Who has the Most dominant Ruck?

[Stevo]

Originally posted by Porthos
And are they alone?

I'm quite happy to admit that Gardiner is probably a better ruckman than Primus these days - in fact I predicted it last off-season. If you wanted to say that you reckon he's stuffed because of injuries or whatever, thats another possibility I'll concede.

But to say that Primus can't compete with leaping ruckmen is a bit ridiculous going on previous evidence to the contrary....as is the devaluing of his use around the ground. He kicked 23 goals in 2002 - not a bad return for a resting ruckman.

The primary reason for Matt's reduced output this year is soft tissue injury. The last time he was fit, he was #1. Its a long bow to say that he'll be the bitch of `athletic' ruckmen from now on after just 1 year, when they've very rarely done so in the past, even around the ground.

Hehe. I doubt he'll be their bitch, but I can't see him being more than competitive due to the rule and his injuries. If it was only one or the other, then he probably could have battled through and returned to his place as one of the league's best ruckman. But not both.

No doubt, he has real G&D. The image of him crawling after the ball after doing his knee has stuck in my mind. Lesser players would have rolled over and waited for the stretcher. So I wouldn't really be surprised if he had a good year in 2004. But I think it's quite unlikely.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Stevo
From my point of view, he'd be number one at: Essendon, Carlton, Kangaroos, Melbourne, St. Kilda. That's almost a third of the competition, you don't consider that many?

5 clubs isnt 'many'. 12 clubs is 'many'. 5 clubs is 'some'.

As for Brogan/Lade/Primus. Yep, that's pretty deep. But do you really need three ruckmen in one side? Any two of those three don't match Gardiner and Cox, I think.

I disagree. Primus and Brogan easily match Gardiner and Cox. As Porthos said, Cox is a good ruckmen but he doesnt have the around the ground qualities of Brogan.

Lade is a reasonable option as a third forward and Brogan is fantastic playing a kick behind the play or dropping back in defence. With the diversity of Brogan and Lade there is room for 3 ruckmen in the team.

 

[Deestroy]

Originally posted by Stevo
From my point of view, he'd be number one at: Essendon, Carlton, Kangaroos, Melbourne, St. Kilda. That's almost a third of the competition, you don't consider that many?

He would be fighting for the number 1 ruck role at Sandringham with Mark Jamar.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by Macca19
5 clubs isnt 'many'. 12 clubs is 'many'. 5 clubs is 'some'.

12 clubs is most.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by Deestroy
He would be fighting for the number 1 ruck role at Sandringham with Mark Jamar.

Poppycock.

 

[Sheik Mathious]

Port for sure!

But waht about Sydney?

Goodes won a brownlow and Ball is no hack!

 

[sabre_ac]

Gardiner is the dominant ruckman.
Hence eagles have the dominant ruck.
Cox is a glorified hack though.

That said Sandilands will establish himself as a dominant ruckman this season if he isnt already.
And the comination of Simmonds and Sandilands isnt too shabby either.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Gardiner is the dominant ruckman.
Hence eagles have the dominant ruck.

If Gardiner rucked all game each week, you might have a point. He doesn't.

 

[amazingjosh]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Gardiner is the dominant ruckman.
Hence eagles have the dominant ruck.
Cox is a glorified hack though.

That said Sandilands will establish himself as a dominant ruckman this season if he isnt already.
And the comination of Simmonds and Sandilands isnt too shabby either.

Agreed on 1st point...think the question is referring to the strongest ruck combo.

Cox is a not a hack. 33 hit outs, 1 goal, 17 poss, 7 mks vs hawks Rnd 17; 21 poss, 2 goals vs dockers Rnd 22.

Think being in the same side as Gardiner makes Cox look worse than what he is. More to do with the quality of Gardiners taps. He hits it it straight down the midfielders throats and the quality midfield dominate games.

For the Eagles to win games this year they needed their midfield to TOTALLY dominate (look at the forward and back lines, they're not gonna win too many games). When Cox is rucking, it pegs the midfield back a bit, thus the team struggles, and loses more games. It's not cos Cox is ****, its cos Gardiner is awesome. Cos the team loses when Gardiners not there, people say its Cox's fault, but its really just exposing the teams weaknesses in other areas.

Anyway, back to the question, West Coast and Port (only when Primus fully fit) are the best ruck combos, with Swans close....in my opinion.

 

[noodle]

West Coast and Adelaide do it for me.

