Movie What's the last movie you saw? (6)

[Chief]

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Movie - What's the last movie you saw? (7)

Continued from Part 6: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/whats-the-last-movie-you-saw-6.1287849/ I've retained Asgardian as the OP. Rest in peace, mate. ================ Starting this up for the mods. Watched Judgment in Berlin, a simple tale of a hijacking from Poland to West Berlin...

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[phantom13]

I don't doubt there are people that misread the movie.

I didn't say they were definitively wrong about Joker, I said they were definitively wrong about Fight Club and The Boys. There's room to question whether the Joker made it clear he was the villain, but I said personally I think they did. His violent actions are quite brutal and unsympathetic, his actions on de Niro's show aren't heroic in any way and by the end he's completely lost his mind. That's my take. I get some people may say 'but look what they made him do' but I don't think that makes what he did look any better.

That makes it look like you are definitely saying anyone who doesnt agree with you is wrong but if ive misunderstood i apologise.

Certainly my take was that he was a sympathetic victim of a cruel and uncaring world and most of the commentary from the movie was on how shitty the mental health access and system is in the US not that Arthur was a bad guy but my wife also enjoyed the film and took a different message so it absolutely divisive.

Ultimately i thought it was a pretty reductive take on mental illness that absolutely glorified the sad lonely incel taking back the city for his kind and was cleverly (if disingenuously) marketed as under the Joker title. My hot take is Joaquins performance was actually pretty ****ing average and playing over the top loons is pretty easy Oscar bait (that worked).

 

[JackOutback]

That makes it look like you are definitely saying anyone who doesnt agree with you is wrong but if ive misunderstood i apologise.

Certainly my take was that he was a sympathetic victim of a cruel and uncaring world and most of the commentary from the movie was on how shitty the mental health access and system is in the US not that Arthur was a bad guy but my wife also enjoyed the film and took a different message so it absolutely divisive.

Ultimately i thought it was a pretty reductive take on mental illness that absolutely glorified the sad lonely incel taking back the city for his kind and was cleverly (if disingenuously) marketed as under the Joker title. My hot take is Joaquins performance was actually pretty ******* average and playing over the top loons is pretty easy Oscar bait (that worked).

No need to apologise, ultimately anything we post on movies is opinion. I agree with your take that outside forces shaped his descent into madness, I just disagree with the conclusion that he 'took back the city' for incels and is therefore some kind of hero. I haven't seen it since it's release but I don't recall there being anything to cheer about in the chaos at the end, the incels are as much the villain as he is. Which makes it a villain origin story, imo.

 

[Footonddit]

The new Prey movie is pretty good. Not much say except it's pretty much just an action flick that's good at action.

 

[Gralin]

I didn't say they were definitively wrong about Joker, I said they were definitively wrong about Fight Club and The Boys. There's room to question whether the Joker made it clear he was the villain, but I said personally I think they did. His violent actions are quite brutal and unsympathetic, his actions on de Niro's show aren't heroic in any way and by the end he's completely lost his mind. That's my take. I get some people may say 'but look what they made him do' but I don't think that makes what he did look any better.

There is an entire group of people that though fight club was an instruction manual.

There is a large push in meme culture to make Homelander a hero.

These people are noisy and Hollywood will pander to them because money (and lets be honest Hollywood is full of these campaigners)

Hollywood normalises this shit all the time despite the so called woke agenda.

 

[edgie]

Are we not liking that it inspired city wide riots against mega wealthy big corpo conservative establishment?

Typical Gralin always siding with the big guys.


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[Frank Bunn]

Prey (2022).

Predator encounters the Comanches from 300 years ago whose best warrior/hunter is a young female.

It's very predictable. It's another girl power movie that transplants 21st century values into another time.

Spoiler

You know the downtrodden female main character is going to kill the Predator. Along the way this skinny woman outfights several large men before single handedly defeating one of the deadliest warriors in the universe.

The dialog is sparse which is a good thing as it varies between bland and inappropriately contemporary, with a bit of fan service thrown in. The acting was poor which is fine as all the characters apart from the main were one dimensional cardboard cut outs.

Despite all that, it's an enjoyable action movie that is well made and watchable.

5/10

 

[Gralin]

Are we not liking that it inspired city wide riots against mega wealthy big corpo conservative establishment?

Typical Gralin always siding with the big guys.


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[Gralin]

Are we not liking that it inspired city wide riots against mega wealthy big corpo conservative establishment?

Typical Gralin always siding with the big guys.


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Burn it down includes white supremacy.

Joker ain't selling that

 

[edgie]

Burn it down includes white supremacy.

Joker ain't selling that

I don’t recall him ever murdering minorities? IIRC he fantasises about being romantic with a coloured woman.


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[FRUMPY]

I thought joker was s**t and packaging it up as a film based on a very well known comic book character was smart marketing.

If it’s not called Joker it does a tenth the box office and barely rates a mention.

Agree, I wasn't a fan

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[Kong]

Witness For The Prosecution (1957) on Prime

My god this was good, Its a courtroom drama based on an Agatha Christie novel and it had everything. Humour that hasn't dated, drama and a really good twist. I had to laugh at the end credits where there was a voiceover saying please do not spoil the twist for future viewers in the cinema. Times have changed

10/10 i will be watching this again and again.

Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll check that out.

12 Angry Men (courtroom drama from the same era) was great, if you haven’t seen that.

On the spoiler thing, they said the same thing when I saw Agatha Christie’s Mousetrap on stage in London. The fact that the story has been kept a secret for decades is pretty cool.

