Which team out of Adelaide, North and Hawthorn has the better youth?

[the big lebowski]

The stats aren't clear, They are very misleading, Love Sloane but he has struggled more often than not this year, And Smith takes majority of our kick ins, Obviously heavily increases his disposal count

Tex has been unbelievable but we have prepared for his departure for ages, Players like Fogarty, Thilthorpe, Gollant and hopefully Tyler Welsh (2024 F/S expected to go high) should fill the void

No arguments about Dawson and Laird putting up numbers, But you seriously can't think 2-3 senior players can carry an entire team into the top 8 without the younger players stepping up, If that was the case Crows would've performed better in previous years

When did I say the younger players aren’t playing well?

It’s fine to dismiss older players performance because because it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that doesn’t make it true.

Adelaide have older players playing well that lead the team easily is goals, disposals, clearances, rebound 50’s.

It’s not a bad thing, or a knock. It’s just a fact. If you didn’t have tex, laird, Sloane, smith and Dawson, you wouldn’t be top 8.

Disagree?

 

[krrzr]

When did I say the younger players aren’t playing well?

It’s fine to dismiss older players performance because because it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that doesn’t make it true.

Adelaide have older players playing well that lead the team easily is goals, disposals, clearances, rebound 50’s.

It’s not a bad thing, or a knock. It’s just a fact. If you didn’t have tex, laird, Sloane, smith and Dawson, you wouldn’t be top 8.

Disagree?

Obviously disagree, We clearly aren't reliant on Sloane who averages around 60% TOG

 

[the big lebowski]

The stats aren't clear, They are very misleading, Love Sloane but he has struggled more often than not this year, And Smith takes majority of our kick ins, Obviously heavily increases his disposal count

Tex has been unbelievable but we have prepared for his departure for ages, Players like Fogarty, Thilthorpe, Gollant and hopefully Tyler Welsh (2024 F/S expected to go high) should fill the void

No arguments about Dawson and Laird putting up numbers, But you seriously can't think 2-3 senior players can carry an entire team into the top 8 without the younger players stepping up, If that was the case Crows would've performed better in previous years

I’ll put it another way.

If we swapped these players, what impact on ladder positions would occur

Walker for CCJ
Dawson for Luke McDonald
Laird for Greenwood
Smith for Hall
Sloane for Ziebell

 

[the big lebowski]

Obviously disagree, We clearly aren't reliant on Sloane who averages around 60% TOG

And still averages the second most clearances for your team.

 

[Soggy2112]

650K

Rachele and Soligo average 29% & 25% CBA this season, both have attended under 22% the last three weeks

Try again

Yes, because young midfielders never spend more time in the forward line while they develop. I can’t think of any top level midfielders who have followed that same path.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

1 - Hawks
2 - Crows
3 - Roos

Whilst the Roos have some great youth, Wardlaw for example looks like he will be an absolute star, they simply don't have enough compared to the Hawks and Crows.

I feel the Hawks have got some incredible youth in various positions ready to explode.

Crows are in the middle but closer to the Hawks side, in that they have some absolutely elite youth coming through, and then a solid mix of role players and above average etc.

There is a clear delineation for me between the Hawks and Crows vs the Roos.

But all that can quickly change, the Roos look like they'll be adding some more top end talent, and if they nail the picks, the gap narrows.

Spot on.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Yeah, because we are transitioning them into the midfield as unlike the Hawks we didn't trade away all our experienced midfielders!

Our midfield is better and younger.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

And still averages the second most clearances for your team.

Tell me exactly what about this stat line screams “one of the most important players in a side contending for finals”.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

When did I say the younger players aren’t playing well?

It’s fine to dismiss older players performance because because it doesn’t suit your narrative, but that doesn’t make it true.

Adelaide have older players playing well that lead the team easily is goals, disposals, clearances, rebound 50’s.

It’s not a bad thing, or a knock. It’s just a fact. If you didn’t have tex, laird, Sloane, smith and Dawson, you wouldn’t be top 8.

Disagree?

We had the same, arguably more senior mix in 21 (swap Dawson for Seedsman, Brown, Lynch, Mackay) and 22. Explain why we finished 14th and 15th?

 

[the big lebowski]

Tell me exactly what about this stat line screams “one of the most important players in a side contending for finals”.

Sigh

Rory Sloane - crows 2023

Disposals - 4th
Tackles - 3rd
Contested possessions - 3rd
Clearances - 2nd
One 1% - 8th (more than all the old guns we are discussing)

All from 60% game time.

