Banter Who will be better in 2025, Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[Corn Cobbers]

So you reference McKay's All-Australian, but Houston is just a 'half back flanker'?

Don't All-Australians count for backmen?

Especially two in a row, and the LAST TWO, not 2021

This talking down of Houston will be gold

 

[Fadge]

You’re hiding behind De Konings injury this year to try and make a ‘gotcha’.

Everyone can see it and it’s quite pathetic.

Oh. So he would have performed better than Pendlebury had he not been injured?

Pendlebury also missed games through injury, and played a number of games where he was clearly impacted by injury.

But regardless of 2024, TDK is 25 years old, Pendlebury is 37. Surely there's at least one year where De Koning has outperformed old man Pendlebury, if he's so clearly a better option going into 2025 that 'everyone would pick him ahead of Pendlebury'?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Oh. So he would have performed better than Pendlebury had he not been injured?

Pendlebury also missed games through injury, and played a number of games where he was clearly impacted by injury.

But regardless of 2024, TDK is 25 years old, Pendlebury is 37. Surely there's at least one year where De Koning has outperformed old man Pendlebury, if he's so clearly a better option going into 2025 that 'everyone would pick him ahead of Pendlebury'?

You post some seriously hilarious crapola Fudgey

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Oh. So he would have performed better than Pendlebury had he not been injured?

Pendlebury also missed games through injury, and played a number of games where he was clearly impacted by injury.

But regardless of 2024, TDK is 25 years old, Pendlebury is 37. Surely there's at least one year where De Koning has outperformed old man Pendlebury, if he's so clearly a better option going into 2025 that 'everyone would pick him ahead of Pendlebury'?

I’d say the fact Pendlebury has been in his 30s & 250++ games under his belt for the entirety of TDK’s (a project ruckman), career might have something to do with it???

If you watched any footy in 2024 (you didn’t), you’d see TDK established himself as a premier ruckman of the comp.

You’re a bit busy jerking it to Cox highlights from 7 years ago though.

 

[Fadge]

1 - Cripps
2 - N.Daicos
3 - Curnow
4 - Weitering
5 - Walsh
6 - Houston
7 - Degoey
8 - McKay
9 - Dekoning
10 - Cameron

11 - J.Daicos
12 - Crisp
13 - Newman
14 - Elliot
15 - Saad
16 - Maynard
17 - Mihocek
18 - Cerra
19 - Pendlebury
20 - Quaynor

21 - Acres
22 - E.Hollands
23 - Hill
24 - Perryman
25 - Hewett
26 - Schultz
27 - Sidebottom
28 - Howe
29 - Docherty
30 - McSpud

31 - McGovern
32 - Mitchell
33 - Williams
34 - Pittonet
35 - Fogarty
36 - Lipinski
37 - Hoskin-Elliot
38 - McCreery
39 - Silvagni
40 - Kemp
41 - Boyd
42 - Cottrell
43 - Cincotta

44 - Cox

So Collingwood still with the better list despite some obvious bias selections.

What is Pittonet even doing in this list, let alone at 34 ahead of clear best 22 Collingwood players?

Pendlebury the 19th player picked from the two teams? Yeah, you don't understand the importance of leadership.

Reckon you would swap any player on your list outside of your top 6 for Bobby Hill.

 

[Worm4]

You point out one thing in an attempt to display my bias, and you go with the fact I have Daicos ahead of Cripps?

Well going off the season just completed, cripps is miles ahead of any player in the comp. Yet you continue to ignore 12 best on grounds this year ( Nick got , what , like 5 ? )

 

[CarmenSandiego]

So you reference McKay's All-Australian, but Houston is just a 'half back flanker'?

Don't All-Australians count for backmen?

Check how many different HBF’s vs KPF’s have been All Australian the past 10 years.

Not all positions are equal.

 

[Fadge]

If you watched any footy in 2024 (you didn’t), you’d see TDK established himself as a premier ruckman of the comp.

And yet still, De Koning failed to outperform Pendlebury in 2024.

 

[Bale Dup]

I doff my hat to his wisdom....
and his unparalleled ability to break Carlton posters.

Not "breaking" anyone. They probably leave with the same stuff he trots out over and over and over again.
You sit in a room for long enough listening to a broken record, going round and round, either you leave the room or it drives you mad.

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[CarmenSandiego]

And yet still, De Koning failed to outperform Pendlebury in 2024.

And yet, Collingwood still failed to outperform Carlton in 2024.

 

[Worm4]

And Pendlebury has been a star all of his career, thank you.

