Who goes out for?

[1980]

I really don't like this philosophy. It's out-dated, if it ever were relevant.

Essendon are are a completely different team to West Coast, and play are very different style of football. We play them on a ground that is dimensionally very different to Subiaco, and probably in quite different conditions weather-wise.

If we want to beat Essendon, we need to pick a team that is best suited to beating Essendon, in terms of match-ups, fitness and form. That doesn't involve simply "rewarding" players for one good match, nor does it include dropping young players just because an older player has suddenly become available.

Normally Richo plays well against Essendon at the MCG, so if he's fit he should be immediately recalled. And with Lloyd and Lucas starting to look threatening maybe we need Thursfield to take one of them if he too is up for it. But we need to pick our Best 22 for Essendon, not necessarily our most deserving 22.

And we need to keep our eye on the prize, which is a lot further down the track than 2008.

You are right. But think about it in the context of a developing team and that you want to give your young players confidence.

An unchanged side sends them a big message

 

[Madtiger2006]

Thursty in for Polo maybe ?

Richo.... Probably Conners even though he was good today,

No way. Polo is a top young player and has been one of our best the last 2 weeks. He has to work harder than any player to get a game as he doesn't seem to be one of Terrys pets. Polo should play every week, he's a top young player who will get better and better

 

[krustyman]

Stop living in the past and start looking to the future. It is time to stop relying on Richo to be the one who delivers and put the acid on others to step up and deliver for the side. Show some confidence in Hughes, Riewoldt, Morton who combined for 9 goals between them.

Imagine how much more confident those 3 would become if Wallace was to say to them we're playing you 3 next week against the Bombers and they stepped up and won the game for us. Imagine how much confidence the team would have in them if that happened.

As I said in another thread the time has come to start finding out if the young players are able to stand up and deliver for this club. We aren't going to find out if they are, if we're still relying on Richo to be the one who steps up when a big game needs to be won.

stop getting carried away with a win against a side that had nothing to play for. those players were in the same team that got hammered by the blues a week back. rich is versatile and can play across the ground.

show some respect for once in your life!

 

[marco polo]

No way. Polo is a top young player and has been one of our best the last 2 weeks. He has to work harder than any player to get a game as he doesn't seem to be one of Terrys pets. Polo should play every week, he's a top young player who will get better and better

Agree Thought Polo was good today, definately did his job.

Very tough week for the selection panel though if Richo and Thursfield come up.

I'd say Thursfield in for McGuane, and Richo in for one of Hughes/Edwards/Connors...probably Hughes to replace a tall with a tall which is unfortunate as I like the way he's been playing. All depends on matchup's I suppose?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

yep ... our cricket team started it many years ago ... horses for courses

and in any case .. if Richo is fit he plays its as simple as that , and Thursfield will always get a game ahead of Mc Guane when fit... no brainer

Was exactly what I was thinking, ID.

But think about it in the context of a developing team and that you want to give your young players confidence.

An unchanged side sends them a big message

You're right that getting selected for the next match is some sort of positive reinforcement for your efforts during the previous match. But where that theory falls flat is that rewarding individuals for the performance of their team-mates is faulty reinforcement.

It's all about the betterment of the team.

 

[krustyman]

Agree Thought Polo was good today, definately did his job.

Very tough week for the selection panel though if Richo and Thursfield come up.

I'd say Thursfield in for McGuane, and Richo in for one of Hughes/Edwards/Connors...probably Hughes to replace a tall with a tall which is unfortunate as I like the way he's been playing. All depends on matchup's I suppose?

tambling can also be added to the list.

 

[kainokaino]

Ins: Richo/ Thurstfield
Outs: Hughes/ McGuane

You would have to think thats how it would go.

 

[getthefooty]

Richo will come back in if fit. If he was left out I would say it only puts added pressure on Riewoldt and co., i.e you are in and Richo is out so you better bloody play well to warrant the decision, which is not good, they need the freedom of thought. Just keep Richo on the wing, we are not relying on him to kick goals and he can make his usual brilliant contribution.

 

[_RT_]

Hughes will be unlucky if dropped and to be honest, any player dropped will be. Edwards won't be dropped.

Surely that is the end of Hyde as well.

PS - Realistic Tiger: I am being realistic.

So the solution for Richo to come back it to drop Hughes again because he had 1 quiet game again. No wonder we can't develop any consistency in our young players when they get dropped after 1 quiet game.

