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Tip: Try googling the policy positions of individual Teal MPs and candidates rather than posing loaded rhetorical questions on a footy forum and you might find your claims of a lack of policy breadth to be far from the truth. They stand as independents with a wide and sometimes varying range of policy positions and not just those on climate change.Again, this is viewing absolutely everything through the lens of climate change. There are other aspects to economics in governance than that. What is the stance of Climate 200 candidates on tax cuts for top earners? Or a wealth tax? Or an inheritance tax? What is their stance on raising welfare above poverty levels?
This seems unnecessarily hostile. They weren't loaded or rhetorical. I'm sorry you've chosen to see it as such.Tip: Try googling the policy positions of individual Teal MPs and candidates rather than posing loaded rhetorical questions on a footy forum
I didn't claim that. I claimed you specifically were focusing everything through the lens of climate change.and you might find your claims of a lack of policy breadth to be far from the truth.
Wrong again. You misunderstand what Climate 200 is about. It's not a political party. It's a non for profit organisation that provides funding to independent candidates prepared to support their principles, of which climate change is the most prominent but others such as transparency and honesty in policy positioning and gender equality are others.I claimed you specifically were focusing everything through the lens of climate change.
This is a bit confusing, you first say I'm wrong and then write a paragraph about something which isn't about what I was raising. Again, I said you were focusing on economic matters through the lens of climate change.Wrong again. You misunderstand what Climate 200 is about. It's not a political party. It's a non for profit organisation that provides funding to independent candidates prepared to support their principles, of which climate change is the most prominent but others such as transparency and honesty in policy positioning and gender equality are others.
In other words, they don't have a unified stance on anything outside of climate change, transparency, gender equality etc. Which is fine, but it doesn't say anything for their ability to address the material concerns of Australians in electorates that aren't as well off as Warringah, Goldstein and the ACT.The funded candidates themselves, are free to have a wide range of other policies on matters that they think are important to the country and will resonate with the electorates for which they stand. The difference is they make their policy agenda/position and principles clear to their individual electorates and seek input from their electorate.
Okay.My comment to which you responded was about that model and how it is likely to be used for future political campaigns for independent candidates.
I'm afraid I don't.Youy specifically stated that you wanted to hear 'what gives people confidence that the Teals have more of an interest in solving the problems than the Liberals do.'
I hope you understand my reasoning now. IMHO the difference in focus and approach between Climate 200 and the individual teal candidates they fund and that taken by both the Coalition and ALP is enormous.
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This election will be a landslide of votes towards sound fiscal policy. People don’t give a **** about climate change, gender equality etc when they can’t afford a roof over their head.
Sound fiscal policy? The Liberals have us 9 years of deficits, Labor have given us 2 years of surplus.
Afford a roof over their head? Let’s see how “super for houses” boosts prices
This election will be a landslide of votes towards sound fiscal policy. People don’t give a **** about climate change, gender equality etc when they can’t afford a roof over their head.
It may end up being enough to win with Murdoch cheerleadingThe last LNP govt, of which Dutton was a major player, is just a long list of fails
Oh but he’s softening his persona? It’s still fails
Wikipedia. It’s quicker to count the couple of successes than fails.
Big on racist xenophobic anti progressive rhetoric.
Light on actually doing his job
This is such a cartoonish take on the suburban demographic that its obvious you have never mixed in those circles.Mate I've lived in different parts of Melbourne so I've been out an about and I know exactly what the outer East for example think in regards to the Labor Party so any excuse to not vote for them they will. As illinformed and as uneducated as you can get. All they care about is getting pissed on weekends, Sport and Cars. Cut and paste the South East. I'll reiterate what I said, if they think Dutton is the better choice we are in real strife as a nation.
This is such a cartoonish take on the suburban demographic that its obvious you have never mixed in those circles.
And if Labor think these are the typical voters they need to win over, then they are in even worse trouble than anyone could imagine.
Oh, that's easy! It's an anagram. Tesla!I'd like to hear what gives people confidence that the Teals have more of an interest in solving the problems than the Liberals do.
Well that's not a ringing endorsement of Labor for the next election but it's an absolute damning of the Coalition.This election will be a landslide of votes towards sound fiscal policy. People don’t give a **** about climate change, gender equality etc when they can’t afford a roof over their head.
