Who’s stepping up to play in 2021?

[Harry O]

True
We went with proven depth and the following contribution was zero over a long time
Sharenburg
Reid
Broomhead
Varcoe
Langdon
Wills
Dunne
Add the
Treloar hammie's
Stephenson discipline
Phillips surpassed


First time in a long time we enter a season without 6 maybes and 4 wonts
Gives
Rantall
Kelly
Murphy
Seir
Browns
Bianco
Ruscoe
Wilson
Keane
Tohill

A run at it

I expect 4 to be regulars


Also saved heaps
Get that cherrie on top

Reminds me of the year (2012) Bucks cut a heap of depth from the list and was forced to play Yagmoor, Paine, Rounds , Keeffe and Seedsman in round 1 against Hawthorn

 

[jackcass]

Absolutely. I think one experienced player, preferably a versatile kpp/third tall type.

But on the other hand a lot of the depth players we have lost werent really depth at all due to injury age or just being not good enough. In fact they were the reason we NEEDED depth... to cover for the fact the depth players were always injured!!

If it comes to it, I’d rather we give those games to the kids we already have rather than some NQR plug & play cast off from another side.

 

[jackcass]

Bucks gets fixated on players in certain roles and lacks the flexibility of thought to deviate much from that. Probably a key reason why 2021 will be his last as a senior coach

Really?

Crisp to defense.
Moore to defense.
Checkers forward.
Daicos to a wing and Phillips forward.
WHE to a wing and HB.
Varcoe forward and back.
Elliott to the midfield.
Mayne forward, wing, HB.
Reid forward.
Roughy forward.
Ruscoe forward.
Appleby forward.
Adams to HB.

As with most teams, crisis drives creativity, but I certainly don’t think Bucks is shy of trying things.

 

[jackcass]

Reminds me of the year (2012) Bucks cut a heap of depth from the list and was forced to play Yagmoor, Paine, Rounds , Keeffe and Seedsman in round 1 against Hawthorn

That was because preferred options were sitting in the stands due to preseason injury or longer than expected rehab from post season surgeries.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If it comes to it, I’d rather we give those games to the kids we already have rather than some NQR plug & play cast off from another side.

Agree, but after taking on so many kids, on extra senior player won’t do any harm. Especially a tall give n our weakness in that area.

 

[Darkyprotector]

Reminds me of the year (2012) Bucks cut a heap of depth from the list and was forced to play Yagmoor, Paine, Rounds , Keeffe and Seedsman in round 1 against Hawthorn

Which shows what crap he was left with by swengali Malthouse

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Which shows what crap he was left with by swengali Malthouse

Malthouse topped up to win a flag with Jolly and Ball and tried to repeat the process a year later with Krakouer and Tarrant. We won a flag so the tactic worked. But it was definitely a short term strategy.

 

[sr36]

Which shows what crap he was left with by swengali Malthouse

He was left with guns in or approaching their prime - Cloke, Swan, Pendles, Sidey, Beams, Shaw, Reid, Thomas - a group of other young premiership players like Wellingham, Goldsack, N Brown, Macaffer, Dawes, Blair and some mid to late 20s guys who were very solid players and should still have had good footy left in them. You can criticise MM for many things, but he left a team in great shape. Bloody rare for a new coach to begin with such a good group.

 

[BEEG]

Out Broomhead
In Murphy

The ultimate hype man anyway..

Randall is a chance

Macrae I see playing from game 1

Seir hopefully takes the chance

McCreery is almost a lock can't be hard to replace Thomas

 

[Darkyprotector]

He was left with guns in or approaching their prime - Cloke, Swan, Pendles, Sidey, Beams, Shaw, Reid, Thomas - a group of other young premiership players like Wellingham, Goldsack, N Brown, Macaffer, Dawes, Blair and some mid to late 20s guys who were very solid players and should still have had good footy left in them. You can criticise MM for many things, but he left a team in great shape. Bloody rare for a new coach to begin with such a good group.

REALLY
Dawes broken knuckle
Wellingham discipline
Brown knee
Reid quad
Thomas
Shaw
O'Brien all manipulated

 

[sr36]

REALLY
Dawes broken knuckle
Wellingham discipline
Brown knee
Reid quad
Thomas
Shaw
O'Brien all manipulated

None of them had issues when Bucks took over - except for Brown's knee.

