Movie What's the last movie you saw? (6)

[Chief]

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Movie - What's the last movie you saw? (7)

Continued from Part 6: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/whats-the-last-movie-you-saw-6.1287849/ I've retained Asgardian as the OP. Rest in peace, mate. ================ Starting this up for the mods. Watched Judgment in Berlin, a simple tale of a hijacking from Poland to West Berlin...

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[JackOutback]

Sandler can act and has some gems in his back catalogue. He chooses the easy road more often than not, but you can hardly blame him when there is an audience that laps that up. I liked a few of his early films but very quickly grew tired of the schtick because it generally required more and more ridiculous premises around the same character.

 

[Financialpanther]

Sandler can act and has some gems in his back catalogue. He chooses the easy road more often than not, but you can hardly blame him when there is an audience that laps that up. I liked a few of his early films but very quickly grew tired of the schtick because it generally required more and more ridiculous premises around the same character.

For every 'Hustle' there are seemingly four 'Little Nicky's" it seems.

 

[Forward Press]

Adam Sandler's latest, Hustle.
Loved it. I've never been a massive Sandler fan. Always had him in the same boat as Jim Carey - slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits.
I think this is the kind of stuff he should focus on moving forward. More serious, but still plenty of laughs. Just laughs that don't require him to act like a cartoon or talk about bodily functions.

I don't know how someone can go from Hubie Halloween to Hustle.

And just like Carrey they got started on comedy but have produced some seriously good roles as they aged.

Have you ever seen Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? One of my favourite movies and Carrey plays it (mostly) straight the whole time. Imagine suggesting 25 years ago that the stars of Ace Ventura and Billy Madison would have serious acting chops a couple of decades later.

 

[phantom13]

Adam Sandler's latest, Hustle.
Loved it. I've never been a massive Sandler fan. Always had him in the same boat as Jim Carey - slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits.
I think this is the kind of stuff he should focus on moving forward. More serious, but still plenty of laughs. Just laughs that don't require him to act like a cartoon or talk about bodily functions.

I don't know how someone can go from Hubie Halloween to Hustle.

You hanging shit on Carrey as an actor cause... dude.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

You hanging s**t on Carrey as an actor cause... dude.

What?

 

[phantom13]

What?

"Always had him in the same boat as Jim Carey - slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits"

I actually think youre selling them both pretty short here but Carreys serious works catalogue is as good as just about anyones.

Sandler has shown a bit (Punch Drunk Love, Reign Over Me, The Meyerwitz Stories, Uncut Gems) but i can understand the generalisation for him.

For Carrey its just a mile off, Man on the Moon alone is acting craft beyond what most of his contemporaries could dream of.

 

[Forward Press]

I think there is disagreement about whether Carrey has always been a slapstick-ish toilet humour dude with more misses than hits, that was phantom's point of contention.

Personally imo he obviously got his start with the slapstick toilet humour (Ace Ventura now for example would definitely not exist with the transphobic humour) - but his comedies definitely had more hits than misses. The rhino scene alone from Ace Ventura 2 makes Carrey a comedy classic, not to mention comedy classics like The Mask and Dumb and Dumber.

The Mask
Ace Ventura 1 and 2
Liar Liar
Dumb and Dumber
Bruce Almighty

Certified comedy hits no question even if you personally found them unfunny.

 

[Forward Press]

"Always had him in the same boat as Jim Carey - slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits"

I actually think youre selling them both pretty short here but Carreys serious works catalogue is as good as just about anyones.

Sandler has shown a bit (Punch Drunk Love, Reign Over Me, The Meyerwitz Stories, Uncut Gems) but i can understand the generalisation for him.

For Carrey its just a mile off, Man on the Moon alone is acting craft beyond what most of his contemporaries could dream of.

I thought Sandler was also great in Click, a comedy with some serious scenes.

Jim Carrey has a great serious filmography...

Man on the Moon
The Truman Show
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The Majestic

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

"Always had him in the same boat as Jim Carey - slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits"

I actually think youre selling them both pretty short here but Carreys serious works catalogue is as good as just about anyones.

