Who are the worst free kick stagers in the game ?

[The Fireman]

As has been said a million times he dives forward when he goes for a mark whether and it has nothing to do with playing for a free kick. He goes to ground too easy at times (that is not diving IMO - he's under no obligation to hold his ground if he's getting pushed in the back) and looks at the umpire which can be annoying when you think he should be making a second effort but you could count on one hand the amount of times he's dived just to get a free kick when there has been no contact and I challenge anyone to show me more than a handful of cases on video.

Brad Johnson is a lot worse than Lloyd as far as forwards go and so are a LOT of midfielders, including Monfries from my club.

Look I realize by your post how totally biased you are, but please give some credit to everyone else that believes he is the top stager for frees. You say you know of a handful of cases where he has dived for a free, well at least thats a start (you have admitted he is a diver ), now take the blinkers off and have another look.
Or do you honestly believe everyone is wrong except you?

 

[Darealrath]

Look I realize by your post how totally biased you are, but please give some credit to everyone else that believes he is the top stager for frees. You say you know of a handful of cases where he has dived for a free, well at least thats a start (you have admitted he is a diver ), now take the blinkers off and have another look.
Or do you honestly believe everyone is wrong except you?

I'd say I've him watching a lot more often and a lot closer than 99.99% of the sheep who call him a diver.

You're falling back on the "he's just bias" argument but I've happily acknowledged Monfries as a diver in that he makes out likes he's been pushed in the back every time he gets tackled. A lot of midfielders do that and I hate it, but they seem immune to any large scale criticism for some reason.

I've said he goes to ground easy but that isn't diving. Diving is when you fake contact and dive to the ground trying to con the umpire into giving you a free kick. He doesn't do that. People think he's diving for a free kick when it's just the way he goes for a mark. It's to make it impossible to spoil and one of the reason he's of the AFL's greatest ever goal kickers. It also means he's got no grounding so any contact to his back is accentuated through no fault of his own. Watch him closely next season and this will be obvious.

Like I said, show me video footage if you want to prove me wrong.

 

[The Fireman]

I'd say I've him watching a lot more often and a lot closer than 99.99% of the sheep who call him a diver.

You're falling back on the "he's just bias" argument but I've happily acknowledged Monfries as a diver in that he makes out likes he's been pushed in the back every time he gets tackled. A lot of midfielders do that and I hate it, but they seem immune to any large scale criticism for some reason.

I've said he goes to ground easy but that isn't diving. Diving is when you fake contact and dive to the ground trying to con the umpire into giving you a free kick. He doesn't do that. People think he's diving for a free kick when it's just the way he goes for a mark. It's to make it impossible to spoil and one of the reason he's of the AFL's greatest ever goal kickers. It also means he's got no grounding so any contact to his back is accentuated through fault of his own. Watch him closely next season and this will be obvious.

Like I said, show me video footage if you want to prove me wrong.

Ummm you said this...

but you could count on one hand the amount of times he's dived just to get a free kick when there has been no contact and I challenge anyone to show me more than a handful of cases on video.

Are you playing with a full deck?

 

[Darealrath]

Ummm you said this...Are you playing with a full deck?

I think he's done it once or twice in his career that I can remember. Because of those couple times people think he always does it. This is not true, and this is why I asked you to show me 5 examples. I don't think they exist.

For example I've seen Buckley do it once, but I don't think that makes him a diver.

Nice of you to conveniently ignore everything else I said and try to find a technicality.

 

[SirJimi05]

is he ?

who knows.. coz he's done jack

the bloke better start doing SOMETHING soon or he's in the BF dudbin

Bollox i acctually consider you as being someone who knows a bit about footy but youv'e lost me with that call. Monfries would be the bravest player at our club and i think he has shown quite a bit for such a young player. I think you need to remember that he only turned 20 this year and has been in the system for a couple of years. He averaged 15 odd possies a game from the forward pocket/hf line which isn't a bad effort and he is a guy who uses every possesion well. I would love to see him move into the MF next year and if he does he should surprise a few. If he does go into the MF next year he will start averaging 20-25 possies a game. He played in the MF agianst Carlton this year and had about 25 possesions, 8 marks and 2 goals, if you had of watched that game you would have to agree that he showed something that night? To say that he has shown nothing is very naive imo.

 

[The Fireman]

Nice of you to conveniently ignore everything else I said and try to find a technicality.

a technicality...you contradicted yourself I give up.