 

[Black_White]

Not really sure who Max Lynch is, but he only had 2 votes.
So I’m all in!
Go Maxy!!

 

[ksardog]

Which shows what crap he was left with by swengali Malthouse

that ‘crap’ made a prelim that year, and we all know what happened prelim week. Side was clearly good enough

 

[jackcass]

Agree, but after taking on so many kids, on extra senior player won’t do any harm. Especially a tall give n our weakness in that area.

Happy to agree to disagree. Our starting talls will likely be Roughy, Moore, Checkers, and Cox. Grundy in the ruck. Those with some senior experience are Kelly, Keane, Madgen, Lynch and Cameron. Beyond that we have Tohill, Wilson, McMahon. I doubt we’d ever see a time when all of Tohill, Wilson, and McMahon play together in 2021 but I’d rather see 1 of them get an opportunity than some “break glass in case of emergency” type. The net gain/loss is likely to be negligible.

 

[Darkyprotector]

REALLY
Dawes broken knuckle
Wellingham discipline
Brown knee
Reid quad
Thomas
Shaw
O'Brien all manipulated

Rubbish
2011 grand final Reid quad

Dawes knuckle 2011
Shaw constantly in the shit
O'Brien acting like a tool
Thomas brain washed
Wellingham buddy with buddy

 

[Darkyprotector]

that ‘crap’ made a prelim that year, and we all know what happened prelim week. Side was clearly good enough

Yeah couple that crap with swans freak injury
And no it was miles away

Hence the rebuild

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Happy to agree to disagree. Our starting talls will likely be Roughy, Moore, Checkers, and Cox. Grundy in the ruck. Those with some senior experience are Kelly, Keane, Madgen, Lynch and Cameron. Beyond that we have Tohill, Wilson, McMahon. I doubt we’d ever see a time when all of Tohill, Wilson, and McMahon play together in 2021 but I’d rather see 1 of them get an opportunity than some “break glass in case of emergency” type. The net gain/loss is likely to be negligible.

I get your point but I think you are seriously overstating the definition of “experienced”... by setting the bar at one game.

Kelly Keane and Lynch have played one career game each whilst Cameron also didn’t debut until this year and is more a ruck than a kpp, so realistically only cover for Grundy and Cox. Madgen is currently best 22, so technically he’s not depth until he gets dropped back to the VFL. And he’s not especially tall either.

 

[jackcass]

I get your point but I think you are seriously overstating the definition of “experienced”... by setting the bar at one game.

Kelly Keane and Lynch have played one career game each whilst Cameron also didn’t debut until this year and is more a ruck than a kpp, so realistically only cover for Grundy and Cox. Madgen is currently best 22, so technically he’s not depth until he gets dropped back to the VFL. And he’s not especially tall either.

Bit of difference between “experienced” and “some senior experience” I’d have thought.

Cameron played as much if not more forward as he did ruck.

Madge is currently best 22 as a 3rd tall type. I was suggesting he could slot into a KP role.

 

[gouki88]

Bucks tends to start the season with a senior team (although who knows given his contract is expiring and change is afoot generally speaking). However, there seems to be some really highly rated youth internally. I think, or maybe hope, by the end of the year the team will look like this:

FB: Howe - Roughead - Maynard
HB: Crisp - Moore - Quaynor
C: Daicos - De Goey - Macrae
HF: Elliott - Kelly - Mihocek
FF: Sidebottom - Cox - Henry
FOLL: Grundy - Pendlebury - Adams
INT: Sier - Murphy - Rantall - Madgen/Noble

Noble and Madgen I imagine would be situational. Madgen is the more versatile defender but Noble can play upfield if need be.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Bit of difference between “experienced” and “some senior experience” I’d have thought.

Cameron played as much if not more forward as he did ruck.

Madge is currently best 22 as a 3rd tall type. I was suggesting he could slot into a KP role.

My point was that another experienced taller player would be handy (edit... my original wording was "senior player". Ruling out the one gamers and zero gamers as not being “ experienced “ by definition, that really leaves Madgen and Cameron.

One of them is already in our best 22 whilst Cameron is 25 years old and with almost zero credentials to date as a key position player.

If younger players come on quickly then great, our depth player can stay in the vfl as a leader and mentor. If not , we are in a world of pain if we lose a couple of our better kpps.