Sandler has shown a bit (Punch Drunk Love, Reign Over Me, The Meyerwitz Stories, Uncut Gems) but i can understand the generalisation for him.

For Carrey its just a mile off, Man on the Moon alone is acting craft beyond what most of his contemporaries could dream of.

I feel you've taken this way too personally (and seriously). I simply didn't mention any of their serious work (other than Hustle) because it wasn't pertinent to my point.
I've liked some of both of their movies. A combination of some of the silly ones and some of the serious ones, but generally speaking, I'm not a fan of either, and particularly not the earlier and/or overly slapstick/comicbook/toilet humour type ones.
It's not a big deal.

 

[blackshadow]

Wouldnt mind seeing Lightyear on the big screen but don't wanna look like a pedo at a 11am session by myself as a 42 y.o.

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I was at the 10am session on Saturday - apart from us four people in the cinema.

#justdoit

 

[phantom13]

I feel you've taken this way too personally (and seriously). I simply didn't mention any of their serious work (other than Hustle) because it wasn't pertinent to my point.
I've liked some of both of their movies. A combination of some of the silly ones and some of the serious ones, but generally speaking, I'm not a fan of either, and particularly not the earlier and/or overly slapstick/comicbook/toilet humour type ones.
It's not a big deal.

Im not taking anything too personally, you didn't criticize me.

You completely ignored their serious work to make your point, which is fine, lazy but fine, and now a few people have pointed out how youve missed quite a bit by labelling both actors as "slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits".

Youve made the effort to make a post but then been too lazy to hang with it. Thats cool but dont deflect.

Carrey from 94 (The Mask) until about 04 (Eternal Sunshine) basically didnt miss at the box office with a comedy or with the critics for a serious role.

That you didnt personally like them is fine, opinions and all that, but lets not pretend he wasnt argurably the most bankable box office star for a comedy or drama for near on a decade.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I think there is disagreement about whether Carrey has always been a slapstick-ish toilet humour dude with more misses than hits, that was phantom's point of contention.

Personally imo he obviously got his start with the slapstick toilet humour (Ace Ventura now for example would definitely not exist with the transphobic humour) - but his comedies definitely had more hits than misses. The rhino scene alone from Ace Ventura 2 makes Carrey a comedy classic, not to mention comedy classics like The Mask and Dumb and Dumber.

The Mask
Ace Ventura 1 and 2
Liar Liar
Dumb and Dumber
Bruce Almighty

Certified comedy hits no question even if you personally found them unfunny.

Perhaps the context of my 'misses more than it hits' comment was misconstrued. I was referring to the jokes, not the movies as a whole, but even then, it's subjective. Personally I found that for every joke that I had a good, genuine chuckle at, there's half a dozen or more that barely get a response.

Just because they are considered comedy classics, doesn't mean that I enjoyed them as much as others. My opinions on the actors or the movies they've been in doesn't change the way they are viewed by others. It was an overreaction.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Im not taking anything too personally, you didn't criticize me.

You completely ignored their serious work to make your point, which is fine, lazy but fine, and now a few people have pointed out how youve missed quite a bit by labelling both actors as "slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits".

Youve made the effort to make a post but then been too lazy to hang with it. Thats cool but dont deflect.

Carrey from 94 (The Mask) until about 04 (Eternal Sunshine) basically didnt miss at the box office with a comedy or with the critics for a serious role.

That you didnt personally like them is fine, opinions and all that, but lets not pretend he wasnt argurably the most bankable box office star for a comedy or drama for near on a decade.

Box office and critics mean nothing to my personal opinion. You have CLEARLY taken it personally and interpreted the absence of something as meaning I didn't/don't rate it.
Take a chill pill. I'm personally not a big fan of them. Doesn't mean I don't like some of their work. Doesn't mean, when discussing one thing, that I need to critique their entire career, or mention their whole back catalogue.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Dont forget Number 22 by Carrey, another great serious dramatic performance and a great film too

 

[phantom13]

Box office and critics mean nothing to my personal opinion. You have CLEARLY taken it personally and interpreted the absence of something as meaning I didn't/don't rate it.
Take a chill pill. I'm personally not a big fan of them. Doesn't mean I don't like some of their work. Doesn't mean, when discussing one thing, that I need to critique their entire career, or mention their whole back catalogue.