Impressive.

 

[the big lebowski]

We had the same, arguably more senior mix in 21 (swap Dawson for Seedsman, Brown, Lynch, Mackay) and 22. Explain why we finished 14th and 15th?

Just speculation but

1: you replaced peripheral spuds with better players
2: younger players improved
3: better availability
4: another year of understanding the coaches game plan
5: draw
6: the season isn’t finished
7: other teams aren’t as good as they were
8: something else

I find it odd you are so keen to dismiss the influence your older players are having on your team’s performance.

Acknowledging grey older player’s performance doesn’t mean rankin isn’t having a gun. Or that walker is almost infront in the Coleman doesn’t mean Fogarty hasn’t improved in leaps and bounds.

It’s kind of weird.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Sigh

Rory Sloane - crows 2023

Disposals - 4th
Tackles - 3rd
Contested possessions - 3rd
Clearances - 2nd
One 1% - 8th (more than all the old guns we are discussing)

All from 60% game time.

Impressive.

So if average stats rank highly in a well performing team, it almost suggests there is an even contribution from the whole team?

 

[the big lebowski]

So if average stats rank highly in a well performing team, it almost suggests there is an even contribution from the whole team?

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[Eddie Murphy]

Just speculation but

1: you replaced peripheral spuds with better players
2: younger players improved
3: better availability
4: another year of understanding the coaches game plan
5: draw
6: the season isn’t finished
7: other teams aren’t as good as they were
8: something else

I find it odd you are so keen to dismiss the influence your older players are having on your team’s performance.

Acknowledging grey older player’s performance doesn’t mean rankin isn’t having a gun. Or that walker is almost infront in the Coleman doesn’t mean Fogarty hasn’t improved in leaps and bounds.

It’s kind of weird.

I’m keen to point out that it is unfair to characterise a handful of senior players as carrying the team when the team has an average winning margin of 46 and said senior players have been in the side for years without the improvement.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Youre totally missing the point.

The stats are clear, your older players dominate statistical categories.

No they don't.

3 players hardly dominate a team!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

2 of the players you brought in aren't in the afl side, and the third is 27, so not relevant to the thread

You brought it up, but now you’re saying it’s not relevant.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Our midfield is better and younger.

It's why they were falling over themselves on here to get Day.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

You brought it up, but now you’re saying it’s not relevant.

ffs another moronic take from you, or are you just a compulsive liar?

I didn't bring it up. Show me where in the thread i brought it up?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I’ll put it another way.

If we swapped these players, what impact on ladder positions would occur

Walker for CCJ
Dawson for Luke McDonald
Laird for Greenwood
Smith for Hall
Sloane for Ziebell

Swapping Dawson for Mcdonald isn't really a fair swap because Dawson is younger .

I see you've tried to swap CCJ, who could technically still be considered youth, but he's a spud.
If you wanted to be consistent in your argument, you swap someone who older slightly older like Larkey.

 

[peetoo]

Ah the things you hold your hat on when you're stuck at the foot of the table.

Full circle….

This thread let’s anyone argue anything. It’s also a couple of years old

 

[endure]

Maybe the real best youf was the friends we made along the way.

It's the journey that matters most, not the destination.

 

[SSSSSS]

It's the journey that matters most, not the destination.

Sounds like St Kilda propaganda.

 

[endure]

In all seriousness, there were clearly signs that others witnessed last year that Adelaide were going to significantly improve this year, but I never predicted it and it looks like it's going to be positive long term as well.

I had Hawthorn above the other two pre-season, and my stubborn mindset still thinks it's the case to a degree. Their successful modern history and systems speaks for itself.

Hard to rate North Melbourne in this criteria as I haven't witnessed very much of them (mostly just reading reviews and statistics), and I think the coaching situation needs to be settled before the club can have that clean slate to rebuild properly.

 

[peetoo]

Full circle….

This thread let’s anyone argue anything. It’s also a couple of years old

What I mean hindsight has shown Adelaide had it as thread began, but now they are rising, another team could be argued without hindsight to now have the best youth

 

[matey]

So, in a thread discussing youth, future midfielders cannot be discussed unless they’ve currently high CBA numbers? Does that mean you’re also not counting Ward, Macdonald and Mackenzie as midfielders?

That is a future premiership midfield right there …….. after Newk, Day, Nash, Worpel have won one. Ridiculous midfield depth over the next decade and the midfield the rotations will be insane. You can see what Sammy is trying to do this year.