as industrious as 83-87 Hawke/Keating)

Since 2001 we've had less and less busy governments IMO. Both parties did reform last century. Neither do now. This is my thesis on this subject.

Is the NDIS considered a reform

 

[The Punter]

Is the NDIS considered a reform

Absolutely. Do we agree that reform was Gillard's? I mentioned in one of my earlier posts that her record on reform was impressive given her parliamentary circumstances.

 

[Saint]

There is a bit of water to go under the bridge yet. Trump is about to wipe Palestine off the map, wipe Ukraine off the map, put the military on the streets and Musk is about to sack half the public servants in the USA.

Everyone in Australia will cheer on mass deportation of immigrants because we are racist campaigners but I'm not convinced the doctors wives will love the other stuff.

Nobody cares about that when their disposable income is down 10% on average, across the board. And most of this is in the bottom 80%, where it's more like 15-20%, and the top 20% are up ~50%.

Clearly not enough people care about genocide or Ukraine or public servants in the USA.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Dutton go to the next election with tax cuts for the lower and middle classes and win in a landslide. The middle and lower class are that fed up with the ALP.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

The days of oppositions being better than incumbents are over... we're in the days of throwing as much mud as possible at governments and hoping enough sticks.

Only parties left of the most right mainstream party/coalition have to be better than the incumbent.

See: Labor (AUS), Labour (UK) Labour (NZ) and Democrats (US)

Massive double standard by the voters.

Liberal/Coalition (VIC) are the exception that proves the rule.

 

[RedStarUncle]

Only parties left of the most right mainstream party/coalition have to be better than the incumbent.

See: Labor (AUS), Labour (UK) Labour (NZ) and Democrats (US)

Massive double standard by the voters.

Liberal/Coalition (VIC) are the exception that proves the rule.

Tories thrown out in the most recent UK election despite no-one knowing anything about Kier Starmer.

Trump thrown out in 2020 despite Biden not actually being very inspiring or popular.

Recent NSW state election I don't think Labor went in with much other than "at least we're not that mess on the other side".




I think it goes both ways in the current state of politics. If I was being biased and unfair, I'd add that mudslinging without any substantive alternative just naturally favours the political Right more.

 

[Not Important]

spud being spud.

 

[QuietB]

It is a massive own goal by Dutton to forget how easy it is to talk Australians out of pretty much anything new or different or mildly scary.

 

[Rotayjay]

Nobody cares about that when their disposable income is down 10% on average, across the board. And most of this is in the bottom 80%, where it's more like 15-20%, and the top 20% are up ~50%.

Clearly not enough people care about genocide or Ukraine or public servants in the USA.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Dutton go to the next election with tax cuts for the lower and middle classes and win in a landslide. The middle and lower class are that fed up with the ALP.

If Dutton proposes tax cuts, Albo will need to match them - the budget be damned - or he will hand victory to Dutton.

 

[peetoo]

Already causing mischief on the social media kids ban

Says the govt is dragging its feet, but all but promised to drag out the process in parliament

 

[Saint]

Already causing mischief on the social media kids ban

Says the govt is dragging its feet, but all but promised to drag out the process in parliament

Remember when the LNP told the ALP they were on board with the Voice on principle, then reneged on the whole thing? Who looked stupid?

Same playbook, ALP walking straight into it again like Wile E Coyote.

 

[Xtreme]

Remember when the LNP told the ALP they were on board with the Voice on principle, then reneged on the whole thing? Who looked stupid?

Same playbook, ALP walking straight into it again like Wile E Coyote.

Albo on election night
.........................

 

[Not Important]

not so sure this is so, cookers are growing in numbers.

Peter FitzSimons (@peterfitz1.bsky.social)

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-can-t-win-by-aping-trump-and-he-knows-it-20241117-p5kr80.html

bsky.app

 

[Kram]

It's probably worth Dutton winning purely for comedic value.

Whilst I'd still prefer Labor both major parties are pretty homogeneous these days anyway.

 

[QuietB]

It's probably worth Dutton winning purely for comedic value.

Whilst I'd still prefer Labor both major parties are pretty homogeneous these days anyway.

And neither are running the show.

I actually think Trump is a win for the left - of which none of the Labor, Labour (UK) or the democrats are members of.

The Trump election result is the first major revolt against the oligarchy. Being America, whilst they have finally recognised the problem, they just cannot bring themselves to accept the solution.