I am chill, just pointing out the fallacy of your argument. again, you say this.

"Doesn't mean, when discussing one thing, that I need to critique their entire career"

But you also said this

"Always had him in the same boat as Jim Carey - slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits"

So are you talking about their careers or not? Probably should make up your mind or just maybe accept that subjectively youve kind of been proven wrong about both guys careers.

 

[Forward Press]

I think all of us need to take a breather here imo, it's fine to not like a movie that you're a fan of.

I love Eternal Sunshine but can understand people finding Kate Winslet insufferable, Jim Carrey boring, and the plot too weird.

Another hot take: I think Johnny Depp and Daniel Day Lewis aren't that great as actors.

 

[phantom13]

I think all of us need to take a breather here imo, it's fine to not like a movie that you're a fan of.

I love Eternal Sunshine but can understand people finding Kate Winslet insufferable, Jim Carrey boring, and the plot too weird.

Not really the point of the discussion though. I dont think anyone is worked up, its a pretty reasonable convo.

 

[Financialpanther]

Another hot take: I think Johnny Depp and Daniel Day Lewis aren't that great as actors.

First take I agree with, second not so much.

 

[phantom13]

I think all of us need to take a breather here imo, it's fine to not like a movie that you're a fan of.

I love Eternal Sunshine but can understand people finding Kate Winslet insufferable, Jim Carrey boring, and the plot too weird.

Another hot take: I think Johnny Depp and Daniel Day Lewis aren't that great as actors.

Depps basically done panto for like 15 years now.

DDL but... nah, cant agree with that one.

 

[Forward Press]

Personally I appreciate the craft but find him too 'hammy' at times if that makes sense. Also probably doesn't help I am not enamoured with his most famous roles and movies. I enjoy watching Tom Cruise more and he obviously has less of an acting range than DDL.

On the female side for hot takes, I find Meryl Streep overrated and she gets all this adulation simply for her longevity imo.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I am chill, just pointing out the fallacy of your argument. again, you say this.

"Doesn't mean, when discussing one thing, that I need to critique their entire career"

But you also said this

"Always had him in the same boat as Jim Carey - slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits"

So are you talking about their careers or not? Probably should make up your mind or just maybe accept that subjectively youve kind of been proven wrong about both guys careers.

I think you've just overanalysed my comments because you don't agree.
Having them both in the same boat as a generalisation doesn't mean that I'm not aware of, or that I don't like their serious stuff.
Generally speaking, in my personal opinion, I find a lot of their stuff (not all) to be very same/same and not to my personal taste.

If I say that I'm not a fan of Joel Selwood, that doesn't mean that I think he isn't a good player.
If I say that I think he plays for high contact free kicks, that doesnt mean that I think he does it every time he gets the ball and is incapable of playing without cheating. All of that also doesn't mean that I will never watch or enjoy a Geelong game that he's playing in.

Apologies to any Geelong fans, was just an example of how certain things aren't mutually exclusive or inclusive by the absence of them being mentioned.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Tom Hanks arguably best "emotional" actor

 

[phantom13]

I think you've just overanalysed my comments because you don't agree.
Having them both in the same boat as a generalisation doesn't mean that I'm not aware of, or that I don't like their serious stuff.
Generally speaking, in my personal opinion, I find a lot of their stuff (not all) to be very same/same and not to my personal taste.

If I say that I'm not a fan of Joel Selwood, that doesn't mean that I think he isn't a good player.
If I say that I think he plays for high contact free kicks, that doesnt mean that I think he does it every time he gets the ball and is incapable of playing without cheating. All of that also doesn't mean that I will never watch or enjoy a Geelong game that he's playing in.

Apologies to any Geelong fans, was just an example of how certain things aren't mutually exclusive or inclusive by the absence of them being mentioned.

I think you didnt consider how poorly a generalisation can come across cause im not the only one who pointed out how wrong it was, im just the only one still engaging with it.