Regarding Richo, he did his hammy and that is normally a 21 day injury, next Saturday will be 21 days since he did the hammy. Seeing he is 33 and has had a history of hammys, why not give him the extra weeks rest and put the heat on a few young blokes to see if they can back up their performances against another quality defence instead of relying on Richo again and again and again. Time to start moving forward and stop relying on the old fella to get us across the line when a big game presents itself.

Don't know about you but I would rather know, for certain, that we have players who can replace Richo in 18 months time, than be constantly guessing whether we do. Richo being hurt gives us the perfect chance to find out if thats the case. But it seems you are more interested in feeling good next Saturday night if we beat the Bombers rather than doing that.

I would feel much better next weekend, win lose or draw, if I was sitting here having seen Hughes, Riewoldt and Morton bag 9+ goals between them for the third time in 4 games, instead of watching Richo kick 4-5 goals himself while getting 20 odd touches and those 3 end up with 2-5 goals betweem them because they didn't get the chance.

It is short term vision like yours, that has plagued this club for 25+ years. Focusing on the short term future because it might bring instant short term satisfaction instead of taking a little more broader view of where we are so that the long term future is looked after which will bring a far greater feeling of satifaction.

 

[getthefooty]

So the solution for Richo to come back it to drop Hughes again because he had 1 quiet game again. No wonder we can't develop any consistency in our young players when they get dropped after 1 quiet game.

Regarding Richo, he did his hammy and that is normally a 21 day injury, next Saturday will be 21 days since he did the hammy. Seeing he is 33 and has had a history of hammys, why not give him the extra weeks rest and put the heat on a few young blokes to see if they can back up their performances against another quality defence instead of relying on Richo again and again and again. Time to start moving forward and stop relying on the old fella to get us across the line when a big game presents itself.

Don't know about you but I would rather know, for certain, that we have players who can replace Richo in 18 months time, than be constantly guessing whether we do. Richo being hurt gives us the perfect chance to find out if thats the case. But it seems you are more interested in feeling good next Saturday night if we beat the Bombers rather than doing that.

I would feel much better next weekend, win lose or draw, if I was sitting here having seen Hughes, Riewoldt and Morton bag 9+ goals between them for the third time in 4 games, instead of watching Richo kick 4-5 goals himself while getting 20 odd touches and those 3 end up with 2-5 goals betweem them because they didn't get the chance.

It is short term vision like yours, that has plagued this club for 25+ years. Focusing on the short term future because it might bring instant short term satisfaction instead of taking a little more broader view of where we are so that the long term future is looked after which will bring a far greater feeling of satifaction.

I don't get it - whats wrong with playing him on a wing/halfback?
He is a champion - it sends the wrong message entirely to leave him out.
Having said that I do appreciate where you are coming from with having the future in mind, but surely this is the wrong path to take.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Get real RT. It's attitudes like yours which saw Knights get treated like crap and leave Richmond on bad terms.

Richo is inspiring the young players to be performing as they are this year. We want to beat Essendon, not concede to them at the selection table.

 

[the ranger]

The finals door hasn't completely shut on us yet and it's in our long term interests to get in, or at least to keep the door open as long as possible. A win next week could see us in 9th, half a game out. If Richo's fit, he plays.

 

[_RT_]

What the hell is wrong with you?

Richo is currently among the top 5 players in the AFL and you think he should play for Coburg just because we beat this year's wooden spooners?

Your opinion doesn't make any sense.

We can rely on those 3 players with Richo in the side, how do you justify him not getting a game for this reason? Do you understand that Richo will be taking the place of a midfielder?

Do you?

Have faith in one of the greatest and most passionate Richmond players of all time.

I have no time for heartless supporters who don't think Richo should be getting a game FFS GET ....... Realistic Tiger

Don't think Richo should play for Coburg at all, in fact I don't even think he should play next week period. Simple reason being that Richo will be fronting up 21 days after doing a hammy. A normal hammy takes 21 days to recover fully, Saturday will be 21 days since Richo hurt it against the Blues, I just don't think at 33 there is any point in rushing him back only for it to go again and we lose him for the rest of the season. Would much rather have him fully fit and raring to go when we come up against the Lions Cats & Hawks in the weeks after the Bombers game.

So who is being Heartless? Me or the rest of you who want to rush the big fella back because you all suddenly think we're a chance at making the 8.

stop getting carried away with a win against a side that had nothing to play for. those players were in the same team that got hammered by the blues a week back. rich is versatile and can play across the ground.

show some respect for once in your life!

Not getting carried away at all, in fact I think it is the rest of you who are getting carried away. As you said we beat a team that put the cue in the rack 7 weeks ago. Big deal. But seeing as we did it so comfortably I don't see why you would then go making changes and rush back 2 players who are recovering from hammy's.