Going off this theory , Cripps has out performed Nick in 2 of the past 3 seasons, so you have Nick ranked higher ?
Can't have it both ways

 

[Fadge]

Well going off the season just completed, cripps is miles ahead of any player in the comp. Yet you continue to ignore 12 best on grounds this year ( Nick got , what , like 5 ? )

As I've said on other occasions, you really need to consider ALL the data, not just whatever subset of data suits you.

Did the coaches also have Cripps as the best player on the ground on 12 separate occasions? No? I didn't think so.

If the players had Cripps as the best player on the ground on 12 separate occasions, I suggest he would have also bolted in the Players MVP.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So Collingwood still with the better list despite some obvious bias selections.

What is Pittonet even doing in this list, let alone at 34 ahead of clear best 22 Collingwood players?

Pendlebury the 19th player picked from the two teams? Yeah, you don't understand the importance of leadership.

Reckon you would swap any player on your list outside of your top 6 for Bobby Hill.

Pretty sad that they're projecting Pittonet to be in their best 22 so obvious he isn't but anyway

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Not "breaking" anyone. They probably leave with the same stuff he trots out over and over and over again.
You sit in a room for long enough listening to a broken record, going round and round, either you leave the room or it drives you mad.

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Only thing he is breaking is his own brain. The amount of time that must be spent not only posting about Carlton here, but creating spreadsheets, doing anaylses, then another analysis to fix the previous one that didn’t suit his agenda, talking to people about it in the real world, reading articles..

It’s creepy.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So Collingwood still with the better list despite some obvious bias selections.

What is Pittonet even doing in this list, let alone at 34 ahead of clear best 22 Collingwood players?

Pendlebury the 19th player picked from the two teams? Yeah, you don't understand the importance of leadership.

Reckon you would swap any player on your list outside of your top 6 for Bobby Hill.

Pittonet is a fine player, just pushed out by a generational talent in TDK by the end of the year. He's certainly better than spuds like McCreery and Lipsinki.

Pendlebury's leadership is relevant in a hypothetical combined 44? I think it's you who doesn't understand.

Hill would be a lot higher but he's a show pony who does many things well, but often ends up butchering his opportunities trying to do too much or just being a prima donna.

 

[Fadge]

Pendlebury's leadership is relevant in a hypothetical combined 44? I think it's you who doesn't understand.

When I posted my list, I clearly stated it was the order in which I'd pick them going into the 2025 season.

The fact you responded with your own list, without any commentary around it, would suggest it was your view for the same purpose.

So yes, leadership IS important.

 

[Fadge]

Hill would be a lot higher but he's a show pony who does many things well, but often ends up butchering his opportunities trying to do too much or just being a prima donna.

Good thing he saves his best performances for the most important games.

You might want to check out his 2023 finals series if you think he's a butchering prima donna...

 

[Bale Dup]

Only thing he is breaking is his own brain. The amount of time that must be spent not only posting about Carlton here, but creating spreadsheets, doing anaylses, then another analysis to fix the previous one that didn’t suit his agenda, talking to people about it in the real world, reading articles..

It’s creepy.

Kinda is isn't it. Almost desperate. Bit like his club

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[WalshistheGOAT]

When I posted my list, I clearly stated it was the order in which I'd pick them going into the 2025 season.

The fact you responded with your own list, without any commentary around it, would suggest it was your view for the same purpose.

So yes, leadership IS important.

So why isn't Cripps above Nicky then? Leadership and all...

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So why isn't Cripps above Nicky then? Leadership and all...

Cripps has not shown much leadership in finals, unlike Daics

 

[Worm4]

Pretty sad that they're projecting Pittonet to be in their best 22 so obvious he isn't but anyway

He is not. He is ranked around 70th out of the 2 sides, just in front of fantasia

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Cripps has not shown much leadership in finals, unlike Daics

2 finals wins vs 3.

Cripps was captain for both that doubles his tally by my analysis.

Next.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Fadge is like the primary school kid that says ‘yeah but I can do a somersault’ to end the argument.

It is meaningful though if the other kids cannot do a somersault

Or win a flag in modern memory

 

[Worm4]

So why isn't Cripps above Nicky then? Leadership and all...

Cripps hasn't won a fadgelow

 

[Fadge]

2 finals wins vs 3.

Cripps was captain for both that doubles his tally by my analysis.

Next.

Cripps averaging 1 coaches vote per final played across his career.

If he wants to be regarded as the best player in the comp, he's got to be better than that.