If you said "I always had Joel Selwood as being in the same boat as Jack Ginnivan, a ducker, that misses more than he hits" it would be a much more apt comparison to what you said cause you didnt just say "havent seen much of their serious work" or "wasnt a huge fan of most of their serious work" you said

"Always had him in the same boat as Jim Carey - slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits"

Which is a pretty heavy critique of a 30ish year career for two of the industries most bankable stars.

Walk it back if you want, totally acceptable thing to do, the bolded if youd lead with it wouldnt have raised even a reply.

And FWIW im not emotional or over analyzing anything, i arguably have too much time on my hands at work today but the whole point of a forum is to engage and discuss and i assumed that perhaps you were unfamilar with Sandler and Carreys works outside of their slapstick comedies (not that they should be undersold either).

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I think you didnt consider how poorly a generalisation can come across cause im not the only one who pointed out how wrong it was, im just the only one still engaging with it.

If you said "I always had Joel Selwood as being in the same boat as Jack Ginnivan, a ducker, that misses more than he hits" it would be a much more apt comparison to what you said cause you didnt just say "havent seen much of their serious work" or "wasnt a huge fan of most of their serious work" you said

"Always had him in the same boat as Jim Carey - slapstick(ish), toilet humour that misses more than it hits"

Which is a pretty heavy critique of a 30ish year career for two of the industries most bankable stars.

Walk it back if you want, totally acceptable thing to do, the bolded if youd lead with it wouldnt have raised even a reply.

And FWIW im not emotional or over analyzing anything, i arguably have too much time on my hands at work today but the whole point of a forum is to engage and discuss and i assumed that perhaps you were unfamilar with Sandler and Carreys works outside of their slapstick comedies (not that they should be undersold either).

I'm not walking anything back. I'm providing context that I believed would have been obvious in my first post. Whether I didn't convey that as well as I could, or whether you misinterpreted the absence of what I considered to be minor details as a lack of knowledge or respect for the rest of their work, I couldn't really care. I've spent more time discussing the nuances of a basic comment than I care to.

Ryan Reynolds is currently one of Hollywood's most bankable stars, but a lot of people don't like him. He has a pretty wide range of work too. If somebody came on here saying they weren't a fan and said that he just plays the same character every time, I wouldn't feel the need to defend him and point out his various works that go against that other poster's opinion. Some people say that he just plays himself in every role. Obviously he doesn't do that in EVERY role. It's just a generalisation. I don't mind that some of his characters are very same/same, because I like the personality and humuor that he puts across in interviews and on his socials. If somebody wanted to pigeon-hole him and miss out on his better work because he isn't their cup of tea, that's fine by me.

I'm also not underselling their work by having a personal opinion that differs from the general consensus.
I'm done trying to justify my opinion and placate you.

 

[phantom13]

I'm not walking anything back. I'm providing context that I believed would have been obvious in my first post. Whether I didn't convey that as well as I could, or whether you misinterpreted the absence of what I considered to be minor details as a lack of knowledge or respect for the rest of their work, I couldn't really care. I've spent more time discussing the nuances of a basic comment than I care to.

Ryan Reynolds is currently one of Hollywood's most bankable stars, but a lot of people don't like him. He has a pretty wide range of work too. If somebody came on here saying they weren't a fan and said that he just plays the same character every time, I wouldn't feel the need to defend him and point out his various works that go against that other poster's opinion. Some people say that he just plays himself in every role. Obviously he doesn't do that in EVERY role. It's just a generalisation. I don't mind that some of his characters are very same/same, because I like the personality and humuor that he puts across in interviews and on his socials. If somebody wanted to pigeon-hole him and miss out on his better work because he isn't their cup of tea, that's fine by me.

I'm also not underselling their work by having a personal opinion that differs from the general consensus.
I'm done trying to justify my opinion and placate you.

Wasnt aware Reynolds had done anything as critically acclaimed as either Sandler or Carrey, hes also not done it for 10 years, across drama and comedy... i can keep going but youre right, this has been pointless for some time.

I didnt ask you to justify or placate me, just to consider that perhaps big broad sweeping critical statements of two very well respected actors that completely ignores like half their body of work might not be a great place to start a review of a film. Do what you like man, just dont be shocked when people call it out.