Which team out of Adelaide, North and Hawthorn has the better youth?

[WillHayward]

Not North

Anyone but North is the answer.

The local lawn bowls club has better youth than North .

 

[SSSSSS]

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******* lol.

**** me that is grim viewing.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Simpkin isn't good and Phillips can't even make the team.

Give it a spell

Take it up with champion data stats that say otherwise

 

[hawkman]

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******* lol.

Don't miss Clarkson playing all the mature bodies over younger ones

 

[Golumless]

* me that is grim viewing.

Yup, they've fallen into the exact same trap Melbourne fell into in 2012-2013. They're actively trying to compete, have the profile of a top 4 team in terms of experience... and are 17th with a percentage of 64%.

Unlike Melbourne, there is no guarantee it gets better. After all, Clarko isn't a coach for a rebuild.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

North's best youth are 25 year olds and they're still average.

 

[Golumless]

Don't miss Clarkson playing all the mature bodies over younger ones

It's worth noting Mitchell does as well, seeing every > 100 games player has played every game he's been fit for this year, and will throughout. That's no different to Nicks*, Fagan, or any coach really. Their only real job is to win, regardless if they're a contender or balls deep in a rebuild. The point of a rebuild is to put the list in such a horrific state that even their best isn't good enough most of the time, so you can rack up good draft picks. Then to hope like hell you accrue enough elite talent to allow yourself to build a gameplan to kick out of it.

The biggest thing was likely just getting rid of Clarksons voice when it came to the direction the club was heading. After all, who is going to win an argument with a 4x premiership coach? Especially when it comes to actively making the list worse.


* There are two prime examples where Nicks didn't, but that's more to do with Crouch and Brown being so bad they couldn't be selected.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Hawks fans cheering on Carlton tonight, West Coast now bottom!

 

[SSSSSS]

We tried to warn you North.

Clarko backing in his plodders at the expense of youth was his MO in his last few years.

What has Howe, Shiels, Tucker etc contributed?

We've palmed off JOM/Mitchell and gone from being the worst contested ball/clearance side to the most improved in the space of twelve months.

I rated our midfield as our weakest line last year but I daresay it's our best now.

Reeves Newcombe Day Nash with support from Ward, Worpel, McKenzie and Moore.

North have some genuine star power in LDU and Sheezel but lack any semblance of balance. Their lack of quality in depth is getting exposed.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Given the current live percentages, I think we should be replaced by West Coast.

18th Hawks 65.1
17th Roos 67.8
16th Weagles 68.2

Will be closer after tonight's games.

Next closest Freo 84.2

Don’t really agree, unless you want to change the thread title

 

[theiaofseed]

We tried to warn you North.

Clarko backing in his plodders at the expense of youth was his MO in his last few years.

What has Howe, Shiels, Tucker etc contributed?

We've palmed off JOM/Mitchell and gone from being the worst contested ball/clearance side to the most improved in the space of twelve months.

I rated our midfield as our weakest line last year but I daresay it's our best now.

Reeves Newcombe Day Nash with support from Ward, Worpel, McKenzie and Moore.

North have some genuine star power in LDU and Sheezel but lack any semblance of balance. Their lack of quality in depth is getting exposed.

2020 was so damn painful when Clarkson would play Minchington and Patton ahead of Moore and Lewis who were dominating the VFL.

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[SSSSSS]

2020 was so damn painful when Clarkson would play Minchington and Patton ahead of Moore and Lewis who were dominating the VFL.

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Clarko trying to turn Nash into a small forward despite him killing it in the mids at VFL level.

A legend of the club but the time was up.

 

[jackenny]

Clarko trying to turn Nash into a small forward despite him killing it in the mids at VFL level.

A legend of the club but the time was up.

Really does show Mitchell’s flexibility in comparison. Clearly had ideas on Weddle playing wing/midfield initially, but has gone back to playing him as a defender (for now, because that’s the position he’s playing well atm). Did see him run through Hawk’s midfield a little today, but very, very sparingly, and only near the end of the game. Compare that to Nash doing well in the midfield for Box Hill, then he gets elevated to play seniors as a forward under Clarko’s stubbornness.

 

[mattwa]

Simpkin isn't good and Phillips can't even make the team.

Give it a spell

Phillips over McDonald will haunt the rood for years. Terrible pick

 

[Blackhawk42]

2020 was so damn painful when Clarkson would play Minchington and Patton ahead of Moore and Lewis who were dominating the VFL.

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And Scully over Morrison.

Amazing how quickly lists can change.

 

[CrowToon]

Mitch Lewis' talent > 3/4 of North's list combined

 

[SSSSSS]

Phillips over McDonald will haunt the rood for years. Terrible pick

They were screaming for KPP and we're staring at a no brainer decision of selecting the two consensus number 1 picks (minus JUH) in Logan and DGB and chose neither.

Baffling.

 

[The acurate one]

We tried to warn you North.

Clarko backing in his plodders at the expense of youth was his MO in his last few years.

What has Howe, Shiels, Tucker etc contributed?

We've palmed off JOM/Mitchell and gone from being the worst contested ball/clearance side to the most improved in the space of twelve months.

I rated our midfield as our weakest line last year but I daresay it's our best now.

Reeves Newcombe Day Nash with support from Ward, Worpel, McKenzie and Moore.