Arguments about which party is more in touch/out of touch with the voters never go anywhere.This is such a cartoonish take on the suburban demographic that its obvious you have never mixed in those circles.
And if Labor think these are the typical voters they need to win over, then they are in even worse trouble than anyone could imagine.
Labor is losing said demographic though.And if Labor think these are the typical voters they need to win over, then they are in even worse trouble than anyone could imagine.
Which would be ironic given that the current focus on the 'cost of living crisis' and the reluctance of the Reserve Bank Board to reduce the cash rate is a matter relating to monetary policy, which is often at odds with the government's fiscal policy objectives.This election will be a landslide of votes towards sound fiscal policy.
People don’t give a **** about climate change, gender equality etc when they can’t afford a roof over their head.
Excellent post mate.Which would be ironic given that the current focus on the 'cost of living crisis' and the reluctance of the Reserve Bank Board to reduce the cash rate is a matter relating to monetary policy, which is often at odds with the government's fiscal policy objectives.
Which sort of proves the point that most of the voting public in Australia have no idea what 'sound fiscal policy' looks like, let alone willing to accept the fact that sustainable policy change takes years and decades to achieve. And they sure as heck won't get an education on those matters from the mainstream media, let alone social media platforms.
As the failed Shorten election campaigns of 2016 and 2019 showed, any attempt at a comprehensive redirecting of Federal policy, to improve equity and fairness for the average Australian will only be subject to a massive scare campaign from the Murdoch press who still control a large chunk of news reporting in Australia via their print and online outlets.
'Sound Fiscal Policy' would involve a concerted effort to address the housing affordability crisis - which started in earnest
around the year 2000 when the relationship between the cost of housing and both average incomes and the rest of the economy has altered everything about the way Australia operates and Australians live. But the policies to change that necessarily involve changes to tax concessions and rebates for home investors. What chance having THAT as a basis of your election/re-election strategy getting accepted by the media and the masses?
The two things are not mutually exclusive of course. Caring about the future liveability of our planet and taking action to protect the rights and improve the living conditions of all individuals regardless of gender, race and ethnicity is all a part of 'sound fiscal policy'.
The fact is that the front pages of a large chunk of our mass media is all about being 'anti-woke and culture wars - it's front and centre of the Dutton election strategy in case you haven't noticed.
No one on the conservative side of politics and their media backers are talking about anything else - certainly not 'good fiscal policy'. Case in point:
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As Alan Kohler reminds us, land and energy are the two basic economic inputs apart from labour, but while Australia has more of both than just about any other country, we export most of the energy and price our own at global parity, so there’s no home-grown advantage there, and we crowd into a few cities and pay each other seven to eight times our salaries for land.
And high-priced houses do not create wealth; they redistribute it.
'Sound Fiscal Policy' would be centred on fixing these basic things. Show me who is talking about it in mainstream media?
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Oh, that's easy! It's an anagram. Tesla!
This and most of the things the coalition are using against the govt pre dated the current govt.Which would be ironic given that the current focus on the 'cost of living crisis' and the reluctance of the Reserve Bank Board to reduce the cash rate is a matter relating to monetary policy, which is often at odds with the government's fiscal policy objectives.
Which sort of proves the point that most of the voting public in Australia have no idea what 'sound fiscal policy' looks like, let alone willing to accept the fact that sustainable policy change takes years and decades to achieve. And they sure as heck won't get an education on those matters from the mainstream media, let alone social media platforms.
As the failed Shorten election campaigns of 2016 and 2019 showed, any attempt at a comprehensive redirecting of Federal policy, to improve equity and fairness for the average Australian will only be subject to a massive scare campaign from the Murdoch press who still control a large chunk of news reporting in Australia via their print and online outlets.
'Sound Fiscal Policy' would involve a concerted effort to address the housing affordability crisis - which started in earnest
around the year 2000 when the relationship between the cost of housing and both average incomes and the rest of the economy has altered everything about the way Australia operates and Australians live. But the policies to change that necessarily involve changes to tax concessions and rebates for home investors. What chance having THAT as a basis of your election/re-election strategy getting accepted by the media and the masses?
The two things are not mutually exclusive of course. Caring about the future liveability of our planet and taking action to protect the rights and improve the living conditions of all individuals regardless of gender, race and ethnicity is all a part of 'sound fiscal policy'.
The fact is that the front pages of a large chunk of our mass media is all about being 'anti-woke and culture wars - it's front and centre of the Dutton election strategy in case you haven't noticed.
