Banter Carlton is better in 2024. Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[Chief]

Congrats to Carlton for finishing the season higher on the ladder than us. We botched our season, can't hide from that

At first I thought... what is this doing in the banter thread?

Then:

and Carlton have a great opportunity to make the finals by winning their final round and having Freo bottle it to Port if not. What could possibly go wrong??

 

[Monco Matt]

At first I thought... what is this doing in the banter thread?

Then:

Chief, you know every compliment in here will be served with a grain of salt . But in all seriousness, well done for finishing the year above us on the ladder.

 

[carlton_99]

You would expect the Blueshakes to habe a much bigger gap, when you consider the current combined ladder points of the six double up opponents each club was scheduled to play are currently as follows

Carlton - 244
Collingwood - 312

Pies the better team, Carlton blowing a soft fixture

So the ladder matters again

 

[Chief]

So the ladder matters again

They are Colliewobbling on the definition of "better team".

 

[Monco Matt]

Finishing above us on the ladder does not mean Carlton is the better team, let's not get ahead of ourselves here guys. Settle down!!!

 

[doppleganger]

I'm loving your salt mate, it won't change anything the Pies have been to the mountain top and now falling down the other side.

Salt?

Correct, nothing will change that the Pies beat Carlton twice in 2024, were clearly better than them.

And yes, it is tough to stay on top of the mountain.

 

[Madblue]

Finishing above us on the ladder does not mean Carlton is the better team, let's not get ahead of ourselves here guys. Settle down!!!

So explain to me the purpose of the ladder then and what it means ??

 

[Chief]

 

[nahnah]

I'm looking forward to Nicky becoming a Harley Reid level of Figjam over the off season when he realizes the club he plays for has kept on all the retirement village residents

The retirement village were all little children when carlton last won a premiership

 

[Robertio]

When do you think Carlton will reach the molehill?

We've got a few years on your old boys, I'll say within two.

 

[Chief]

The retirement village were all little children when carlton last won a premiership

What sort of communist utopia is this where people retire at 30 to 35 years old?

Probably the same one where the ladder doesn't mean anything.

 

[nahnah]

What sort of communist utopia is this where people retire at 30 to 35 years old?

Probably the same one where the ladder doesn't mean anything.

Pendlebury refuses to submit to it

 

[Robertio]

Salt?

Correct, nothing will change that the Pies beat Carlton twice in 2024, were clearly better than them.

And yes, it is tough to stay on top of the mountain.

Not clearly mate, went down to the last kick in both games, Pies luckier.

 

[kenneyswarriors]

kenneyswarriors You can laugh at the Collingwood flogs here mate.

LOL, Thanks IBB

 

[nahnah]

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Who is your tip for the flag? I am still backing the swans, think the bombers played them into form, they have a habit of that

 

[Chief]

Who is your tip for the flag? I am still backing the swans, think the bombers played them into form, they have a habit of that

I think it might be a Swans/Giants GF and then it's a flip of the coin. Toby might studs-out them to victory.

 

[doppleganger]

So the ladder matters again

Strength of double up opponents is a pretty important factor that can influence the ladder.

Hence why not bothering with how many "top4" teams a team has played, as again that pretends that their is a large gap between the top4 and 5th, and their aint in 2024.

The ladder aint a proper reflection of who is better, as the season is now effectively a handicapped season.

 

[doppleganger]

Not clearly mate, went down to the last kick in both games, Pies luckier.

Pies put it into neutral in Sir Scott's 400th, 5 goals up early in Q4.

They had done enough and cruised to the line, saving themselves for next week.

 

[Madblue]

Strength of double up opponents is a pretty important factor that can influence the ladder.

Hence why not bothering with how many "top4" teams a team has played, as again that pretends that their is a large gap between the top4 and 5th, and their aint in 2024.

The ladder aint a proper reflection of who is better, as the season is now effectively a handicapped season.

Funny how that changes when the Pies are on top of the ladder or even in the eight

 

[danster168]

Strange flex from a Melbourne supporter. Neil Bullen, Viney, Oliver, Petracca. Imagine having a club culture where that many quality players want out. Rats jumping off the Titanic.
Future first and a second rounder for Petracca? Throw in the methhead?

haha. literally nothing to do Collingwood not making finals so having to talk about Melbourne. 'Flex', how old are you? Come on now.

Yeah they want out so bad that Oliver and Petracca are signed up long term and Viney will stay. Neil Mullen loves the club, that's obvious. Educate yourself.

 

[Monco Matt]

So explain to me the purpose of the ladder then and what it means ??

Ok I'll try to explain the ladder and how it isn't always what it appears to be.

