Which teams are most reliant on their top players?

[juss]

Best player can be defined either by pure ability and then by their importance to the team.

If you are a teams best ruck and the next in line is an unproven kid then obviously that player is more important.

This is pretty much what is being discussed.

Which teams are more reliant on these players than others.

For the Pies it would be Grundy for example. He is an AA ruck and the next in line if he is out is not as accomplished.

I'd say the Tigers are extremely reliant on Nankervis. If he went down in round 1, that leaves a massive hole in our side.
Previously, I would have said Jack Riewoldt too. However that has somewhat lessened with adding Lynch, because Lynch would then assume number 1 role and Caddy goes back to playing second marking forward which he has done great in the last two years. Or we could promote some promising kids in the VFL Balta or Moore.

I'd lean towards the Tigers as the answer (the usual 4 Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt, Rance), but then that's underrating the next tier guys in Grimes, Astbury, Prestia Vlastuin, Lambert, Caddy, Edwards, Nankervis who are very good players.

As others have said though, that's not unique to the Tigers. Take any teams best 4 players out, and if they are similar to the quality of the Tigers best 4, that team is going to struggle.

 

[faible]

I'd go with Fremantle and Carlton.

Sandilands + Fyfe,and Kreuzer + Cripps.

Those two teams are drastically different whether that pairing are injured or fit.

There's players that are structurally important, e.g. Nankervis at Richmond, but if they were a LTI I believe Richmond could work around it. LTI's to the above pairs would just about torpedo the team for the entire season, irrespective of planning around it.

 

[Joao]

I'd go with Fremantle and Carlton.

Sandilands + Fyfe,and Kreuzer + Cripps.

Those two teams are drastically different whether that pairing are injured or fit.

There's players that are structurally important, e.g. Nankervis at Richmond, but if they were a LTI I believe Richmond could work around it. LTI's to the above pairs would just about torpedo the team for the entire season, irrespective of planning around it.

I am far more worried about going on the road with those boys (Sandi played and Fyfe was 5x better than the next best player on the ground vs Tigers in 2018 and we still got belted) than I am about playing without them. Two of our better wins (both SA teams) were without both in 2018.

They both definitely make a difference but not bothering to turn up on the road is a much bigger problem for us.

 

[faible]

I am far more worried about going on the road with those boys (Sandi played and Fyfe was 5x better than the next best player on the ground vs Tigers in 2018 and we still got belted) than I am about playing without them. Two of our better wins (both SA teams) were without both in 2018.

They both definitely make a difference but not bothering to turn up on the road is a much bigger problem for us.

Think Fremantle should just ban them from getting on planes?

I think Darcy should get a lot more opportunity this year, so I wonder whether they'll leave Sandi at home for all interstate trips this year.

 

[Joao]

Think Fremantle should just ban them from getting on planes?

I think Darcy should get a lot more opportunity this year, so I wonder whether they'll leave Sandi at home for all interstate trips this year.

We'd be dangerous with 22 games at Optus.

I think you are right that Darcy will get games (if not injured) but that is mostly because Sandi has trouble staying fit these days. If he miraculously doesn't get injured then I think you are correct in that he will get heavily managed this year.

 

[Obeanie1]

Jack, Rance, Nankervis would have been more important than dusty the last couple years by this definition



Dusty has hardly missed a game since he was drafted

games starting, '18: 23, 25, 22, 23, 22, 23, 20, 22, 21

Well that loss to the Pies says otherwise.

 

[Captain_Bender]

You're kidding yourself if you think that list compares to anything Collingwood copped on the injury front last year.

Collingwood lose fringe players such as Elliot, Moore and Dunn, Richmond lose best 22 premiership players

 

[faible]

Collingwood lose fringe players such as Elliot, Moore and Dunn, Richmond lose best 22 premiership players

You do realise playing in a premiership does not by definition indicate player quality right?

 

[Captain_Bender]

You do realise playing in a premiership does not by definition indicate player quality right?

Still better quality players than what Collingwood missed

 

[Dez!]

Collingwood lose fringe players such as Elliot, Moore and Dunn, Richmond lose best 22 premiership players

You're vastly underrating Lynden Dunn and sounding like a twat.

 

[winty]

Still better quality players than what Collingwood missed

Maybe in terms of quality, but not in terms of structure. Collingwood missing the likes of Reid and Dunn would be like Richmond being without the likes of Grimes and Astbury for the majority of the season.