 

[Kong]

The conversation on Joker and whether they glorified him (or incel losers in general) is interesting. I can see both sides of the argument, as I definitely know of some people that saw him and others like him as justified in their hatred of society, which is pretty scary. I remember somebody (that suffers from poor mental health) telling me that it explained how they felt when society continued to "let them down".

A film that was probably more controversial but I think more well balanced as "Nitram". I get the concerns about glorifying Bryant, but I actually think the film told both stories well:

He was absolutely let down by society at the time - conservative, uneducated, remote Australia in the 90s that didn't know how to help someone that clearly needed it.

He was an evil, destructive piece of shit that is lucky to only be in jail.

I think (or hope) you'd find a lot less people worshiping him if they only know of him from that film, than there are of Arthur in Joker.

 

[edgie]

Nitram is not particularly accurate.

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[Ocha905]

Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998, Netflix) -
Guy Ritchie's debut crime film starts slow but manages to weaves all its characters together into a highly entertaining final act. A brilliant way to tie everyone together. It was shocking though how dated this film looked though. Could have been shot in the 70's. 8/10.

Whip It (2009, Netflix) -
Ever watch a film and think "damn I wish I saw that when I was young"? This is a teen film centered around Elliot Page's newfound love for roller derbying. Found some comments were unintentionally funny such as one of the team members telling the main character to grow some balls. Should have seen it when it came out. Now it was pretty blah and I'm annoyed at getting too old to enjoy some things. 4/10.

 

[Kong]

Nitram is not particularly accurate.

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I know they changed a few things, but that’s not really my point.

 

[phantom13]

Personally think Nitram was reductive as well. A lot of “his mother didn’t love him and it was her fault he did it”

 

[Kong]

Personally think Nitram was reductive as well. A lot of “his mother didn’t love him and it was her fault he did it”

I didn’t see it that way; as I wrote above, I think it conveyed both, with him definitely being portrayed as a bad human being responsible for his own actions, with others around him reacting or pointing this out (his dad, the surfer friend, his former teacher).

Each to their own.

 

[JackOutback]

There is an entire group of people that though fight club was an instruction manual.

There is a large push in meme culture to make Homelander a hero.

These people are noisy and Hollywood will pander to them because money (and lets be honest Hollywood is full of these campaigners)

Hollywood normalises this s**t all the time despite the so called woke agenda.

Do we ask filmmakers not to make movies with a social message lest some idiot somewhere misinterpret it? I’m aware some people view Fight Club as a positive outlook on masculinity. But that was my point, they are wrong, the message is the opposite of that. We can’t control every outlook of a movie, all we can do is try to correct it. Just as The Boys creators are doing with Homelander now, I believe. I also don’t see how Hollywood profited out of these incorrect takes.

The discussion of whether Joker glorified the character is valid, I don’t think it did, I think it tried to skirt the line between gritty social issues, Scorsese homage and supervillain origin to some moderate success.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Elvis (2022)

What a tragic story is Elvis Presley's life really. A meteoric talent who was surrounded by leeches who tried to suck him dry and a manager who trapped him in a gilded cage (movies & then Vegas) and kept Presley there with drugs just to maintain a gambling addiction. The Colonel was indeed a villain played beautifully by Tom Hanks. Although, I felt it looked like he was in a fat suit at times. The whole production was terrifically done. I've never been a huge Elvis fan but to see how the establishment came down hard on that young man just because he wiggled his hips and inflamed young women were ridiculous. The '50s was such an awful time. This is a good film. 7/10.

Prey (2022)

This was a fantastic movie all around. I went to see Nope this week and I think as sci-fi horror, Prey was better. 8/10

 

[Frank Bunn]

A Man Called Ove

A Swedish adaptation of the novel.

One of my favourite films of recent times, and possibly the best novel adaptation that I can think of, a rare case of me enjoying the film more than the book.

It’s about a grumpy old widow who plans to kill himself a year after his wife (the only person he loved and enjoyed the company of) passes. He is constantly interrupted by his quirky neighbours (and a cat), who he winds up helping with their problems because as he sees it, it’s the right thing to do and nobody else will do it properly.

The story is fairly predictable, but it’s a warm comedy-drama that I really liked. Similar in style to St Vincent.

After reading the book I saw that they are also making an American film starring Tom Hanks that I’m not hopeful for at all, but I could be pleasantly surprised.

We watched it tonight and enjoyed it. It was fairly low budget and low key but there were a few times you wondered how they filmed it safely. My only criticism is that it went a little too long.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Bullet Train - that was fun. I’m not usually an action movie kind of babe but this one has enough plot lines to keep me interested, and the action was a bit funny and in on the joke. 8/10.

 

[GreyCrow]

Bullet Train - that was fun. I’m not usually an action movie kind of babe but this one has enough plot lines to keep me interested, and the action was a bit funny and in on the joke. 8/10.

A friend enjoyed the eye candy

 

[phantom13]

Prey

Just awesome. Has a lot of the same appeals of the original (the mood, horror and violence) with a bit of a twist on the franchise. I think it’s been mentioned but if it was done this well I’d take a new predator film every few years in a new timeline and location (Ancient Greece, Middle Ages hell give me predator v pirates).

9/10

 

[Jarman3]

Prey

Pretty good. Comfortably the second best Predator movie, although that could be considered faint praise considering the other sequels and spin-offs ranged from OK at best (Predators) to utter crap (AvPR). Still not a patch on the original.

Enjoyed watching it, but probably wouldn't bother watching it again.

 

[Ed_Gein]

Scarlet Street (1945). Dare I say, one of the best noir films made? Definitely one of my favourites. Fantastic thought out story with twists and turns. Bit of a slow builder, but it's nicely developed overall. Highly recommended. 10/10.