No one on the conservative side of politics and their media backers are talking about anything else - certainly not 'good fiscal policy'. Case in point:
View attachment 2198423
As Alan Kohler reminds us, land and energy are the two basic economic inputs apart from labour, but while Australia has more of both than just about any other country, we export most of the energy and price our own at global parity, so there’s no home-grown advantage there, and we crowd into a few cities and pay each other seven to eight times our salaries for land.
And high-priced houses do not create wealth; they redistribute it.
'Sound Fiscal Policy' would be centred on fixing these basic things. Show me who is talking about it in mainstream media?
'
And the most infuriating thing is politicians just don't understand the huge amount of respect they'd earn if they'd just offer a heartfelt apology when shown to be wrong.This and most of the things the coalition are using against the govt pre dated the current govt.
Not one word of contrition for their part in all this.
Voters taken for fools
Stop with your denial mate, I lived in those demographics for over 20 years and mixed with all types of personalities, just because your recollections are different or in this case not accurate doesn't mean that what I'm saying isn't the truth. It is. I haven't met anyone who lives in those pockets that isn't a dyed in the wool conservative and I've been associated with and been in the same circles as quite alot. It's part of the reason I shifted across town because I couldn't deal with the complete denialism and stupidity of their views. Nothing has changed since I left, I still get the same ramblings on social media from said type of people who I use for a good laugh these days. You don't actually know my history so to say that you do shows ignorance on your behalf.This is such a cartoonish take on the suburban demographic that its obvious you have never mixed in those circles.
And if Labor think these are the typical voters they need to win over, then they are in even worse trouble than anyone could imagine.
The West Australian has an op ed from Angus Taylor about how Labor is sending us broke. No mention of the debt or deficits during their decade in charge, of course.This and most of the things the coalition are using against the govt pre dated the current govt.
Not one word of contrition for their part in all this.
Voters taken for fools
Being a Lib Means Never Having To Say You're Sorry.The West Australian has an op ed from Angus Taylor about how Labor is sending us broke. No mention of the debt or deficits during their decade in charge, of course.
The West Australian has an op ed from Angus Taylor about how Labor is sending us broke. No mention of the debt or deficits during their decade in charge, of course.
Which would be ironic given that the current focus on the 'cost of living crisis' and the reluctance of the Reserve Bank Board to reduce the cash rate is a matter relating to monetary policy, which is often at odds with the government's fiscal policy objectives.
Which sort of proves the point that most of the voting public in Australia have no idea what 'sound fiscal policy' looks like, let alone willing to accept the fact that sustainable policy change takes years and decades to achieve. And they sure as heck won't get an education on those matters from the mainstream media, let alone social media platforms.
As the failed Shorten election campaigns of 2016 and 2019 showed, any attempt at a comprehensive redirecting of Federal policy, to improve equity and fairness for the average Australian will only be subject to a massive scare campaign from the Murdoch press who still control a large chunk of news reporting in Australia via their print and online outlets.
'Sound Fiscal Policy' would involve a concerted effort to address the housing affordability crisis - which started in earnest
around the year 2000 when the relationship between the cost of housing and both average incomes and the rest of the economy has altered everything about the way Australia operates and Australians live. But the policies to change that necessarily involve changes to tax concessions and rebates for home investors. What chance having THAT as a basis of your election/re-election strategy getting accepted by the media and the masses?
The two things are not mutually exclusive of course. Caring about the future liveability of our planet and taking action to protect the rights and improve the living conditions of all individuals regardless of gender, race and ethnicity is all a part of 'sound fiscal policy'.
The fact is that the front pages of a large chunk of our mass media is all about being 'anti-woke and culture wars - it's front and centre of the Dutton election strategy in case you haven't noticed.
No one on the conservative side of politics and their media backers are talking about anything else - certainly not 'good fiscal policy'. Case in point:
View attachment 2198423
As Alan Kohler reminds us, land and energy are the two basic economic inputs apart from labour, but while Australia has more of both than just about any other country, we export most of the energy and price our own at global parity, so there’s no home-grown advantage there, and we crowd into a few cities and pay each other seven to eight times our salaries for land.
And high-priced houses do not create wealth; they redistribute it.
'Sound Fiscal Policy' would be centred on fixing these basic things. Show me who is talking about it in mainstream media?
'