As we all know, ladder positions can often be misleading as the sole definition of which teams are better than others. It can be more of a reflection of a teams draw and ability at any moment in time during the season to score more than the opposition. How often throughout the years do we see teams finish in the Top 4 and then crash out of finals or teams outside the top 4 make a PF or GF, which teams are better in this situation. The Cats will probably finish the season in 4th and Lions in 5th, are the Cats a better team than the Lions? If these two teams played next week would we not favour the Lions as a better team?

For us in 2023 we finished on top with Brisbane 2nd, only just. Brisbane beat us twice in the H&A last year but we beat them in the GF. Before the finals series began an argument could be made to say that Brisbane were a better team than us and this would be a valid statement to make.

This season it can't be denied that Carlton were gifted 5 games against the clear bottom 3 teams when we were given 3 (even though both clubs finished top 6 last year Carlton are given 2 extra wins effectively) and that Collingwood defeated Carlton twice this season. This cannot be overlooked when making a deeper assessment of the "better team" for season 2024 given most likely 1 game will seperate the two sides at seasons end, maybe 0, maybe 2 at most.

So, it should be clear and obvious to those with deeper cerebral thought patterns that once again the might of the Collingwood Football Club has been superior to that of the other team in this discussion for season 2024.

 

[Madblue]

Ok I'll try to expalain the ladder and how it isn't always what it appears to be.

As we all know, ladder positions can often be misleading as the sole definition of which teams are better than others. It can be more of a reflection of a teams draw and ability at any moment in time during the season to score more than the opposition. How often throughout the years do we see teams finish in the Top 4 and then crash out of finals or teams outside the top 4 make a PF or GF, which teams are better in this situation. The Cats will probably finish the season in 4th and Lions in 5th, are the Cats a better team than the Lions? If these two teams played next week would we not favour the Lions as a better team?

For us in 2023 we finished on top with Brisbane 2nd, only just. Brisbane beat us twice in the H&A last year but we beat them in the GF. Before the finals series began an argument could be made to say that Brisbane were a better team than us and this would be a valid statement to make.

This season it can't be denied that Carlton were gifted 5 games against the clear bottom 3 teams when we were given 3 (even though both clubs finished top 6 last year Carlton are given 2 extra wins effectively) and that Collingwood defeated Carlton twice this season. This cannot be overlooked when making a deeper assessment of the "better team" for season 2024 given most likely 1 game will seperate the two sides at seasons end, maybe 0, maybe 2 at most.

So, it should be clear and obvious to those with deeper cerebral thought patterns that once again the might of the Collingwood Football Club has been superior to that of the other team in this discussion for season 2024.

Thanks for the delusional and biased post

 

[BennyGFunk]

Ohhh you fall into the category of one of my favourite supporter types - ‘if you’re not first you may as well be last’.

Technically the old baggers have been great success then!

It takes a special kind of stupid to be a Collingwood apologist, especially when that team crapped all over your face on the biggest stage of all & again served it to you on a platter on Saturday and you want a shit fight with Carlton supporters, I’d suggest most who have been nothing but respectful and full of admiration in how you have built your team from the bottom to sustained finals successes

 

[doppleganger]

Funny how that changes when the Pies are on top of the ladder or even in the eight

Fixture handicapping doesnt change, it is always there.

In 2023, the Pies six double up opponents combined for 340 points - the Blueshakes again had a couple of soft return games as opponents only totalled 288.

Pies being better than Carlton has remained constant though, only way the poor Blueshakes get a win against us is when we aren't needing a result aka a dead rubber.

 

[Robertio]

Ok I'll try to expalain the ladder and how it isn't always what it appears to be.

As we all know, ladder positions can often be misleading as the sole definition of which teams are better than others. It can be more of a reflection of a teams draw and ability at any moment in time during the season to score more than the opposition. How often throughout the years do we see teams finish in the Top 4 and then crash out of finals or teams outside the top 4 make a PF or GF, which teams are better in this situation. The Cats will probably finish the season in 4th and Lions in 5th, are the Cats a better team than the Lions? If these two teams played next week would we not favour the Lions as a better team?

For us in 2023 we finished on top with Brisbane 2nd, only just. Brisbane beat us twice in the H&A last year but we beat them in the GF. Before the finals series began an argument could be made to say that Brisbane were a better team than us and this would be a valid statement to make.

This season it can't be denied that Carlton were gifted 5 games against the clear bottom 3 teams when we were given 3 (even though both clubs finished top 6 last year Carlton are given 2 extra wins effectively) and that Collingwood defeated Carlton twice this season. This cannot be overlooked when making a deeper assessment of the "better team" for season 2024 given most likely 1 game will seperate the two sides at seasons end, maybe 0, maybe 2 at most.

So, it should be clear and obvious to those with deeper cerebral thought patterns that once again the might of the Collingwood Football Club has been superior to that of the other team in this discussion for season 2024.

Carlton defeated a few teams that Collingwood couldn't, it's as simple as that, enjoy the Royal Melbourne Show in September.