North have some genuine star power in LDU and Sheezel but lack any semblance of balance. Their lack of quality in depth is getting exposed.

Sheesh we got the plodders for free, we didn’t sell the farm ffs.
Huge difference. Also have a further two first rounders to add.

And a few youngsters didn’t play last night.
Be nice if TT can pull his head in. Wardlaw looks ok apparently LDU would be a handy addition.
Goater, Bergman are another two that look likely.
Phillips is coming back after a long layoff.

So regardless of your thoughts on Clarkson. We could delist 20 tomorrow without a concern.

 

[Cleric]

So when you don't grasp what is being said, it's 'gaslighting'.

How about you fess up to your bias, comprehension skills. Fogerty would sink like a stone in our forward line is my first post. And he would. He's not getting the ball he gets at the Crows there. None of our forward are. The ball is barely down there.

What I said is that exactly. Fogerty would sink like a stone.

Greene was never compared to Fog in playing ability. Literally went out of my way not to do that.

But here you dumb asses come over and over with your straw man horse crap.

Didn't say Greene was crap either, he's obviously not. He'll be playing finals with us in a few years.

If you look at Greene and Fogerty and think for one second they are the same type of player, you don't know what your'e looking at.

"2nd or 3rd banana". I wrote that over and over.

You work out which one is which.

Fog would be the number 1 forward target for Hawthorn, so he would most likely do well.

 

[HairyO]

Really does show Mitchell’s flexibility in comparison.

Or it shows the extra time at Box Hill helped their development.

Every year only a handful of players come straight in to the AFL and perform at a high standard.

Imagine having all the kids playing and losing by 20 goals every week. You'd go through 2 rebuild before getting anywhere.

Like Carlton. And Melbourne. Carlton still cant even win finals. And that is when they actually make finals.

 

[SSSSSS]

Sheesh we got the plodders for free, we didn’t sell the farm ffs.
Huge difference. Also have a further two first rounders to add.

And a few youngsters didn’t play last night.
Be nice if TT can pull his head in. Wardlaw looks ok apparently LDU would be a handy addition.
Goater, Bergman are another two that look likely.
Phillips is coming back after a long layoff.

So regardless of your thoughts on Clarkson. We could delist 20 tomorrow without a concern.

The plodders are keeping the likes of Wardlaw and Phillips out of the side while contributing near zero on the footy field.

Clarkson will stubbornly keep backing them in as they do some invisible tangible that keeps the supporters scratching their heads as to why they keep surviving without scrutiny.

 

[The 747]

We tried to warn you North.

Clarko backing in his plodders at the expense of youth was his MO in his last few years.

What has Howe, Shiels, Tucker etc contributed?

We've palmed off JOM/Mitchell and gone from being the worst contested ball/clearance side to the most improved in the space of twelve months.

I rated our midfield as our weakest line last year but I daresay it's our best now.

Reeves Newcombe Day Nash with support from Ward, Worpel, McKenzie and Moore.

North have some genuine star power in LDU and Sheezel but lack any semblance of balance. Their lack of quality in depth is getting exposed.

And North are above you on the ladder.

 

[SSSSSS]

And North are above you on the ladder.

Won't be for long. We've played good footy the last three games in patches after making some adjustments. Just failing to capitalise on periods of dominance.

North had two good games and now they have reverted back to 2022 form after LDU copped his injury.

 

[The acurate one]

The plodders are keeping the likes of Wardlaw and Phillips out of the side while contributing near zero on the footy field.

Clarkson will stubbornly keep backing them in as they do some invisible tangible that keeps the supporters scratching their heads as to why they keep surviving without scrutiny.

With all due respect our VFL side for the last few years would get pumped by 100 points we are going ok now.

So I see no harm in them tasting some success even if at the lower levels.

 

[Cleric]

I did make the points but it's a train wreck to read through it, what you've responded to was me reminding the pile on guy of what was said first up since he hasn't seemed to retain that very well.

In my opinion he's playing in a forward line that is functioning really well. Everyone in it is kicking goals - 4 over ten this year etc. Not exactly a problem.

He's got Tex Walker an all time Crows forward taking the best defender out of play. He's got Rankine and Rachelle needing the attention of defenders who might otherwise peel off a lot more.

I'm over this thread, but let's look at the weekend for an example.

In the game against the Hawks he was almost invisible till after half time. We've been monstered (and I mean monstered) by tall forwards all year, during Adelaide's periods of dominance in this game he didn't threaten. Walker looked dangerous all day. Again, talls have smashed us all year - especially in pairs.

Hawks out on their feet for ten minutes at the end of the game. He bobs up and to his credit kicks one from a tight angle. Not Sam frost's best effort in the contest, but he'd done a power of work to keep us in it, and it happens.

That's the sort of thing you'd want from a reliable, 2nd tall. Not really in the game, but do enough to help get you over the line.

Offensive to some Crows fans, but that's the role he demonstrated he plays well in a tight, contested game.

What rubbish. Go check how Fog used to go without Tex in the team. A couple of years ago is was said that the two couldn't play in the same forward line together, which was the reason he spent some time in the 2nds.
Now you are saying he can only play well with Tex in the team. That's a big turn around.

So because Fog came into his own when the game needed to be won you are trying to say he is a downhill skier?
You either have no idea about talent, or you are just saying stupid shit to try and defend you position.