 

[Blues4Life]

Top 3 for mine when injury free are:
West Coast
Port Adelaide
Sydney

Anything after that is debatable, though Adelaide, Fremantle etc. would make good cases.

 

[Moo://_Cow]

Why don't people rate Steven King?

IMO he's in the top 2 ruckman in the league (along with Gardiner) proving he's fully fit of course, Yet Collingwood gets a mention before Geelong?

 

[guess_who]

Now what kind of knob head would vote for collingwood

 

[Altum Volantes]

Originally posted by guess_who
Now what kind of knob head would vote for collingwood

Same kind of people who voted for all the other teams listed there who obviously don't have the most dominant ruck division . Voting for their team makes them feel better about themselves I assume.

FWIW, I think Port, fit and firing, would have the strongest group, Primus, Brogan and Lade would trump the majority of the league the majority of the time.

 

[DaveW]

This thread is proof that Adelaide's ruckmen are shockingly underrated.

Weren't Clarke and Biglands 1st and 3rd in hit outs in 2003?

 

[Altum Volantes]

Originally posted by DaveW
This thread is proof that Adelaide's ruckmen are shockingly underrated.

Weren't Clarke and Biglands 1st and 3rd in hit outs in 2003?

VERY true.

I'd have them second ahead of probably West Coast/ Brisbane.

Very strong stats.

 

[Doddy]

PORT PORT PORT, PRIMUS LADE BROGAN WITH ACKLAND IN THE WINGS

 

[no1bankteller]

Originally posted by Porthos
He's not had much trouble with them before despite not being a great leaper.

IMO Primus has always struggled agains Gardiner...infact one year at AMI stadium he puprosfully dislocated his shoulder because he was being given a bath.

I think Primus is a good ruckman but I rate both Gardiner and Stephen King way above him as pure ruckman. Plus Primus always s#its himself in front of goals.

 

[liz]

Originally posted by amazingjosh

Anyway, back to the question, West Coast and Port (only when Primus fully fit) are the best ruck combos, with Swans close....in my opinion.

Swans are an interesting case. If you view the main role of the ruck to direct the ball to their players at stoppages then the Swans are very middle-of-the table. Goodes had a few games where he was fantastic in pure rucking terms (with the Port qualifying final being the stand-out) but often he was well beaten in tap-outs. And Ball is an OK stoppage ruckman, not a stand-out.

However, if you're talking about a team that has players who are at least competitive at ball-ups but then can make a really good - sometimes brilliant - contribution around the ground then the Swans are right up there with Goodes, Ball and Hall as a very good pinch-hitting ruckman up forward.

 

[demon_dave]

Originally posted by mightysainters
The Ruck department in football is very important (most of the time) and I think this is St Kilda's real weakness so Who do you think has the best Ruck in the competition? I think West Coast does but with both Adelaide teams very close behind.

give it 2 years and Melbourne will have the best, White, Jolly and Jamar, even if White goes Jolly'd 21 & Jamars 19 both real big blokes..........dave

 

[skipper kelly]

I think Voss would be a better ruckman than Buckley.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by no1bankteller
IMO Primus has always struggled agains Gardiner...infact one year at AMI stadium he puprosfully dislocated his shoulder because he was being given a bath.

Thats kind of amusing. I can't think of a game where Gardiner has given Primus a bath and looking back through the stats, I can't see one either.

I think Primus is a good ruckman but I rate both Gardiner and Stephen King way above him as pure ruckman.

You can feel free to do that, but it doesn't mean they beat him - they're getting their awesome stats against other players. Head to head with the league's best ruckmen, Primus wins much more often than he loses. He might not a purist's ruckman, but he's very bloody effective.

Plus Primus always s#its himself in front of goals.

A career haul of 65 goals, 32 points doesn't scream `bad goal kicker' to me.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by DaveW
This thread is proof that Adelaide's ruckmen are shockingly underrated.

Weren't Clarke and Biglands 1st and 3rd in hit outs in 2003?

I think they're rated the way they are because they're pretty ordinary around the ground and the perception is that they're made to look good by a star midfield.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Porthos
I think they're rated the way they are because they're pretty ordinary around the ground and the perception is that they're made to look good by a star midfield.

But how does the star midfield help Clarke and Biglands get their hand to the ball first?

 

[jod23]

Gardiner is the best ruckmen in the league. And that's all I have to say about that.