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I think Bont is better than Fyfe but definitely not Judd
Where does Marcus Bontempelli sit in the players of this era
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Has to fill his individual cabinet a bit more to be considered right up there
Leaving WCE people out here....
Absolute Top Tier - LEGENDS (since 2000)
Buddy, Dusty, Goodes & Nick Daicos
Bont not in their class.
Absolute Top Tier - LEGENDS (since 2000)
Buddy, Dusty, Goodes & Nick Daicos
Bont not in their class.
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Best player in the game.
His decade of consistency and durability actually puts him above Dangerfield, Fyfe and Martin for me personally.
Dusty is clearly still the best big game player of this era, but he has more flaws in his game. Likewise Dangerfield and Fyfe.
Bont is good to elite at every part of Australian rules football.
Been an absolute pleasure watching him. Still a lot of good years left as well.
His decade of consistency and durability actually puts him above Dangerfield, Fyfe and Martin for me personally.
Dusty is clearly still the best big game player of this era, but he has more flaws in his game. Likewise Dangerfield and Fyfe.
Bont is good to elite at every part of Australian rules football.
Been an absolute pleasure watching him. Still a lot of good years left as well.
Bont's output has barely changed since his 3rd year. I think he is massively under-hyped because he is at the bulldogs.
These stats line up with anyone in the game.
HAS been the best player in the comp for a few years now. You'd hate to see how good he'd be in a side like Sydney's got or Carlton's. He carries his team most weeks and plays mid, key forward, wherever they need a lift.
Brilliant footballer.
Brilliant footballer.
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Yeah, I agree.
Have always been a huge Fyfe and Dusty fan but I think the Bonts versatility and consistency has seen him go past them.
The perfect Aussie rules player. I love watching him.
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Club best and fairest in a premiership year is a huge accolade but he's been captain of a side that's chronically underperformed in quite a few seasons, especially in finals.
Taints my view of him a little bit, maybe.
Taints my view of him a little bit, maybe.
And you view of Max Gawn then?
The guy is legitimately a freak.
I actually think he's underrated.
Not only can he turn games (and does) from any position on the ground you play him in - he's very, very durable.
I actually think he's underrated.
Not only can he turn games (and does) from any position on the ground you play him in - he's very, very durable.
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I don't think our level of underperformance has been comparable to the Dogs. We've finished Top 4 in the home and away season since the flag, and we've accounted for ourselves fairly reasonably in finals- we've lost to some decent sides.
Since losing the grand final, the Dogs missed finals last year entirely and completely shat the bed against Fremantle? That's with JUH being gifted to them...
That said, I feel similar about Max especially wrt to leadership. No question he's the best ruckman of this era though.
Edit: As an aside, if I recall correctly, Bontempelli had his hand on his hips while Trac and Oliver absolutely smashed them in the middle in that third quarter. I don't think you can look at the finals we've lost and say it's because Max was being brushed aside.
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Very very special. Only disappointing thing about his career, is big games. Hasn't played in them enough in his prime.
People forget that Bont had articles like this being written about him in his third year: https://www.afl.com.au/news/42940/is-the-bont-the-best-20-year-old-weve-seen
His 2017 and 2018 seasons saw a mild plateau due to some pretty painful hip trouble that was kept mostly under wraps. After 2019 though, he's barely missed a beat and has probably been the undisputed 'best' in league since 2021.
Bont beats Judd on kicks, handballs, marks, goals and tackles.
He also has better kicking depth.
Judd did win the Brownlow twice but one was only because of the Carlton rule that allows you to break someone's face and still be considered fairest. (Patrick Cripps also benefited from this rule).
Judd did have more burst speed but Bont loses nothing compared to Judd.
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Bont for me is like Robbie Flower. As much as we don't value the Brownlow sometimes, champions who don't win one just don't seem to be spoken in the same conversation as ones who have (Pendles is the exception because Collingwood). I think he's one of the best players I've seen. I'd rate him over Dangerfield and he's spoken about as one of the best in the last 20 years.
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Note to self: It pays to read the replies already posted before adding your 2 cents worth
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As a player he's absolute top shelf, approaching Quinlan/ Dempsey/Hawkins tier as the best Dog of my time, if not there already
Peak is amazing and regularly performs near his best too so satisfies both quality and quantity measures.
The question about him as captain isn't completely relevant, but if we include leadership as a criterion then I think he's a good captain now, excellent as an exemplar (do as I do) and getting better at on field coaching (do as i say). As for inspiration, we'd have to ask the players but he does seem to lift them with brilliant acts and to my limjted viewing it seems to lift his boys.
Leadership is a useful skill, it puts Hodge and Voss in these discussions (and was GAJs only mediocre attribute).
Peak is amazing and regularly performs near his best too so satisfies both quality and quantity measures.
The question about him as captain isn't completely relevant, but if we include leadership as a criterion then I think he's a good captain now, excellent as an exemplar (do as I do) and getting better at on field coaching (do as i say). As for inspiration, we'd have to ask the players but he does seem to lift them with brilliant acts and to my limjted viewing it seems to lift his boys.
Leadership is a useful skill, it puts Hodge and Voss in these discussions (and was GAJs only mediocre attribute).
Best player in the game currently. Complete player. Does it all. Works his tail off defensively which I personally love. Beautiful to watch, at times it looks like the game is in slow motion for him.
Buddy and GaJ ahead of him but geez he's coming fast to sit comfortably with those 2. In the last 20 years they are the only 2 I'd take ahead of him.
Danger and Fyfe kicking not as good.
Dusty has no defensive side
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Buddy and GaJ ahead of him but geez he's coming fast to sit comfortably with those 2. In the last 20 years they are the only 2 I'd take ahead of him.
Danger and Fyfe kicking not as good.
Dusty has no defensive side
Will be a legend.
He carries his team on his shoulders. It is quite outstanding that not only can he do it at the coalface, but he also hits the scoreboard. Going at 0.97 goals per game after 230 games is quite brilliant, and he'll have no issues spending his twilight years up forward and being able to kick 40 goals in a season.
He is quite sublime in all aspects.
He is quite sublime in all aspects.
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Yep most likely Neale.
Neale: 2 x Brownlows, 1 MVP, 1 Coaches award
Bont: 0 x Brownlow, 2 MVPs, 1 Coaches award
So Neale has more (4 v 3) and at least one of each.
Bont has no individual finals awards to counteract this either.
The End Fadge.
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Do you just deny reality. He literally has more big awards. Including the 2 most prestigious and 1 of each. Was also 1 vote off 3 in 4 years.
Only like 15 players have won 2 Brownlows. That’s Uber elite and that’s what people will see when they google Neale and Brownlow records.
Your stuffed eye test means f all in the record books.
Love the Bont and do think he’s in the best few players in the game.
He is definitely underexposed by being at the Bulldogs. Place him in a big 4 team and I think the media circle jerk would make the Naicos circle jerk look like the premature ejaculation of a teenage boy.
Will finish this season as a 29 year old 6xAA and 6xB&F winner. Will also be very close to a top 10 vote winner in the Brownlow. Could well play five more seasons and set some records.
He is definitely underexposed by being at the Bulldogs. Place him in a big 4 team and I think the media circle jerk would make the Naicos circle jerk look like the premature ejaculation of a teenage boy.
Will finish this season as a 29 year old 6xAA and 6xB&F winner. Will also be very close to a top 10 vote winner in the Brownlow. Could well play five more seasons and set some records.
It's completely bizarre, but I think you're probably right
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