 

[Windas_Magic]

Bollox i acctually consider you as being someone who knows a bit about footy but youv'e lost me with that call. Monfries would be the bravest player at our club and i think he has shown quite a bit for such a young player. I think you need to remember that he only turned 20 this year and has been in the system for a couple of years. He averaged 15 odd possies a game from the forward pocket/hf line which isn't a bad effort and he is a guy who uses every possesion well. I would love to see him move into the MF next year and if he does he should surprise a few. If he does go into the MF next year he will start averaging 20-25 possies a game. He played in the MF agianst Carlton this year and had about 25 possesions, 8 marks and 2 goals, if you had of watched that game you would have to agree that he showed something that night? To say that he has shown nothing is very naive imo.

Totally agree, really stood up in the third quarter when the game was in the balance. Kicked that cructial goal from the centre bounce and set up a few as well.

 

[Darealrath]

a technicality...you contradicted yourself I give up.

You seem to think "does not" = "never has". It does not, and never has.

I also said "you could count on one hand the amount of times he's dived just to get a free kick when there has been no contact and I challenge anyone to show me more than a handful of cases on video".

You have no argument. Show me the video or stop wasting my time.

 

[DarwinRoo]

Im suprised no one has mentioned the player with a spring loaded neck in Corey Jones.

 

[The Fireman]

You seem to think "does not" = "never has". It does not, and never has.

I also said "you could count on one hand the amount of times he's dived just to get a free kick when there has been no contact and I challenge anyone to show me more than a handful of cases on video".

You have no argument. Show me the video or stop wasting my time.

Give it a rest, you got caught out.

Is anyone else reading what this guy said?

 

[Darealrath]

Give it a rest, you got caught out.

No I didn't. I explained it quite clearly. You are really struggling here.

PM me when you have the video. I'm not going to bother to read your crap anymore. I've only asked for 5 remember. Surprised if you can't find it all in one match the way people carry on.

 

[SirJimi05]

Give it a rest, you got caught out.

Is anyone else reading what this guy said?

Mate, i don't think one Essendon supporter has denied that Lloyd dives but for some reason you expect some sort of affirmation from everybody. Get over yourslef would you.

Lloyd dives. It has been his natural marking action from the first time he stepped on an AFL arena. If you have watched him since his first game you will know this. You will also know that he throws himself forward instinctively when going for a mark, even if he is clear of a defender. It is a tactic he has always used to give himself leverage from a defender. I guarantee that if you pay close attention to him in the future you will see that many of the marks he takes he ends up on the ground beacause he propels himslef forward just prior to taking the mark.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=k851vfRrMMA

This is an example of the way he throws himself forward in marking duals. I think this is what the other guy was trying to explain to you but you didn't seem to comprehend what he was saying for some reason.

 

[The Fireman]

No I didn't. I explained it quite clearly. You are really struggling here.

PM me when you have the video. I'm not going to bother to read your crap anymore. I've only asked for 5 remember. Surprised if you can't find it all in one match the way people carry on.

you admitted he dives for frees then tried to deny it.Who is struggling??

but you could count on one hand the amount of times he's dived just to get a free kick when there has been no contact and I challenge anyone to show me more than a handful of cases on video.

I've said he goes to ground easy but that isn't diving. Diving is when you fake contact and dive to the ground trying to con the umpire into giving you a free kick. He doesn't do that. People think he's diving for a free kick when it's just the way he goes for a mark. It's to make it impossible to spoil and one of the reason he's of the AFL's greatest ever goal kickers. It also means he's got no grounding so any contact to his back is accentuated through no fault of his own. Watch him closely next season and this will be obvious..

 

[DarwinRoo]

Troy Makepeace says Chris Tarrant.

 

[The Fireman]

Mate, i don't think one Essendon supporter has denied that Lloyd dives but for some reason you expect some sort of affirmation from everybody. Get over yourslef would you.

Lloyd dives. It has been his natural marking action from the first time he stepped on an AFL arena. If you have watched him since his first game you will know this. You will also know that he throws himself forward instinctively when going for a mark, even if he is clear of a defender. It is a tactic he has always used to give himself leverage from a defender. I guarantee that if you pay close attention to him in the future you will see that many of the marks he takes he ends up on the ground beacause he propels himslef forward just prior to taking the mark.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=k851vfRrMMA

This is an example of the way he throws himself forward in marking duals. I think this is what the other guy was trying to explain to you but you didn't seem to comprehend what he was saying for some reason.