 

[_RT_]

Get real RT. It's attitudes like yours which saw Knights get treated like crap and leave Richmond on bad terms.

Richo is inspiring the young players to be performing as they are this year. We want to beat Essendon, not concede to them at the selection table.

OK lets play Richo, less than 3 weeks after a hammy, then next week when he goes down again, we can have a hundred posters jump on the board and say what a stuff up it was to rush him back. Seems like a good idea.

 

[IDGAF]

OK Dr. "Realistic Tiger" MD.

we`ll just let the doctors make the decision ... if he is fit he plays ... simple as that

 

[_RT_]

OK Dr. "Realistic Tiger" MD.

we`ll just let the doctors make the decision ... if he is fit he plays ... simple as that

Got no problem with that, if he is fit he plays but given that the club initially said it was a minor injury and yet 2 weeks later he couldn't be picked to play I just think it would be better to make sure we have Richo for the rest of the season by giving him and extra weeks rest.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

OK lets play Richo, less than 3 weeks after a hammy, then next week when he goes down again, we can have a hundred posters jump on the board and say what a stuff up it was to rush him back. Seems like a good idea.

So you are a doctor.... or a clairvoyant now? Why not leave it to the medical staff at RFC? Richo is not your average athlete. Never has been.

Your line of thinking is so bloody negative. Same as the stupid thread you started the other day "What if we lose to WC?". Looks a little silly after today

You are fast becoming favourite for "Nark-of-the-Year"

 

[kainokaino]

If Richo and Thursty are FIT to play then they will be 2 of the first players selected.

 

[PHX]

Pretty generic but a sign its not a monty for Richo to return.

Wallace said it was still too early to know if Matthew Richardson (hamstring) would be available for next Saturday’s crunch game against Essendon.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=63263

 

[1980]

OK lets play Richo, less than 3 weeks after a hammy, then next week when he goes down again, we can have a hundred posters jump on the board and say what a stuff up it was to rush him back. Seems like a good idea.

You're changing your story RT.

"Stop living in the past and start looking to the future. It is time to stop relying on Richo to be the one who delivers and put the acid on others to step up and deliver for the side. Show some confidence in Hughes, Riewoldt, Morton who combined for 9 goals between them"

Now its

"Dont want him to come back too soon from a hammy"

You're entitled to your view on Richo, but all year its consistently been about showing him the door

 

[_RT_]

You're changing your story RT.

"Stop living in the past and start looking to the future. It is time to stop relying on Richo to be the one who delivers and put the acid on others to step up and deliver for the side. Show some confidence in Hughes, Riewoldt, Morton who combined for 9 goals between them"

Now its

"Dont want him to come back too soon from a hammy"

You're entitled to your view on Richo, but all year its consistently been about showing him the door

My view hasn't changed at all, still think we will be a better side once Richo hangs them up, whether thats in 18 months or 30 months time who knows. However, while he is still part of the best current 22, then we should give him the time to get over his injury and come back into the side when he is fully fit and not before then. Same thing we have done with every other player on the list.

 

[sante]

Got no problem with that, if he is fit he plays but given that the club initially said it was a minor injury and yet 2 weeks later he couldn't be picked to play I just think it would be better to make sure we have Richo for the rest of the season by giving him and extra weeks rest.

That is what the thread was made for... We aren't talking about whether or not he needs another week off. You're just burying yourself deeper and deeper.

IF Richo is fit, who do we drop?

 

[want2spoodge_pettifer]

i like connors. but he seems to get ahead of himself. spends it before he gets it, a little. i'd love to see him again. but:

out: connors, mcguane
in: thursty, richo

but there weren't any real passengers today.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Get real RT. It's attitudes like yours which saw Knights get treated like crap and leave Richmond on bad terms.

I think we all agree here

Got no problem with that, if he is fit he plays

Ahhh changing your tune once you realised how unpopular your opinion was

We're Tiger supporters mate - we can tell when someone is trying to spin themselves out of trouble.

 

[_RT_]

That is what the thread was made for... We aren't talking about whether or not he needs another week off. You're just burying yourself deeper and deeper.

IF Richo is fit, who do we drop?

How am I burying myself deeper? You asked who goes out for Richo and Will if they are ready? I said I'd go unchanged. Which means I don't think they will be ready and whether it is Richo or not I wouldn't bring in a less than 100% player.

However, if Richo is passed fit to play then I would leave out Polo or Connors or Edwards. Would keep both Hughes and McGuane in.