Who do you think is the best indigenous person to ever play?

[H2F]

Given there is absolutely no consensus after all these posts how about I give a scenario to help...

5 mins to go in a Grand Final and your team is a goal or two behind.

For me it is Shaun Burgoyne. Every single time we are in that position he either kicks the goals or sets them up ...

If he was at your club you'd love him as I do. Just a superstar in every sense of the word. No cameos, no brownlows, just 300 games 4 premierships and the second highest winning percentage of any player ever to play 300 games.

 

[Bedi]

easily Cyril Rioli. But Wanganeen very close 2nd. Winmar, McLeod, Goodes, Franklin all a step down.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Hard to choose.

Farmer revolutionised the way ruck men played, and how handball was used in the game. He was the model for what is now the mobile tall. He caned it in both VFL and WAFL. It's understandable he is considered the best.

In my time it would be Goodes, he carried brilliant form for a loooong time and his career was seriously decorated (both team and individual). Very consistent and capable of changing the cause of game when in his prime. Also played multiple roles. Franklin is really exciting to watch, but a bit too inconsistent. Cyril is also a gem, but he is burst player, and I don't rate small forwards as 'all time greats'. That and Maurice Rioli was better, IMO.

 

[Catfish Alley]

easily Cyril Rioli.

Not even the best in his family.

 

[GreyCrow]

Given there is absolutely no consensus after all these posts how about I give a scenario to help...

5 mins to go in a Grand Final and your team is a goal or two behind.

For me it is Shaun Burgoyne. Every single time we are in that position he either kicks the goals or sets them up ...

If he was at your club you'd love him as I do. Just a superstar in every sense of the word. No cameos, no brownlows, just 300 games 4 premierships and the second highest winning percentage of any player ever to play 300 games.

There would still be no consensus.

I would pick McLeod , others Long , many Franklin even many more would still pick Polly

 

[captain cotch 9]

Not even the best in his family.

Yer Daniel is a gun

 

[Drewie11]

easily Cyril Rioli. But Wanganeen very close 2nd. Winmar, McLeod, Goodes, Franklin all a step down.

Hahaha. Thanks for that. I haven't had a good laugh like that for a while.

 

[Off Tap]

The best I've seen are Cable, Michael, Matera and Goodes.

It's hard to line the 4 up as they played their best in different decades but Goodes' record is hard to beat.

 

[threesixpio]

Buddy would be a fair chance to claim it once retired imo

If Buddy clunks them as regularly as has been at the Swans and his 2008 year and he doesn't miss set shots and he has 5 more years playing - Buddy. Champion.

 

[Kwality]

Swan river? Ah no mate, doesn't run under any river

roger that, that was a bridge back there - might explain me being booked exiting the tunnel out Leederville way, unbudgeted expense that !!
Didn't think of Graham Farmer kindly on that occasion.

 

[Kwality]

If Buddy clunks them as regularly as has been at the Swans and his 2008 year and he doesn't miss set shots and he has 5 more years playing - Buddy. Champion.

Buddy is up there but its always difficult to judge mid career.

 

[threesixpio]

Buddy is up there but its always difficult to judge mid career.

Yep - plenty of ifs in my post. I agree - too early. As much as I hate that he's left I still love watching him play. Nothing beats being big, strong, fast and then having x factor. Crazy combo of attributes.

 

[Kwality]

Last 20 years I'd be looking at Goodes and McLeod. Shaun Burgoyne not far behind, if at all.

No argument with those mentioned but I suggest you forgot Gavin Wanganeen, his premierships & taking on the role as Ports inaugural captain, first indigenous player to 300 AFL games, & a few more SANFL games.
Lucky enough to see him play in his first year with the Port Magpies, before he was drafted by the Bombers.

 

[H2F]

Can someone tell me why Burgoyne isn't considered better than Goodes? McLeod I can see the case but there is no way I'd rather Goode's than Burgoyne. Goode's is a superstar but Burgoyne and McLeod have shown to be another level again.

 

[1970crow]

No argument with those mentioned but I suggest you forgot Gavin Wanganeen, his premierships & taking on the role as Ports inaugural captain, first indigenous player to 300 AFL games, & a few more SANFL games.
Lucky enough to see him play in his first year with the Port Magpies, before he was drafted by the Bombers.

I played a few games with him in U15's, was amazing to see him first hand, even in that age group. Wasn't the best player for total output in our team, which he only played for intermittently, but when he got near it, it really was something else. Definitely did forget him, he's right up there as well.

 

[Catfish Alley]

Can someone tell me why Burgoyne isn't considered better than Goodes? McLeod I can see the case but there is no way I'd rather Goode's than Burgoyne. Goode's is a superstar but Burgoyne and McLeod have shown to be another level again.

Great record over his career. I never thought he was the best player in his teams though. If you weren't the best in your team I find it difficult to call them the most talented indigenous player of all time.

 

[H2F]

Great record over his career. I never thought he was the best player in his teams though. If you weren't the best in your team I find it difficult to call them the most talented indigenous player of all time.

It's like people who only use stats sheets to rate players.

I feel his two brownlows are influencing people here.

McLeod and Burgoyne could do anything and their best 5 games eclipse Goodes best game with the exception of the 2012 Grand Final where he was unbelievable ...

 

[GreyCrow]

It's like people who only use stats sheets to rate players.

I feel his two brownlows are influencing people here.

McLeod and Burgoyne could do anything and their best 5 games eclipse Goodes best game with the exception of the 2012 Grand Final where he was unbelievable ...

And who he plays for now is influencing yours?

He definitely is a quality player. I don't think nobody has forgotten him just that others come to mind easier. And maybe that's a sign that Burgoyne plays in a team team rather than having to star individually and bring his side up to standard

 

[H2F]

And who he plays for now is influencing yours?

He definitely is a quality player. I don't think nobody has forgotten him just that others come to mind easier. And maybe that's a sign that Burgoyne plays in a team team rather than having to star individually and bring his side up to standard

Ok I'll say it this way.

If you could have an 18 year old Goodes or Buddy not one coach in the league would choose Goodes.

Same team and all ...

 

[JackOutback]

Can someone tell me why Burgoyne isn't considered better than Goodes? McLeod I can see the case but there is no way I'd rather Goode's than Burgoyne. Goode's is a superstar but Burgoyne and McLeod have shown to be another level again.

Because he's a large step behind him, which pretty much everyone bar Hawks supporters recognise.

 

[H2F]

Because he's a large step behind him, which pretty much everyone bar Hawks supporters recognise.

So now you've seen Buddy in action and you disagree.

Wow I must under-rate Goodes.

 

[Kram]

Can someone tell me why Burgoyne isn't considered better than Goodes? McLeod I can see the case but there is no way I'd rather Goode's than Burgoyne. Goode's is a superstar but Burgoyne and McLeod have shown to be another level again.

Gotta be a wind up.

 

[JackOutback]

So now you've seen Buddy in action and you disagree.

Wow I must under-rate Goodes.

We were talking about Burgoyne, not Buddy. And yes, you underrate Goodes.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

So now you've seen Buddy in action and you disagree.

Wow I must under-rate Goodes.

Certainly sounds like it when you're arguing Burgoyne is better...

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Neil Elvis Winmar just off the main group?