The other guy as you put it admitted Lloyd stages for frees, and I think I'm over myself when I tell you the majority see Lloyd as the number one offender, there is no doubt, as dumb as he is, he will change his game, he has to, the umps are onto him.

 

[SirJimi05]

The other guy as you put it admitted Lloyd stages for frees, and I think I'm over myself when I tell you the majority see Lloyd as the number one offender, there is no doubt, as dumb as he is, he will change his game, he has to, the umps are onto him.

Lloyd has played the same way for 12 years, i don't think you will see him changing the way he playes now just because some St Kilda supporter on a football forum thinks the umpires are onto him. What a stupid comment anyway! He hardly ever get's any frees so i think if anything the umpires 'were onto him' a very, very long time ago. You can call Lloyd a diver and that is all good and well but if you now want to imply that he get's looked after by the umpires you are clearly embarrassing yourself. If you want to look at favorable treatment towards players look no further than the guy they call the Roo, down at Moorabbin (or is it Frankston?).

 

[Burzum]

Lloyd does dive, but it's not as bad as it was a few years ago.

 

[.Shotties.]

However Nick Riewoldt gets alot of cheap frees. I can only assume the umpires want to have his babies.

They can't say no to those puppy dog eyes that say "No free? But I fell on the ground and now I'm diiirtyyy!"

 

[The Fireman]

Lloyd has played the same way for 12 years, i don't think you will see him changing the way he playes now just because some St Kilda supporter on a football forum thinks the umpires are onto him. What a stupid comment anyway! He hardly ever get's any frees so i think if anything the umpires 'were onto him' a very, very long time ago. You can call Lloyd a diver and that is all good and well but if you now want to imply that he get's looked after by the umpires you are clearly embarrassing yourself. If you want to look at favorable treatment towards players look no further than the guy they call the Roo, down at Moorabbin (or is it Frankston?).

ooh it appears I have upset you, moorabbin..Frankston... am I dealing with a school kid here?.
Now back to the issue. You don't seem to realise that it's not only a StKilda supporter on a forum that thinks this way, it's everyone, Lloyd is a known stager, the Umps know it and he now pays the price. But he is the best at it and you are kidding yourself if you don't realise it.
I'm afraid mate , you are the one embarrassing himself.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

I had a feeling that Lloydy would be No.1 on most guys here but it just highlights how clueless the bigfooty community is.

Lloyd is no saint and does dive but it's his natural marking action when leading in front and all it takes is a slight nudge to put him off balance. He does not go looking for frees in general play.

Now lets talk about real stagers..

Bewick - was a pretty bad offender in his day
Libba, Romero and the others a few years back. Would drop to the ground after instigating contact.

Didak - My no. 1 stager at the moment. Looks for a free in every contest.
Neon Leon - No. 2.
Jeff Farmer.
Brent Harvey
Lance Franklin - learning the trade quickly
Kane Cornes
Shane Crawford
Milne

And there's a whole lot more. Just find your nearest goal sneak or small midfielder and he's likely to be a stager.

 

[windyhill]

They can't say no to those puppy dog eyes that say "No free? But I fell on the ground and now I'm diiirtyyy!"

" Let me help you up Nicky and while we`re at it come and play in the Umpy`s sandpit it`s 50 metre`s this way"

 

[The Fireman]

I had a feeling that Lloydy would be No.1 on most guys here

A very reasonable assumption.

 

[mark73]

Could'nt be worse than Johnson/West....culture was started back in romeros day all mouth alah libba (sh11tt) then would throw himself around like a girl.

Didak is a shocker also

I can't believe he hasn't been mentioned. He's up there with Lloyd in the dive stakes.
And Harvey isn't one of the worst stagers, he's actually one of the best.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

There's a definite theme emerging here - it seems that forwards are far more likely to stage for free kicks than defenders. Particularly the small to mid-sized variety. At least, that's the perception.

Which probably makes sense. The consequences of taking yourself out of a contest on the off. It would, in all likelihood, concede a goal against your team, and worse still to your direct opponent. Whereas for a forward a non-decision would result, at worst, in a rebound from defensive 50.

The only backman I can remember who was a compulsive stager was Gavin Wanganeen. He'd perfected the technique of flicking his head back whiplash-style when accosted to simulate a high tackle. He was a true master of the art.

 

[SirJimi05]

" Let me help you up Nicky and while we`re at it come and play in the Umpy`s sandpit it`s 50 metre`s this way"

We all know why would win the umpires pet award......