 

[OniAu]

Yet a fit Richmond flogged Collingwood twice last year before Collingwood fluked a win against a far superior side struck down with gastro (you know somethign that actually happened unlike Collingwood's "injuries")

Funny thing is , the games we said we had injuries during the game actually did happen. Below still doesn't even include the injuries we had all season so would never have been full strength against the tiges in any game. Let alone the final

Amusing isn't it how there is no injury listed for Richmond in the prelim , ill add them for ya below in red since you clearly had injuries

Round 6
INJURIES
Collingwood: Aish (PCL), Reid (Achilles), Maynard (ankle)
Richmond: Nil

Round 21
INJURIES
Richmond: Prestia (ribs)
Collingwood: Howe (concussion), Mihocek (ankle), Scharenberg (knee)

Prelim Final
INJURIES
Richmond: Nil , Martin (Chopstick ligament strain) , Astbury ( Runny poo) , Cotchin ( No Heart) , Rance (Chronic actors disease)
Collingwood: Howe (ankle)

 

[Marcel Proust]

Well that loss to the Pies says otherwise.

Maybe but its just one game and dusty was carrying a knock. Even the all blacks lose occasionally.

Richmond do rely on its big four (5 now with Lynch i guess) but thats one of the side-affects of having great players

obviously winning the flag without gaff and nicnat was a tremendous effort

 

[adammania9]

A list of Premiership players you have there

Our list has heaps of premiership players, it is quite an impressive list, absolutely.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Funny thing is , the games we said we had injuries during the game actually did happen. Below still doesn't even include the injuries we had all season so would never have been full strength against the tiges in any game. Let alone the final

Amusing isn't it how there is no injury listed for Richmond in the prelim , ill add them for ya below in red since you clearly had injuries

Round 6
INJURIES
Collingwood: Aish (PCL), Reid (Achilles), Maynard (ankle)
Richmond: Nil

Round 21
INJURIES
Richmond: Prestia (ribs)
Collingwood: Howe (concussion), Mihocek (ankle), Scharenberg (knee)

Prelim Final
INJURIES
Richmond: Nil , Martin (Chopstick ligament strain) , Astbury ( Runny poo) , Cotchin ( No Heart) , Rance (Chronic actors disease)
Collingwood: Howe (ankle)

Collingwood supporters fearful as usual enjoy your moral wins, lets see if Collingwood can fluke their way to finals this year doubt it

 

[OniAu]

Collingwood supporters fearful as usual enjoy your moral wins, lets see if Collingwood can fluke their way to finals this year doubt it

Fearful of a team that has had 18 good months of footy in 30 years. Got me big man


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[Captain_Bender]

Fearful of a team that has had 18 good months of footy in 30 years. Got me big man


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Almost the same with Collingwood

 

[Dundalis]

Almost the same with Collingwood

Collingwood won 2 flags, and played in 7 spread fairly evenly through that time period. Lost a few of them to two of the three greatest AFL teams ever assembled in early naughties Lions and late naughties Cats. Weird definition of almost. Funny how obsessed you are with the Pies though.

 

[jackenny]

Having said that, Richmond are one of the sides that currently rely on their top end talent. They are alongside Sydney, West Coast, Brisbane, Carlton and Hawthorn as the sides I see most reliant on their top players.

Sides on the other end of the spectrum are Melbourne, Collingwood, GWS and Geelong. They don’t really get affected too much when they have a couple of good players missing with their depth. Geelong may be a bit of a controversial one since they theoretically have a big gap between their top end and middle gap, but they have depth in the right places to cover their top players IMO so I include them in this category.

Everyone else not mentioned I feel are affected, but only moderately.

Geelong have no ruck or forward depth. Tom Hawkins getting injured would ruin them.

 

[Topkent]

And take out the three players I mentioned how deep is Collingwood's midfield really

The **** are you on about? Take out 3 players from anyone's midfield and it doesn't look shit hot. Take out Martin Cotchin and Edwards or Gaff Shuey and Yeo or Oliver Brayshaw and Jones and everyone's bloody midfield looks thin.

Hands down one of the worst posts ever on big footy

 

[Topkent]

When Viney was out Melbournes midfield was ordinary vs good midfield. Treloar is Collingwoods 3rd or 4th best midfielder

Beat you in Perth without Viney, who only played 10 of 25 games for the season and we made the prelim. You look stupid when you pretend to know what you are talking more than just admitting you don't

 

[kaiserchief13]

Beat you in Perth without Viney, who only played 10 of 25 games for the season and we made the prelim. You look stupid when you pretend to know what you are talking more than just admitting you don't

Wc midfield is their weakness. Best forward line best defense

 

[Topkent]

Wc midfield is their weakness. Best forward line best defense

Irrelevant

 

[kaiserchief13]

Irrelevant

Pretty relevant when your defense for Melbournes was he was out.

 

[woosha24]

Pretty relevant when your defense for Melbournes was he was out.

Just let the lad have his fantasy. It helps to mask the nightmares he has about the prelim.