 

[ClaytonM]

Bucks tends to start the season with a senior team (although who knows given his contract is expiring and change is afoot generally speaking). However, there seems to be some really highly rated youth internally. I think, or maybe hope, by the end of the year the team will look like this:

FB: Howe - Roughead - Maynard
HB: Crisp - Moore - Quaynor
C: Daicos - De Goey - Macrae
HF: Elliott - Kelly - Mihocek
FF: Sidebottom - Cox - Henry
FOLL: Grundy - Pendlebury - Adams
INT: Sier - Murphy - Rantall - Madgen/Noble

Noble and Madgen I imagine would be situational. Madgen is the more versatile defender but Noble can play upfield if need be.

Close to what I would like to see but think McCreery gets a game before Henry otherwise forward line lacks pace/defensive pressure.

By end of year I would like to see Roughead out but not sure Madgen can take his role and see no others capable. If he could them I would like Keane to be on the bench.

Sier, Murphy and Randall on bench works for me, but happy if any of Reef, Henry, Poulter or Russo replace them.

 

[gouki88]

Close to what I would like to see but think McCreery gets a game before Henry otherwise forward line lacks pace/defensive pressure.

By end of year I would like to see Roughead out but not sure Madgen can take his role and see no others capable. If he could them I would like Keane to be on the bench.

Sier, Murphy and Randall on bench works for me, but happy if any of Reef, Henry, Poulter or Russo replace them.

I can't pretend to know enough about McCreery, but he's a bit older so it wouldn't be a shock at all.

I too hope Roughy can be pushed out. He was looking slow last year. Maybe Kelly moves down there, I don't know. Madgen seems to struggle with the bigger KPFs that Rough specialises in.

Yeah, would be happy for that too. Think Sier & Murph are likely ahead of them due to age - particularly the Bear, given what he's shown.

 

[frizzle]

There are a few players at the club that people have written off already

I"ll be interested to watch the following who could all pleasantly surprise people

Callum Brown
Will Hoskin-Elliott

32

Will Hoskin-elliott

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.0

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

4.7

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.2

4star

MG

232.7

4star

D

11.1

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

3.6

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

180.6

3star

D

12.4

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

Mark Keane
Tyler Brown

21

Tyler Brown

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.6

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.6

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

7.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

Brayden Sier

36

Brayden Sier

Age

26

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

10.4

5star

M

1.2

2star

T

4.3

5star

CL

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.4

5star

.

I’m still bullish on both Brown brothers making it. Keane perhaps but I haven’t seen enough of him to be honest.
WHE will be same old same old. If that is acceptable is open to interpretation. I don’t think we utilise him well.
Sier I still have my doubts. 2021 will be make or break for him.

 

[LuckyLee]

I’m still bullish on both Brown brothers making it. Keane perhaps but I haven’t seen enough of him to be honest.
WHE will be same old same old. If that is acceptable is open to interpretation. I don’t think we utilise him well.
Sier I still have my doubts. 2021 will be make or break for him.

I have hopes for Tyler Brown but apart from work-ethic, how can you prefer Cal Brown over Sier? Personally, I can’t think of an AFL level trait that Brown has, other than heart. Opposition coaches would love seeing him named for us, as they know he has no X-factor and won’t hurt them. From my viewing of the two, Sier has already put together a much better highlights reel (from fewer than half as many games) and has so much more upside. His vision and ability to link up with and release team-mates into attacking thrusts is something we desperately need. Cal Brown is a great Collingwood person but footy is ruthless and I just don’t see what he can contribute to a crack at a Premiership.


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[frizzle]

I have hopes for Tyler Brown but apart from work-ethic, how can you prefer Cal Brown over Sier? Personally, I can’t think of an AFL level trait that Brown has, other than heart. Opposition coaches would love seeing him named for us, as they know he has no X-factor and won’t hurt them. From my viewing of the two, Sier has already put together a much better highlights reel (from fewer than half as many games) and has so much more upside. His vision and ability to link up with and release team-mates into attacking thrusts is something we desperately need. Cal Brown is a great Collingwood person but footy is ruthless and I just don’t see what he can contribute to a crack at a Premiership.


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Cal has speed & a decent sidestep. Also still has youth on his side. Sier has the ability, I’m just not sure he wants it enough.
It’s okay to have differing opinions. Both can be invisible way too easy at the moment & are going to need big years.